On 26-aug-2005, at 2:56, Lewis Butler wrote:
I didn't say anything about population density. I said the
countries are all very very small (in terms of area) with the
exception of Canada,
The fact is it is easier for a country like South Korea or The
Netherlands to string fiber all over
On 25-aug-2005, at 23:51, John Levine wrote:
and as people have
noted, the US is unusual both in being large and spread out. Canada,
for example, has a gargantuan area, but just about everyone lives in
the 100 mile wide strip along the southern border and everyone else
lives in a few cities li
On Thu, 25 Aug 2005, Lewis Butler wrote:
And what does every country ahead of the US have in common? Tiny
populations.
And what does every country but one have in common? Very small area. The
US has states that are larger than 10 of the 11 countries ahead of use,
COMBINED.
I didn't say
On 24 Aug 2005, at 18:38 , Joe Abley wrote:
On 24-Aug-2005, at 19:16, Lewis Butler wrote:
And what does every country ahead of the US have in common? Tiny
populations.
And waht does every country but one have in common? Very small
area. The US has states taht are larger than 10 of
On Thu, Aug 25, 2005 at 09:51:37PM -, John Levine wrote:
> >> > So, of the 11 countries that the OECD thinks have greater broadband
> >> > penetration than the USA, 6 are more densely-populated than the USA
> >> > and 5 are not.
> >>
> >> I wonder how they figure population density... Is it
>> > So, of the 11 countries that the OECD thinks have greater broadband
>> > penetration than the USA, 6 are more densely-populated than the USA
>> > and 5 are not.
>>
>> I wonder how they figure population density... Is it just a matter of
>> land area divided by the number of residents, or so
>> I once spoke to a construction manager at comcast for their
>> network buildouts. With my local township, they need to have 20 homes
>> per linear mile along the route to justify a build.
>
>Given it is Comcast, it appears that they are not interested. I know that
>some companies will d
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> Subject: Re: ISP's In Uproar Over Verizon-MCI Merger
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> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Daniel Golding wrote:
>
> >
> > I suggest you take another look at these numbers. Those countries with
> > overall population densities lower than the US
On Thursday 25 Aug 2005 5:27 am, Joel Jaeggli wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Daniel Golding wrote:
> >
> > This is an issue of both distribution and density, not just density.
>
> So you're saying the US is screwed because of unique geography? Or is that
> something poltical will can overcome?
Si
On 25-aug-2005, at 3:31, Jared Mauch wrote:
I once spoke to a construction manager at comcast for their
network buildouts. With my local township, they need to have 20 homes
per linear mile along the route to justify a build.
Turns out that the US has a cable penetration of some 67%. (ht
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Daniel Golding wrote:
I suggest you take another look at these numbers. Those countries with
overall population densities lower than the US's all have something in
common - they are really cold. Iceland, Canada, Finland, Norway, Sweden.
Folks in those countries are densely
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Jared Mauch wrote:
> I once spoke to a construction manager at comcast for their
> network buildouts. With my local township, they need to have 20 homes
> per linear mile along the route to justify a build. While my street
> has 11 homes, and 3 adjacent (where my priv
> Not that this necessarily means anything, but I thought your
> sentiments above could do with some numbers.
prejudices and sentiments are immune to numbers
randy
On 24-Aug-2005, at 22:43, Dan Golding wrote:
I suggest you take another look at these numbers. Those countries with
overall population densities lower than the US's all have something in
common - they are really cold. Iceland, Canada, Finland, Norway,
Sweden.
Folks in those countries are dens
On 8/24/05 7:38 PM, "Joe Abley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On 24-Aug-2005, at 19:16, Lewis Butler wrote:
>
>> And what does every country ahead of the US have in common? Tiny
>> populations.
>>
>> And waht does every country but one have in common? Very small
>> area. The US has state
On Wed, Aug 24, 2005 at 07:15:44PM -0600, Sean Figgins wrote:
>
> On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Joe Abley wrote:
>
> > So, of the 11 countries that the OECD thinks have greater broadband
> > penetration than the USA, 6 are more densely-populated than the USA
> > and 5 are not.
>
> I wonder how they figu
On Wed, 24 Aug 2005, Joe Abley wrote:
> So, of the 11 countries that the OECD thinks have greater broadband
> penetration than the USA, 6 are more densely-populated than the USA
> and 5 are not.
I wonder how they figure population density... Is it just a matter of
land area divided by the numbe
On 24-Aug-2005, at 19:16, Lewis Butler wrote:
And what does every country ahead of the US have in common? Tiny
populations.
And waht does every country but one have in common? Very small
area. The US has states taht are larger than 10 of the 11
countries ahed of use, COMBINED.
(popu
On 23 Aug 2005, at 17:04 , Michael Painter wrote:
US is trailing other industrial countries in broadband penetration
I'm not sure that's the case, AFAIK the US holds its own.
Graph at the bottom of the article.
http://www.mbc-thebridge.com/viewbridge.cfm?instance_id=304
And what does every
Amen, brother. ;-)
- ferg
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Apologies for this possibly off topic post, but it does touch on the
future speeds and feeds of networks. What follows is my opinion, not
employer's, etc, etc, etc.
On Aug 23, 2005, at 4:42 PM, Randy Bush wrote:
does not take much convincing in dc that what is good for big business
is go
On Tuesday 23 August 2005 17:52, Fergie (Paul Ferguson) wrote:
> And just to make life more fun, it looks like there's an effort
> afoot to get VoIP consumers to pay (read: tax) into the USF:
>
> New taxes could slam Net phone users
> http://news.com.com/New+taxes+could+slam+Net+phone+users/2100-7
On 24-aug-2005, at 1:04, Michael Painter wrote:
US is trailing other industrial countries in broadband penetration
I'm not sure that's the case, AFAIK the US holds its own.
Graph at the bottom of the article.
http://www.mbc-thebridge.com/viewbridge.cfm?instance_id=304
No, the one you
US is trailing other industrial countries in broadband penetration
I'm not sure that's the case, AFAIK the US holds its own.
Graph at the bottom of the article.
http://www.mbc-thebridge.com/viewbridge.cfm?instance_id=304
..and life is probably going to get a lot more interesting
for service providers.
All today, we have leaders in the field with completely opposite
views of the word:
U.S. Broadband Policy Exists -- And Works, Claims NTIA's Gallagher
http://www.advancedippipeline.com/169600336
[and]
Nortel chie
At 05:45 PM 8/23/2005, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
On 23-aug-2005, at 23:24, Richard Z wrote:
US is trailing other industrial countries in broadband penetration
I'm not sure that's the case, AFAIK the US holds its own.
because no carrier is interested in investing and building
an infrastr
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On Tue, 23 Aug 2005, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
> So I guess the choice is between lots of broadband against monopoly prices or
> less broadband at lower prices?
You forget the third choice the AT&T taught us so well before the big
br
On 23-aug-2005, at 23:24, Richard Z wrote:
US is trailing other industrial countries in broadband penetration
I'm not sure that's the case, AFAIK the US holds its own.
because no carrier is interested in investing and building
an infrastructure to be shared by their competitors. The only wa
Richard Z <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I think that big carriers have successfully convinced regulators that
> the telecom deregulation in late nineties was bad for the industry.
does not take much convincing in dc that what is good for big business
is good for america these days.
> It certainly destro
I think that big carriers have successfully convinced regulators that
the telecom deregulation in late nineties was bad for the industry. It
certainly destroyed quite a few big companies, e.g. MCI and AT&T. Also
it dragged down a few big companies, e.g. Verizon has $40B debt. In
the meantime, US i
Dan Neel writes in CRN.com:
[snip]
The California ISP Association (CISPA) claims the merger of Verizon
Communications and MCI will threaten ISP business models.
CISPA represents more than 180 ISPs. Mike Jackman, executive director of the
Sacramento, Calif.-based organization, said the multibi
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