an RFP and send it to
companies that meet your requirement. Otherwise you
risk only getting quotes from people who troll the
mailing lists, desperate for business.
--Michael Dillon
g its own power connection and some place
to sit, is causing its own problems in the household.
Stacking boxes is not straightforward because some have
air vents on top and others are not flat on top.
The TV people have not learned the lessons of
that the hi-fi component people learned back in
the 1960s.
--Michael Dillon
ome specific content so they get satellite dishes.
Any Internet TV service has a limited market because
it competes head-on with free-to-air and satellite
services. And it is difficult to plug Internet TV into
your existing TV setup.
--Michael Dillon
elivery, and how much was due to the brand-new concept
of blogging?
--Michael Dillon
panish.
--Michael Dillon
ceiver that
with a hard disk that allows pausing live TV and
scheduling recording from the electronic program
guide which is part of the broadcast stream.
Given that the broadcast model for streaming content
is so successful, why would you want to use the
Internet for it? What is the benefit?
--M
haps we should not even try to use the Internet
for mass audience events. Is there something wrong with
the current broadcast model? Did TV replace radio? Did
radio replace newspapers?
--Michael Dillon
SE market data feeds, but entertainment video.
The use-cases for entertainment mean that timing is
of little importance. More important are things like
consistency and control.
--Michael Dillon
done http download and let it be cached by existing
> appliances.
The difference with P2P is that caching is built-in to
the model, therefore 100% of users participate in
caching. With HTTP, caches are far from universal,
especially to non-business users.
--Michael Dillon
.
Considering that this is supposed to be a technically
oriented list, I am shocked at the level of ignorance
of networking technology displayed here.
Have folks never heard of content-delivery networks,
Akamai, P2P, BitTorrent, EMule?
--Michael Dillon
do not work in cooperation with ISPs
and therefore the P2P software is not as ISP-friendly as
it could be. ISPs could change this by contacting P2P
developers. One group that is experimenting with better
algorithms is http://bittyrant.cs.washington.edu/
--Michael Dillon
, establish Commerce, and to do all other Acts and
Things which Independent States may of right do.
--Michael Dillon
bang for the buck
than most other people's.
Paul Vixie's colo registry may be of help if you need
to find a place to stick your own mail server
http://www.vix.com/personalcolo/
--Michael Dillon
egistered IP
addresses. They are still needed to avoid addressing
conflicts in the portion of the Internet which is
not behind the gateway.
--Michael Dillon
nd a potential market for some consultancy
services. Rather than whining on NANOG, it would be
more productive to find a salesperson to help you
get your foot in the door and fix the problems.
--Michael Dillon
r education and the sharing
of knowledge for the Internet operations community.
--Michael Dillon
elevant to them.
Not that I'm complaining about the message quoted above.
It is a great example of the useful information that one
can find in this mailing list. I wish there were more
messages like this one, i.e. people sharing info rather
than complaints and pleas for help.
--Michael Dillon
if you want some general tips...
--Michael Dillon
like RFC 1918 address ranges and other non-RIR ranges.
One wonders whether it might not be more effective in the
long run to sue ICANN/IANA rather than suing completewhois.com.
--Michael Dillon
P.S. As any lawyer will tell you, it is a good idea to make
some attempt at solving your issue outside
on I would make the rounds of
all vendors in Chicago, ask for prices and latency data,
then check their latency numbers using various
looking-glass sites. If a vendor gives out numbers that
vary significantly from what you can measure then I
would want a detailed explanation of why that is.
--Michael Dillon
s faster than the speed of light in fibre.
BTW, the speed of light in fibre is roughly equal to
the speed of electrons in copper and roughly equal to
two-thirds the speed of light in a vacuum. You just
can't move information faster than about 200,000 km/hr.
--Michael Dillon
interconnectivity
in most regions of the globe, it is hardly surprising that lots
of ASNs do not get advertised globally.
The trend you see is likely cause by rich local interconnectivity
becoming the norm rather than a few circuits from the capital
city to some big U.S. city.
--Michael Dillon
nts doesn't have enough future potential to keep NANOG
running in the long term. Special focus meetings can help bring in new
blood.
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Michael Dillon
Capacity Management, 66 Prescot St., London, E1 8HG, UK
Mobile: +44 7900 823 672Intern
" product with no SSL
capability at one price point and a "secure web
hosting" product with SSL at another pricepoint.
What is the point in leaving things vague?
And if you look at this template
http://www.arin.net/registration/templates/net-isp.txt
updated in September, it no longer mentions web
hosting.
--Michael Dillon
Some people send detailed network diagrams, purchase
orders for routers/switches/circuits, sales history
data with projected trends, customer lists, etc.
If you need specific details, just ask your RIR.
--Michael Dillon
Internet? This is all
about identifying address ranges who source various kinds
of traffic that some network operators do not wish to
transit their networks. Every network operator has an AUP
for their own customers and peers. This merely extends that
to 3rd parties who wish to transit the network.
--Michael Dillon
network
owned by spammers.
I am arguing that it is better to start with a database
that allows several attributes, both negative and positive,
to be associated with address ranges. Then build a feed
from that, in fact, allow the user to specify which attributes
they want in their feed. One size fits all just doesn't work.
--Michael Dillon
static.
Of course, on some hardware ACLs have a significant CPU
impact, but that is less of a factor than it used to be.
--Michael Dillon
ty to general use workstations. This network
traffic would normally be hidden inside some kind of
VPN on the same infrastructure as other corporate
traffic.
So to answer your question, first look for all the ways
that a misconfiguration could allow routing information
to leak out of some flavor of VPN.
--Michael Dillon
then it starts to look interesting.
Some networks might like to filter based on several
attributes, others will just filter those with the
DOS-SOURCE attribute.
Obviously, it would require lots of cooperation for
some of these such as UNASSIGNED, but perhaps the Internet
needs to move towards more cooperation between network
operators.
--Michael Dillon
eneral
mailing list like NANOG.
My question is, did you actually go through all the above
BEFORE posting to NANOG?
--Michael Dillon
botnets because they are DDoS enablers,
shouldn't we discourage other DDoS enablers like SPF?
--Michael Dillon
avoid ICMP filtering or low
precedence, then TCP traceroute will help.
--Michael Dillon
> How is this attack avoided?
Sounds like the attack is inherent in SPF. In that case,
avoiding it is simple. Discourage the use of SPF, perhaps
by putting any SPF using domain into a blacklist.
Eventually, people will stop using SPF and the attack
vector goes away.
--Michael Dillon
ct fallout which is harder to measure such as
loss of goodwill, missed opportunities, etc.
--Michael Dillon
fairly routine. Cross the bridge to Canada and take
the QEW all the way to Toronto.
http://www.buffaloairport.com/
You could do the same fly-drive via Detroit but there is
a lot more driving.
--Michael Dillon
P.S. Now that you have your shiny new passports, don't
just stop at Canada. There&
dit-card sized plastic but they would never "get lost".
Perhaps what we have here is another "failure of imagination"
like the one cited in the 9/11 report.
--Michael Dillon
he two parties receives a net benefit
of up to 34.5 cents.
If a broadband provider offers customers
a free gift such as a hat, does this make them
into a hat retailer for tax purposes?
--Michael Dillon
ms. The crux of this issue is the
actual measurement of power transmitted which will turn
out to be very small.
--Michael Dillon
our tool was written by someone
who left the company 7 years ago then you might want to
do such checking by simply testing it with large as numbers,
not by inspecting the code. The dot notation requires that
somebody goes in and updates/fixes all these old tools.
--Michael Dillon
cause lots of applications expect this
notation. So why on earth are we changing AS number notation
today?
--Michael Dillon
> Could someone responsible for the armed forces information service
> please contact me off list. Thanks.
Which AS are you refering to?
Why didn't you mention the AS in your posting to the list?
--Michael Dillon
there is
nobody competent available to be contacted.
You don't really know that it is a state of Illinois
server. All you can tell from network diagnostic
tools is that the traffic appears to originate
from ISP X who provides Internet access to the
state of Illinois. Make them responsible for
thei
> The non-announcers, because they're also breaking PMTUD.
If you're not sure what benefits PMTUD gives,
you might want to review this page:
http://www.psc.edu/~mathis/MTU/index.html
--Michael Dillon
secret handshake and were admitted
to the inner circle. They forget that NANOG's major role
has been in educating the new people who have flooded into
the net ops community as the Internet grew and grew and grew.
--Michael Dillon
pic material can not be fixed.
I agree with you 100%. Please give us your list of *ALL*
the topics that you think are appropriate for this list.
--Michael Dillon
P.S. Note that I do not agree that anyone has yet tried
to "correct" Gadi. All I have seen is bellyaching on a
personal leve
ome of the topics that
belong on the list.
What is NANOG all about? What is relevant to network
operations? Is NANOG a narrowly focused technical list
for a small group of technical specialists? Or is it
some kind of broader industry-focused list that covers
many issues relevant to the industry?
--Michael Dillon
l [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Now that is on topic. Maybe we need more advertising
on the list to make people happy?
--Michael Dillon
hed and rehashed on this list.
--Michael Dillon
e DHS should be copying?
--Michael Dillon
w.ietf.org/html.charters/multi6-charter.html
--Michael Dillon
, why not write up a page
or two for the existing wiki?
--Michael Dillon
p posting is very useful to me. I often
see things that were never intended to be sent to me
and I often discover that the previous replies in a thread
betray the fact that the writer did not read or did not
understand the original message.
But on a mailing list, trimmed replies are superior.
--Mi
ffling, frustrating, slow, expensive, and requiring intrusive
disclosure
> just shy of an anal cavity probe.
Sounds like my very first time trying to get an IP network
functioning between an SCO Xenix server and a bunch of
DOS and Windows 3.0 workstations. Education and experience
do work wonders to solve this problem.
--Michael Dillon
tical utility,
some
> real science around this topic would be of great intellectual benefit.
As I said, a meaningless intellectual exercise...
--Michael Dillon
t all. It simply means
that the observation techniques used are not perfect.
--Michael Dillon
t; but the way things currently work it seems like if you can
> justify a block today, it's yours forever even if you stop actively
> using it.
You haven't read through ARIN's policies yet, have you?
--Michael Dillon
s in most large jewellry stores and
you have a very liquid commodity indeed.
--Michael Dillon
ddresses gain that
attribute?
--Michael Dillon
P.S. PI addresses get configured into devices just
the same as non-PI addresses. If you could sell a PI
block then you would be faced with the prospect of
renumbering all those devices. DHCP makes end-user
devices pretty easy, but devices in the NETWORK
market. There
are restrictions on posession and transport of the material.
In the end, uranium is not a commodity and is not liquid.
IP adresses are more like uranium than gold.
--Michael Dillon
;t want to play ball like the rest
of us, then you are not going to get IP addresses. That's
the simple truth. We have a level playing field and you
are asking for special privileges that other organizations
don't feel are necessary.
--Michael Dillon
prove that there was any kind of irrevocable grant.
--Michael Dillon
ing in Montreal. I was
at the Montreal meeting and Kremen never appeared
publicly there to question ARIN's actions. It make me
think that he did not make a reasonable attempt to
resolve the situation out of court.
--Michael Dillon
in the market, it's easy to put an anticometitive
> slant on that.
Routability decisions are not made by ARIN. If anyone
is unhappy with routability they should be suing those
organizations which recommend route filtering. But they
would have to prove that the route filtering is not
technically justified which will be difficult when all
the expert witnesses are on the other side.
--Michael Dillon
you had better be sure that you have the right analogy.
IP addresses are not like any of the things that you
mention. They are like phone numbers which also are
not property and also managed by a central admin
function NANPA.
--Michael Dillon
s are related to the amount of effort
required to service an organization and that is not
directly connected to the number of addresses.
--Michael Dillon
(no longer in any official ARIN capacity. Just another member)
roklaw.net/
where I note it has not yet appeared. Perhaps another
indication that this is a tempest in a teapot.
--Michael Dillon
oyed but we
can't undeploy stuff because we are too busy deploying
other stuff.
--Michael Dillon
server in order to analyze it. Theoretically,
this is something that would be enabled by the hypothetical
situation described above.
--Michael Dillon
during the update. When this was discovered, they
shifted to a backup file.
Details here for those who do read Spanish:
http://www.noticias.info/asp/aspComunicados.asp?nid=214866&src=0
--Michael Dillon
market, the only way
for ISPs to do this is to roll their own. Of course, it is
likely that eventually someone will productize this and then
you simply buy the box and plug it in. But for now, this is the
type of thing that an ISP has to set up on their own.
--Michael Dillon
the PSTN phone numbers don't work, do you have a INOC-DBA phone? If
> the INOC-DBA phone numbers don't work, do you have a PSTN phone number?
Do you have your own mirrors of TLDs that are
important to your users, i.e. .com, your .xx
country domain, etc.?
--Michael Dillon
atacenter with so many hot
bladeservers that they can't fill their racks. Then
you could ask them to give you 8U cheap at the bottom
of a rack and mount your servers vertically for
maximal airflow. ;-)
--Michael Dillon
P.S. on the other hand, if there is enough demand for
fanless server inst
Google search will lead you to dozens of fanless
servers built around a VIA EPIA mini-itx board or
one of AMD's GEODE chips.
--Michael Dillon
m with IPv4 anycasting. Several
people have built out distributed anycast networks but
the problem is that they think IPv4 anycast is a "DNS thing".
Therefore they don't sell anycast hosting services to
people like you who need it.
Of course, if you made them more aware of market
at a metropolitan level, i.e. New York
area businesses, Los Angeles area businesses. After
all, why should NY businesses plan for earthquakes
and why should LA plan for a hurricane?
--Michael Dillon
ally does work.
The history of crypto-based security is filled
with flawed implementations.
--Michael Dillon
--Michael Dillon
her it even works at all. And it's
not their fault that they don't understand. It's
the fault of a technical community that likes to
cloak its discussions in TLAs and twisted jargon.
--Michael Dillon
ly set up an
SSH server on it, you would now be able to
log in and collect additional information
about the current user.
Interesting things can happen when intelligent
devices find themselves stolen...
http://www.evanwashere.com/StolenSidekick/
--Michael Dillon
do you really think i
> should? (i asked everybody i met on site, and was universally told by
> those i asked to "stop worrying about it".)
If Merit had simply given you a "Speaker's Badge"
then all this tempestuous teapot wouldn't
have dribbled a single drop.
--Michael Dillon
ver two separate paths to
two separate data centers, you have more control
over when to switch and how quickly to switch.
--Michael Dillon
it doesn't seem to be on topic for
the NANOG list. If Renesys really doesn't like
ISC, why don't you sue him instead of whining on
this list?
--Michael Dillon
and tumble business where you need
to have a thick skin to survive. Perhaps the problem
is that the COMPLAINANTS do not have a thick enough
skin.
--Michael Dillon
nty of experience
in reducing power consumption through both hardware
and software improvements.
--Michael Dillon
any can get excellent results from
Linux routers (although I would take a serious look
at FreeBSD or OpenBSD for this). Process is as important
as hardware.
--Michael Dillon
s featured on /., so
> likely you've read it already).
Sorry, haven't seen these.
--Michael Dillon
on-TCP features still work properly
on Windows and this is a tool that you can also run
on your end. Worth a try?
--Michael Dillon
a as to when it will be back up, this situation is
completely
> out of our control. You may experience short network outages or severe
> latency."
Thanks for posting my morning smile.
:-)
--Michael Dillon
nting those analyses to NANOG meetings. This will
lead to wider understanding of what is going on and
will provide raw material for getting management support
for actions to solve the problem.
--Michael Dillon
ate forum to publish general
> stats on who the problem is getting better/worse for and possibly why
> things got better/worse.
I think few people will complain about a weekly
posting of this nature.
--Michael Dillon
gal, therefore it cannot be contracted
for.
--Michael Dillon
P.S. this is NANOG, not IRC
e there was ever a problem to begin with. That doesn't
mean that the work should stop or that network providers
should withold their support for cleaning up the
botnet problem.
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Michael Dillon
Capacity Management, 66 Prescot St., Lon
e.
You missed a line later in his message:
>Of course
>nobody except the European Central Bank is allowed listening, but -
>who cares?
Sounds like typical lunatic ravings to me.
I guess anything goes on this list now...
--Michael Dillon
on: Is NANOG an appropriate
forum to develop some best practices text that
could be incorporated into service agreements and
peering agreements by reference in the same way
that a software licence incorporates the GPL
by referring to it?
--Michael Dillon
ing that people should buzz off from
the NANOG list if they change jobs and their latest
position isn't operational enough? Are you saying that
people should not be on the NANOG list unless they
have TELEPHONY operational experience?
What is the world coming to!?
--Michael Dillon
cluding the
full text of the GPL verbatim in their software
license.
Does NANOG have a role in developing some best
practices text that could be easily imcorporated
into peering agreements and service contracts?
--Michael Dillon
better make a decision
how to apply geolocation services to your own problem.
It may work well enough for some things.
--Michael Dillon
o said marketing is not for techies?
--Michael Dillon
ll get the idea.
--Michael Dillon
usiness model of sorts.
It has been tried at least twice and failed.
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2002/05/13/realnames_goes_titsup_com/
http://www.idcommons.net
--Michael Dillon
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