Re: RIPE "Golden Networks" Document ID - 229/210/178

2004-09-04 Thread David Barak
--- Petri Helenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Pay me to treat your prefixes more nicely? 1/2 :-) > Isn't that the difference between transit and peering? Does anyone dampen people who are paying them? = David Barak -fully RFC 1925 compliant-

Re: RIPE "Golden Networks" Document ID - 229/210/178

2004-09-04 Thread Robert E . Seastrom
Bill Woodcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > What about the ccTLD prefixes? There are a lot more of them. And the > gTLDs? And exchange points? And Microsoft Update servers? Where do you > stop? If you simply don't dampen (hooray for adequate CPUs), then you are not only honoring the "golde

Re: RIPE "Golden Networks" Document ID - 229/210/178

2004-09-04 Thread Petri Helenius
Bill Woodcock wrote: On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > the logic seems rather irrefutable: > - as a rule, shorter prefixes are more important and/or more stable > than long ones > - so we dampen long prefixes more aggressively > - the root DNS servers tend to liv

Re: RIPE "Golden Networks" Document ID - 229/210/178

2004-09-04 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote: > the logic seems rather irrefutable: > - as a rule, shorter prefixes are more important and/or more stable > than long ones > - so we dampen long prefixes more aggressively > - the root DNS servers tend to live in long pref

Re: RIPE "Golden Networks" Document ID - 229/210/178

2004-09-04 Thread Bill Woodcock
On Sat, 4 Sep 2004, Alex Bligh wrote: > if in a heavily plural anycast domain prefix route changes are more > common than "normal" routes (albeit without - dampening aside - > affecting reachability), does this mean route dampening > disproportionately harms such routes? Thi

Re: RIPE "Golden Networks" Document ID - 229/210/178

2004-09-04 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 02 September 2004 16:09 -0700 John Bender <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: This would not be as problematic if dampening could be applied to a path rather than a prefix, since an alternate could then be selected. But since this would require modifications to core aspects of BGP (and additional m

Re: RIPE "Golden Networks" Document ID - 229/210/178

2004-09-04 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Rodney Joffe wrote: > On Sep 3, 2004, at 10:46 AM, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: > > >> Given Network A, which has "golden network" content behind it as described > >> by the RIPE paper (root and tld data), if the network has some combination > >> of events that result in all of t

Re: RIPE "Golden Networks" Document ID - 229/210/178

2004-09-04 Thread Rodney Joffe
Roland Perry wrote: Did you mean "parts of RIPE-NCC"? Sorry to be so pedantic, but this thread started off with a mild diversion caused by confusion between RIPE and RIPE-NCC. You're right - it is a little confusing. According to their joined "about" pages, RIPE-NCC provides the administrative s

RE: Best Practices for Enterprise networks

2004-09-04 Thread Måns Nilsson
--On söndag 29 augusti 2004 17.42 -0700 Michel Py <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >>> Tracy Smith wrote: >>> Specifically, to NAT or not to NAT? > > This is not much of an issue anymore. If you receive IP addresses from > your ISP, not natting would be foolish. No. Renumbering is easy and fun, n

Re: RIPE "Golden Networks" Document ID - 229/210/178

2004-09-04 Thread Roland Perry
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Rodney Joffe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes For those who care, based on responses and some analysis, it appears that very few networks do follow the ripe-229 recommendations regarding "golden networks", including, oddly enough, parts of RIPE itself. Did you mean "par