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On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:36:41 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote:
On 18/06/06, joan WHITTAKER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do I take it that once Don Redm
On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:36:41 +0200, Chris Bransden wrote:
On 18/06/06, joan WHITTAKER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do I take it that once Don Redman has spoken that is it - subject
closed -
decision made?
no :) no offence intended toward don, but unless i'm mistaken, we're
all equal in style
On 6/19/06, Nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:26:26AM +0100, Chris Bransden wrote:
> hence i think net releases should have a seperate 'country' - [net
> release]/[download]/whatever.
So what would worldwide then cover?
Good point! Are there any real "worldwide" physi
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 11:26:26AM +0100, Chris Bransden wrote:
> hence i think net releases should have a seperate 'country' - [net
> release]/[download]/whatever.
So what would worldwide then cover?
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On 6/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 19/06/06, Bogdan Butnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > internet releases have no intent behind their distribution, so IMO
> > they should have a seperate 'country' ([net release] or s
On 19/06/06, Bogdan Butnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> internet releases have no intent behind their distribution, so IMO
> they should have a seperate 'country' ([net release] or similar) to
> reflect this. it's not true that band x release
On 6/19/06, Chris Bransden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
internet releases have no intent behind their distribution, so IMO
they should have a seperate 'country' ([net release] or similar) to
reflect this. it's not true that band x released internet album Y in
antartica in 2005, or whatever. by sayi
Chris Bransden wrote:
On 17/06/06, ZaphodBeeblebrox formerly known as mo
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
net release == wordwide
this is obvious to me
why? I'll tell you, as I live in norway, I cannot get any release
that is *only* released in the US, unless I get someone to send that
to me.
yes
On 18/06/06, joan WHITTAKER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Do I take it that once Don Redman has spoken that is it - subject closed -
decision made?
no :) no offence intended toward don, but unless i'm mistaken, we're
all equal in style discussions, unless there is no consensus, in which
case Rob K
On 17/06/06, ZaphodBeeblebrox formerly known as mo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
net release == wordwide
this is obvious to me
why? I'll tell you, as I live in norway, I cannot get any release that is
*only* released in the US, unless I get someone to send that to me.
yes you can - amazon.com and
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On 6/19/06, joan WHITTAKER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Pardon me asking, but what have a "bunch of vinyls" got to do with net
relea
ffect to ALL
releases - not only Net releases?
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
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Pardon me asking, but what have a "bunch of vinyls" got to do with net
releases.
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ave not got the physical release, so,
it is not therefore available to anyone.
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> On 6/18/06, Schi
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You cannot download this track if you have not got the physical release, so,
it is not therefore available to anyone.
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On 6/18/06, Schika <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On 6/18/06, joan WHITTAKER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Excuse me having to ask, but how do we now get this put into the guidelines?
OK our Country field is for the distribution area. This is very clear
for internet releases or releases are known tha
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> On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:24:11 +0200, Schika wrote:
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>>> If I'm wrong, can we try to make a clear statement regarding "what is
>>> t
On 6/18/06, joan WHITTAKER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Excuse me having to ask, but how do we now get this put into the guidelines?
OK our Country field is for the distribution area. This is very clear
for internet releases or releases are known that they are only
available in an defined area -
Excuse me having to ask, but how do we now get this put into the guidelines?
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On Sun,
Do I take it that once Don Redman has spoken that is it - subject closed -
decision made?
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YIPPEE
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No clue, I just got really annoyed when I downloaded a video from their
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:13:31 +0200, joan WHITTAKER wrote:
Excuse me for being somewhat obtuse, but does this then mean that if an
album, track or whatever is put out on the INTER
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:13:31 +0200, joan WHITTAKER wrote:
Excuse me for being somewhat obtuse, but does this then mean that if an
album, track or whatever is put out on the INTERNET, then at that time
it becomes to all intents and purposes a "worldwide release"
Unless it is not annotated wi
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iTunes are very territorial
Trade protectionism?
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iTunes are very territorial
Trade protectionism?
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I did find it interesting w
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Surely the fact that all users cannot access the
http://www.mastik.org/?page=releases site is not the fault
person trying to connect.
By the way, I had no problem connecting from the UK.
Joan
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On 6/18/
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On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:24:11 +0200, Schika wrote:
If I'm wrong, can we try to make a clear statement regarding "what is
the 'release country' f
On Sun, 18 Jun 2006 18:24:11 +0200, Schika wrote:
If I'm wrong, can we try to make a clear statement regarding "what is
the 'release country' field for?"
yes please.
OK, here is a clear statement:
From the Days of Tarragon up to now a release area did always mean the
_market_ on which tha
On 6/18/06, Bogdan Butnaru wrote:
> I'd say (supposing the above are correct) that applying the same rules
> to net releases would mean they are "worldwide" releases almost every
> time. I have seen things released on the net that are NOT available
> everywhere: for example, I've seen some things
On 6/18/06, Bogdan Butnaru <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I'd say (supposing the above are correct) that applying the same rules
to net releases would mean they are "worldwide" releases almost every
time. I have seen things released on the net that are NOT available
everywhere: for example, I've see
very true nikki - I cannot buy songs from iTunes USA and I have tried.
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On Sun, Jun 18, 2006
On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 01:15:48PM +0100, joan WHITTAKER wrote:
> But in my very first post I specifically excluded iTunes, Napster and
> other such from this debate, because most if not all of their titles are
> of albums commercially available as CD's and I wanted this debate to
> concentrate on
ssage -
From: "Beth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Sunday, June 18, 2006 11:50 AM
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Itunes does have different stores. I don't know if that "matters". It's
not
so
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I just read through this entire thread, and I still couldn't figure
out something: why is the basic reason we have a release country?
I thought the reason was simply that to document "initial
availability" (which is why we don&#x
I just read through this entire thread, and I still couldn't figure
out something: why is the basic reason we have a release country?
I thought the reason was simply that to document "initial
availability" (which is why we don't record import dates)—of course,
any record can be bought by anyone,
y, June 18, 2006 1:38 AM
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On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 09:33:02AM +0200, Schika wrote:
> And sorry that I directly copied the text without cutting out the - in
> our discussion irrelevant part 'that has "Made in Austria&q
On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 09:33:02AM +0200, Schika wrote:
> And sorry that I directly copied the text without cutting out the - in
> our discussion irrelevant part 'that has "Made in Austria" printed on
> it, ' - so that everyone could read:
> 'The label itself will typically be more relevant. eg, a
On 6/18/06, Nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 08:46:06AM +0200, Schika wrote:
> > point of distribution.
> in which it was produced
Production and distibution are not the same thing.
I guess we all know that.
And sorry that I directly copied the text without cutting ou
On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 08:46:06AM +0200, Schika wrote:
> > point of distribution.
> in which it was produced
Production and distibution are not the same thing.
> The label itself will typically be more relevant. eg, a release on "Foo
> Records UK" that has "Made in Austria" printed on it, will
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I didn't say "Made in" I said distributed in. Therefore you're losing all
relevance where the release was distributed in favor of where the label
originated?
We seem to have read that page totally diffe
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On 6/17/06, Beth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Currently we handle "on media" releases as to the point of distribution.
It
> was rele
On 6/17/06, Beth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Currently we handle "on media" releases as to the point of distribution. It
was released in the "US" "UK" and "Germany" "Japan" Speaking of the markets
that these releases were distributed in.
Do we all realy handle this way?
The following is taken fr
net release == wordwide
this is obvious to me
why? I'll tell you, as I live in norway, I cannot get any release that is
*only* released in the US, unless I get someone to send that to me.
so by your definition this release should not be available to me, but is it
not? I can get it fine. so ergo,
;m sure there are a lot of others I could find.. but I don't see a reason
to dig deeper.
Nyght aka Beth
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Schika wrote:
Let me repeat that what you say, maybe I understand something wrong:
Internet release == [Worldwide]
What the artist / label / distributors (the copyright owners of the
release) say doesn't matter.
We should prefer using [Worldwide] instead of [Unknown Country] if
release area / co
On 6/17/06, Day Dreamer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I too agree with the view that an internet only release is a worldwide
release, because... well because an internet only release IS a worldwide
release, even regardless of what a label might say or where it is located.
Let me repeat that what
tyle
discussion
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Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 05:38:27 -0600
For the record, I support Nikki and Joan's view here. (big surprise huh? :)
)
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For the record, I support Nikki and Joan's view here. (big surprise huh? :)
)
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On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 03:30:00AM +0200, Schika wrote:
If a label is known, then the country where it's based (if it's known).
If a label is known but not where it's based
On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 03:30:00AM +0200, Schika wrote:
> If a label is known, then the country where it's based (if it's known).
> If a label is known but not where it's based - or nothing at all is
> currently known -> "Unknown Country".
I don't agree with that and would only support it if we de
On 6/17/06, Beth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
So virtually it appears as if you feel [worldwide] should be deleted
altogether? Or only used when the band says "Everywhere else"? (which I've
seen one band that says that.
No, I'm against a deletion of [Worldwide].
I say that [Worldwide] should be u
Friday, June 16, 2006 7:30 PM
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On 6/17/06, Nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 02:46:30AM +0200, Schika wrote:
> > Whatever the artist/label/distributor of the release says should be
used.
On 6/17/06, Nikki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 02:46:30AM +0200, Schika wrote:
> Whatever the artist/label/distributor of the release says should be used.
> If they state it should be "Germany", "Europe" or "Worldwide" then we
> have to respect that. They are the owners of t
On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 02:46:30AM +0200, Schika wrote:
> Whatever the artist/label/distributor of the release says should be used.
> If they state it should be "Germany", "Europe" or "Worldwide" then we
> have to respect that. They are the owners of the rights and they decide
> how their data has
Whatever the artist/label/distributor of the release says should be
used. If they state it should be "Germany", "Europe" or "Worldwide"
then we have to respect that. They are the owners of the rights and
they decide how their data has to be.
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