Re: AS number inconsistencies

2002-07-08 Thread Jenn Kobi Hsu
Hank Nussbacher is rumoured to have written: * >And there are only two ASes which appear, and are not registered anywhere * >- one is intermittent, the other, AS5757, has been there since I started * >this over 3 years ago. * * So what does UUnet have to say? * Who gave the permission

Re: AS number inconsistencies

2002-07-08 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
hey... looks like this might actually get fixed! --Chris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ### ## UUNET Technologies, Inc. ## ## Manager ## ## Customer Router Security Engineering Team

Re: AS number inconsistencies

2002-07-08 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
hmm, I'm not responsible for this kind of thing but I can certainly ASK someone... this has been from the same path for this whole time? --Chris ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) ### ## UUNET Technologies, Inc. ## ## Manager

Re: AS number inconsistencies

2002-07-08 Thread Hank Nussbacher
At 02:10 PM 09-07-02 +1000, Philip Smith wrote: >And there are only two ASes which appear, and are not registered anywhere >- one is intermittent, the other, AS5757, has been there since I started >this over 3 years ago. So what does UUnet have to say? * 207.19.224.0 152.158.76.66

Re: AS number inconsistencies

2002-07-08 Thread Philip Smith
Hi Marwan, At 09:55 08/07/2002 -0400, Marwan Fayed wrote: >I am a CS PhD student trying to track ASes (for reasons I'm happy to >discuss offline). There is a grave inconsistency I have come across and >can't explain. Simply, there seems to be many AS numbers in the >non-private range that come

Re: Readiness for IPV6

2002-07-08 Thread Martin Hannigan
At 08:59 PM 7/8/2002 -0500, Alif The Terrible wrote: >On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Rizzo Frank wrote: > > > Good to hear, Jerry. Have you forged any checks in the past, or are the > > guys on usenet full of it? > >If you're so new as to listen to everything you hear on Usenet, then you >deserve what yo

Re: Readiness for IPV6

2002-07-08 Thread Alif The Terrible
On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Rizzo Frank wrote: > Good to hear, Jerry. Have you forged any checks in the past, or are the > guys on usenet full of it? If you're so new as to listen to everything you hear on Usenet, then you deserve what you get - GIGO. Got serious questions? Google is your friend.

Re: Readiness for IPV6

2002-07-08 Thread Rizzo Frank
Alif The Terrible wrote: > Afraid not. How about you? Good to hear, Jerry. Have you forged any checks in the past, or are the guys on usenet full of it? Frank Rizzo

Re: Readiness for IPV6

2002-07-08 Thread Joe St Sauver
And of course in the American higher education space, IPv6 traffic handling was one of the factors that motivated the selection of Juniper's T640's for the next generation of the Abilene/Internet2 backbone (see: http://archives.internet2.edu/guest/archives/I2-NEWS/log200204/msg3.html). Relat

Re: Readiness for IPV6

2002-07-08 Thread Alif The Terrible
On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Rizzo Frank wrote: > "Phil Rosenthal" wrote: > > As far as I can tell, neither Foundry Bigiron, nor Cisco 65xx support > IPV6 > > As far as I can tell, despite many feature requests to the contrary, > Foundry barely supports IPV4. Your local Foundry sales ofice can offer

Re: QoS/CoS in the real world?

2002-07-08 Thread Nathan Stratton
On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: > > Hi all, > I've been looking through the various qos/cos options available, my particular > area was in how IP (MPLS perhaps) compares and can be a substitute for ATM. > > Well, theres lots of talk and hype out there, from simple IP queuing eg c

Re: Readiness for IPV6

2002-07-08 Thread Rizzo Frank
"Phil Rosenthal" wrote: > As far as I can tell, neither Foundry Bigiron, nor Cisco 65xx support IPV6 As far as I can tell, despite many feature requests to the contrary, Foundry barely supports IPV4. Your local Foundry sales ofice can offer you a more percise time-line on Foundry's planned s

Re: Readiness for IPV6

2002-07-08 Thread Jun-ichiro itojun Hagino
>*If* 2004/2005 is a realistic expectation for a full rollout, then >*maybe*. The question becomes, is this realistic? I just don't think so. > >Judging IP6's current status strictly in light of how far along the large to >mid sized providers are, I'd be surprised if a full scale rollout was

RE: Readiness for IPV6

2002-07-08 Thread Alif The Terrible
On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Phil Rosenthal wrote: > Yes, I don't think we need it 'right now'. My concern is that at this > point many companies are still buying routers that as of today have no > support for IPv6. Given that a BigIron/65xx is mostly hardware > forwarding, I speculate that they wont b

RE: Readiness for IPV6

2002-07-08 Thread Phil Rosenthal
-Original Message- From: Alif The Terrible [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Phil Rosenthal wrote: > As far as I can tell, neither Foundry Bigiron, nor Cisco 65xx support > IPV6 (I could be wrong). > > While they probably aren't the most popular routers, they are very >

Re: Readiness for IPV6

2002-07-08 Thread Alif The Terrible
On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Phil Rosenthal wrote: > As far as I can tell, neither Foundry Bigiron, nor Cisco 65xx support > IPV6 (I could be wrong). > > While they probably aren't the most popular routers, they are very > popular, and im sure plenty of cisco's smaller routers don't support it > either

Readiness for IPV6

2002-07-08 Thread Phil Rosenthal
As far as I can tell, neither Foundry Bigiron, nor Cisco 65xx support IPV6 (I could be wrong). While they probably aren't the most popular routers, they are very popular, and im sure plenty of cisco's smaller routers don't support it either. How ready is the 'net to transit to IPV6 in the futur

RE: Bogus bogon?

2002-07-08 Thread Tony Hain
Tony Tauber wrote: > On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Rob Thomas wrote: > > > Hi, John. > > > > > 192.88.99.0/24 which is the 6to4 anycast network. Do we > really want > > > to be filtering that prefix? > > > > Good question. I'm re-reading RFC 3068 now, and the RFC appears to > > allow for the advertis

QoS/CoS in the real world?

2002-07-08 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
Hi all, I've been looking through the various qos/cos options available, my particular area was in how IP (MPLS perhaps) compares and can be a substitute for ATM. Well, theres lots of talk and hype out there, from simple IP queuing eg cisco priority queuing, rsvp, diffserv, mpls traffic enginee

Prefix delta

2002-07-08 Thread Rob Thomas
Hi, NANOGers. I received a suggestion to graph the changes in the number of prefixes in the Internet routing table. I have put together a simple page that provides this data, updated every five minutes. http://www.cymru.com/BGP/deltapref.html This is a very simple text page. It will be repla

Re: Bogus bogon?

2002-07-08 Thread Tony Tauber
On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Rob Thomas wrote: > Hi, John. > > > 192.88.99.0/24 which is the 6to4 anycast network. Do we really > > want to be filtering that prefix? > > Good question. I'm re-reading RFC 3068 now, and the RFC appears to > allow for the advertisement of this prefix into the global table

Re: Bogus bogon?

2002-07-08 Thread Rob Thomas
Hi, John. ] 192.88.99.0/24 which is the 6to4 anycast network. Do we really want to be ] filtering that prefix? Good question. I'm re-reading RFC 3068 now, and the RFC appears to allow for the advertisement of this prefix into the global table. I'm wondering if this is wise, however. It seems

Re: AS number inconsistencies

2002-07-08 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, John Todd wrote: > - Do these PASes announce "new" routes, or do they announce routes > that already exist in the global tables via some other legitimate AS? In addition to John's excellent suggestions, I'd consider the possibility that you're seeing configurati

Re: WorldComm Fiber Cut????

2002-07-08 Thread Pawlukiewicz Jane
This is too funny. I was referring to the two links at the top, namely: AboveNet NOC Announcement and Current Network Issues These take you to pages where mfn posts any problems they think they are having with their network. which is just like all the other sites Sean was posting about. The

Re: WorldComm Fiber Cut????

2002-07-08 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 06:22:00AM -1000, Internet Guy wrote: > > If you go to the MFN homepage & click on the graphs listed below, then you > might see that possibly the data being displayed is both inaccurate, as > well as misleading. If you mean inaccurate as in "not updated in years" or "

Re: WorldComm Fiber Cut????

2002-07-08 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 06:22:00AM -1000, Internet Guy wrote: > One would also wonder, that if this data collection system is used by MFN > to generate bills for customers of MFN who are charged by the Megabyte, > what these customers bills look like & HOW accurate these bills really > are...

Re: WorldComm Fiber Cut????

2002-07-08 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 06:22:00AM -1000, Internet Guy wrote: > Each one of these graphs shows abnormalities in the flow of internet data, > such as "pits", spikes, square wave function graphs, clipping on some > waveforms, etc. You have drawn an incorrect conclusion. Whi

RE: WorldComm Fiber Cut????

2002-07-08 Thread James Smith
Title: RE: WorldComm Fiber Cut Ah, but she didn't say she believed it. Just said where the data was... Do we really need to verify what it shows? At best, it shows that they have spotty reporting. At worst, it shows rather severe reliability problems. Take your pick... James H. Smith I

Re: WorldComm Fiber Cut????

2002-07-08 Thread Internet Guy
HHHMMM... Very interesting. Someone who believes what a carrier really tells them. If you go to the MFN homepage & click on the graphs listed below, then you might see that possibly the data being displayed is both inaccurate, as well as misleading. Go to SJC OC3 Los Angeles, to OC192 SJC3

Re: rewars/benefit bogon filters

2002-07-08 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Mon, Jul 08, 2002 at 07:13:51AM -0500, jnelson wrote: > Looking for some statisitcs from some dataminers out there > > Bogon lists? How effective are they? DDoS scripts are abundant to those who > seek them. Am I going to reep any rewards by taxing my edge routers an extra > 25 lines of A

RE: Internet vulnerabilities

2002-07-08 Thread Daniel Golding
RFC1546. Really, anycast is a bad name for it. "nearcast" or "closecast" might be better. Anycast just has a nice ring... - Daniel Golding > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of > Marshall Eubanks > Sent: Friday, July 05, 2002 7:44 AM > To

Re: rewars/benefit bogon filters

2002-07-08 Thread David Luyer
jnelson wrote: > Bogon lists? How effective are they? DDoS scripts are abundant to > those who seek them. Am I going to reep any rewards by taxing my > edge routers an extra 25 lines of ACL? If you're using 'access-list compiled', you're not adding any load whatsoever, since there should be an

Re: WorldComm Fiber Cut????

2002-07-08 Thread Pawlukiewicz Jane
MFNs status page is: http://www.mfn.com/network/ip_networkstatus.shtm#sjc Jane Sean Donelan wrote: > > On Sun, 7 Jul 2002, Gerardo A. Gregory wrote: > > Can someone from WorldComm please verify a fiber cut that happened today at > > around 11:30 am (Central). I have bveen informed that a fib

Re: Bogus bogon?

2002-07-08 Thread Rob Thomas
Hi, David. ] Something looks wrong here: EEEK! Looks? IS! A thousand apologies to the folks at Sun. This should be RFC 2544 and 198.18.0.0/15. Both have been fixed now. David, thanks for pointing this out. You've won a spot in the coveted CREDITS section. :) ] Rob? An experiment in soc

Bogus bogon?

2002-07-08 Thread David Luyer
Something looks wrong here: ; host ns.eu.sun.com ns.eu.sun.com A 192.18.1.3 ; wget -q -O- http://www.cymru.com/Documents/bogon-dd.html | grep '192.18' 192.18.0.0 255.254.0.0 192.18.0.0 255.254.0.0 192.18.0.0 0.1.255.255 192.18.0.0 0.1.255.255 The bogon list references rfc2455 as

Re: AS number inconsistencies

2002-07-08 Thread John Todd
More data would be useful to answer this question. I have not done any research to answer these questions myself, but here are some additional points which may further clarify your own search: - Do these "Premature ASes" announce the same routes before and after they are registered? - Do the

Re: AS number inconsistencies

2002-07-08 Thread Streiner, Justin
On Mon, 8 Jul 2002, Marwan Fayed wrote: > I am a CS PhD student trying to track ASes (for reasons I'm happy to > discuss offline). There is a grave inconsistency I have come across and > can't explain. Simply, there seems to be many AS numbers in the > non-private range that come into use at som

AS number inconsistencies

2002-07-08 Thread Marwan Fayed
Hi All, This is my first post to this list so please forgive me if it's in any way inappropriate, and as I know everyone has work to do, I'll try to be brief. I am a CS PhD student trying to track ASes (for reasons I'm happy to discuss offline). There is a grave inconsistency I have come across

rewars/benefit bogon filters

2002-07-08 Thread jnelson
Looking for some statisitcs from some dataminers out there   Bogon lists? How effective are they? DDoS scripts are abundant to those who seek them. Am I going to reep any rewards by taxing my edge routers an extra 25 lines of ACL? Who out there has some stats I can look at?   And by post

Assistance with a Customer Network Staffing Support Levels

2002-07-08 Thread Ryan Clark
Good Evening: I'm looking for any kind of industry benchmark data to help me justify IT head count. We're also looking for the same kind of data that you may uses in order to justify IT head count. Things like, How many engineers per device? At what point should the set up internal help de