Re: NANOG Changes

2005-02-18 Thread Jim Popovitch
On Sat, 2005-02-19 at 01:25 +, Paul Vixie wrote: > I'd like these moderators to stand down from any elected position > for a period of at least a year from the formation of the new > permanent governance structure. Paul makes very good solid points. One thing that I would add, having expe

Re: NANOG Changes

2005-02-18 Thread Simon Lyall
On Sat, 19 Feb 2005, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: > Merit has setup the nanog-futures list and made it public and open from the > outset.. that is the forum to take this discussion to but focus on what > you want not whats past or interim. > Okay I just double checked the archive before saying this b

RE: NANOG Changes

2005-02-18 Thread Michel Py
> Paul Vixie wrote: > I am uncomfortable having folks from the nanog-reform > community accepting responsibility for provisional > moderation (a form of interim governance), So am I. However, I will point out that these individuals have acted with precipitation (which is the correct term to use w

RE: NANOG Changes

2005-02-18 Thread Michel Py
> William Allen Simpson wrote: > And I especially like Paul's point that those serving as the > moderators be disqualified from serving in another position > for at least a year. Ditto. Michel.

Re: NANOG Changes

2005-02-18 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005, William Allen Simpson wrote: > Paul Vixie wrote: > > >... I just wish that all the political I's would get dotted and all the > >political T's would get crossed. Perception isn't *actually* reality, but in > >politics (which this is) the difference between perception and re

Re: Why do so few mail providers support Port 587?

2005-02-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005, Owen DeLong wrote: > Chances are that the Sendmail team doesn't share your worm problems as most > of them are not likely running unpatched windows boxes. You don't have to run Windowz systems to get hit by their blowback. And that's the problem, in a nutshell -- -- T

Re: NANOG Changes

2005-02-18 Thread William Allen Simpson
Paul Vixie wrote: ... I just wish that all the political I's would get dotted and all the political T's would get crossed. Perception isn't *actually* reality, but in politics (which this is) the difference between perception and reality is just not worth discussing. Speaking as someone with mo

Re: NANOG Changes

2005-02-18 Thread Paul Vixie
I promised some people that I'd comment publically on the moderation change. Selecting Steve's message at random as a place to start, let me just quote: > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Gibbard) > Subject: Re: NANOG Changes > Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2005 01:04:51 -0800 (PST) > > Speaking only for myse

Weekly Routing Table Report

2005-02-18 Thread Routing Table Analysis
This is an automated weekly mailing describing the state of the Internet Routing Table as seen from APNIC's router in Japan. Daily listings are sent to [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you have any comments please contact Philip Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>. Routing Table Report 04:00 +10GMT Sat 19 Feb, 2005

Qwest wierdness..

2005-02-18 Thread Peter Kranz
Anyone running into odd problems at Qwest lately.. One of our /22’s is getting dropped whenever it hits Qwest, but unfortunately Qwest is announcing a BGP path for the /22.. so all Qwest routing for this /22 is dead.. The subnet is 204.11.104.0/22 .. if someone at Qwest can resolve or explain the

Re: Kornet/ChinaNet was Re: ChinaNet Contacts

2005-02-18 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On Fri, 18 Feb 2005 09:43:05 +, Alex Bligh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --On 18 February 2005 08:32 + Simon Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Whilst I can appreciate that Kornet may have issues with a lot of > > broadband users, but the other big Korean company seems to have it > >

Qwest to counter Verizon and bid again for MCI

2005-02-18 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
Apparently, the fat lady ain't sung yet. :-) http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32801-2005Feb17.html - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

More on Vonage "blocking"...

2005-02-18 Thread Fergie (Paul Ferguson)
SBC, Verizon Say They Didn't Block Vonage http://www.advancedippipeline.com/60401872 - ferg -- "Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson Engineering Architecture for the Internet [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED]

The Cidr Report

2005-02-18 Thread cidr-report
This report has been generated at Fri Feb 18 21:44:32 2005 AEST. The report analyses the BGP Routing Table of an AS4637 (Reach) router and generates a report on aggregation potential within the table. Check http://www.cidr-report.org/as4637 for a current version of this report. Recent Table Hist

Re: Kornet/ChinaNet was Re: ChinaNet Contacts

2005-02-18 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 18 February 2005 08:32 + Simon Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Whilst I can appreciate that Kornet may have issues with a lot of broadband users, but the other big Korean company seems to have it solved. What I see is what appear to be (using whois data!) US companies buying transit f

Kornet/ChinaNet was Re: ChinaNet Contacts

2005-02-18 Thread Simon Waters
On Thursday 17 Feb 2005 8:11 pm, Dave Crocker wrote: > > Any chance of trying to get some granularity to this? As I understand > their operation, there are enormous differences among the operations in > different provinces. 220.175 550 ChinaNet Jiangxi not wanted here se