Re: possible ORG problems, maybe?

2003-10-15 Thread Jeff Wasilko
On Thu, Oct 16, 2003 at 12:05:25AM -0400, Joe Abley wrote: > > I think I'm seeing problems performing recursive queries for names > under ORG against tld[12].ultradns.net at the moment, which is causing > resolvers without cached data to behave as if domains don't exist.

possible ORG problems, maybe?

2003-10-15 Thread Joe Abley
I think I'm seeing problems performing recursive queries for names under ORG against tld[12].ultradns.net at the moment, which is causing resolvers without cached data to behave as if domains don't exist. It's not trivial to tell whether this is just a local problem,

Re: AOL mail server problems?

2003-10-12 Thread Brian Bruns
- Original Message - From: Joshua Levitsky To: Brian Bruns Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Suresh Ramasubramanian Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 3:10 PM Subject: Re: AOL mail server problems? > What is the PTR record for your mail server? If you don't have one or if

Re: AOL mail server problems?

2003-10-12 Thread Brian Bruns
- Original Message - From: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brian Bruns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: Re: AOL mail server problems? > W

Re: AOL mail server problems?

2003-10-12 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Brian Bruns writes on 10/12/2003 11:58 PM: This is one of those reasons why I hate DUL lists with a passion. Its not foolproof, and alot of smaller sites get nailed in this mess. When it comes to a choice between letting in the ~ 1% of small businesses and linux geeks on dialup + dynamic DNS, an

Re: AOL mail server problems?

2003-10-12 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes on 10/12/2003 11:46 PM: On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Brian Bruns wrote: I've noticed some weird things going on with AOL's smtp servers today - 2003-10-12 12:37:48 1A8k8X-0002OC-0c Remote host mailin-04.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.89] closed connection in response to initial connection

Re: AOL mail server problems?

2003-10-12 Thread Brian Bruns
- Original Message - From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Brian Bruns" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2003 2:16 PM Subject: Re: AOL mail server problems? > They're probably blocking you. Have you gotten many scomp co

Re: AOL mail server problems?

2003-10-12 Thread jlewis
On Sun, 12 Oct 2003, Brian Bruns wrote: > I've noticed some weird things going on with AOL's smtp servers today - > 2003-10-12 12:37:48 1A8k8X-0002OC-0c Remote host mailin-04.mx.aol.com > [64.12.138.89] closed connection in response to initial connection > 2003-10-12 12:37:55 1A8k8X-0002OC-0c Rem

AOL mail server problems?

2003-10-12 Thread Brian Bruns
Hello everyone, I've noticed some weird things going on with AOL's smtp servers today - 2003-10-12 12:37:48 1A8k8X-0002OC-0c Remote host mailin-04.mx.aol.com [64.12.138.89] closed connection in response to initial connection 2003-10-12 12:37:55 1A8k8X-0002OC-0c Remote host mailin-04.mx.aol.com [

Re: Hotmail Problems

2003-10-10 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
Michael Heitland writes on 10/10/2003 7:41 PM: Has anyone seen issues with hotmail receiving emails several days after they are sent. We are not getting bounces, just long delays in what appears to be hotmails posting to inboxes. Yes. Since quite some time. -- srs (postmaster|suresh)@outblaze.co

RE: Hotmail Problems

2003-10-10 Thread Geo.
>>> Has anyone seen issues with hotmail receiving emails several days after they are sent. We are not getting bounces, just long delays in what appears to be hotmails posting to inboxes. >>We've been seeing lots of server timeouts and connection resets to hotmail.com and msn MXs over the last c

Re: Hotmail Problems

2003-10-10 Thread Patrick_McAllister
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Re: Hotmail Problems

2003-10-10 Thread Alan Sparks
On Fri, 2003-10-10 at 08:11, Michael Heitland wrote: > > Has anyone seen issues with hotmail receiving emails several days after they are sent. We are not getting bounces, just long delays in what appears to be hotmails posting to inboxes. > > Some customers have waited 2 days to see an email

Hotmail Problems

2003-10-10 Thread Michael Heitland
Has anyone seen issues with hotmail receiving emails several days after they are sent. We are not getting bounces, just long delays in what appears to be hotmails posting to inboxes. Some customers have waited 2 days to see an email reach their inbox. We have tested this from not only our doma

RE: cisco site down? multiple sources reporting connectivity problems

2003-10-06 Thread just me
They probably upgraded the code on their { CSSes | Localdirectors }. ;-) On Mon, 6 Oct 2003, Sean McPherson wrote: And poof, that's it. No data. Try again, and I randomly get the whole page, part of the page down to the 'Feedback' line, or nothing. Same thing happens from work (AT&T / Q

RE: cisco site down? multiple sources reporting connectivity problems

2003-10-06 Thread Sean McPherson
> From: Brennan_Murphy > Date: Mon Oct 06 14:56:46 2003 > > --- > > I'm on multiple mailing lists now with multiple persons reporting > connectivity issues to cisco.com. > > Can anyone summarize what the issue is? I'm cur

Re: cisco site down? multiple sources reporting connectivity problems

2003-10-06 Thread Regis M. Donovan
On Mon, Oct 06, 2003 at 11:54:41AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm on multiple mailing lists now with multiple persons reporting > connectivity issues to cisco.com. > > Can anyone summarize what the issue is? i see timeouts after connecting via ie5.x and lynx. if i telnet to port 80 and do

RE: cisco site down? multiple sources reporting connectivity problems

2003-10-06 Thread Brennan_Murphy
I'm on multiple mailing lists now with multiple persons reporting connectivity issues to cisco.com. Can anyone summarize what the issue is? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ezequiel Carson Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 11:41 AM To: M

Re: Massive sprintlink problems?

2003-10-01 Thread Roy Bentley
Judging by traceroutes to livejournal.com, which is hosted at Internap, there are problems with Sprintlink after that hop to Toyko. I'm now hitting Verio instead. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/pts/1:~) traceroute shell.wgops.com traceroute to shell.wgops.com (66.92.192.108), 30 hops max, 38 byte pa

Re: Massive sprintlink problems?

2003-10-01 Thread Michael Loftis
According to speakeasy system status page (my DSL provider at the other end there)... It seems though it's rather more widespread than what this notice makes it out to be. 09/26/03 02:18:07 PM Seattle POP Packet Loss Region : Seattle E.T.A. : (none) Services Affected : Some broadband services

Re: Massive sprintlink problems?

2003-10-01 Thread Roy Bentley
I'm seeing this on my cable connection too. ([EMAIL PROTECTED]/pts/1:~) traceroute shell.wgops.com traceroute to shell.wgops.com (66.92.192.108), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets 1 10.65.80.1 (10.65.80.1) 7.106 ms 11.420 ms 40.080 ms 2 srp4-0.chrlncsa-rtr4.carolina.rr.com (24.93.66.110) 6.847

Re: Massive sprintlink problems?

2003-10-01 Thread Mark Radabaugh
- Original Message - From: "Michael Loftis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 2:47 PM Subject: Massive sprintlink problems? > > Anyone else seeing this:: (1sec+ delay to my idle DSL line across > sprintlink..

Massive sprintlink problems?

2003-10-01 Thread Michael Loftis
Anyone else seeing this:: (1sec+ delay to my idle DSL line across sprintlink...) traceroute is definitely taking an asymmetric path, since pings and tcp connections are consistent 1sec plus RTT starting somewhere in seattle or tacoma.tok? tokyo? Anyway before I start rattling this around

Re: Korean network problems, was FW: e-bay

2003-09-26 Thread John R. Levine
ith responsive admins and low spam counts. I'll be very happy to take out networks that solve their spam problems, but so far none have done so. Now and then someone writes and says "I fixed my open relay, please unlist me" (no, it's not a list of individual open relays) or "

NANOG 29 registration problems.

2003-09-24 Thread nicholas harteau
Once again, Verisign screws up. Can someone point me to the correct contact information to see if my registration actually went through or not? I don't see anything besides [EMAIL PROTECTED] listed on the website. -- nicholas harteau [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: anycast (Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-22 Thread just me
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, David G. Andersen wrote: With load balancing, traffic can get routed down a non-functional path while routing takes place over the other one - BBN did that to us once, was very entertaining). Ah yes, I'll always have a special place in my heart for those Localdirectors

Re: anycast (Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-22 Thread E.B. Dreger
DGA> Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2003 18:32:19 -0400 DGA> From: David G. Andersen DGA> The whole problem with only listing two anycast servers is that DGA> you leave yourself vulnerable to other kinds of faults. Your DGA> upstream ISP fat-fingers "ip route 64.94.110.11 null0" and DGA> accidentally blitze

Re: anycast (Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-22 Thread Patrick
On Mon, 22 Sep 2003, David G. Andersen wrote: > > Yes, I hope that UltraDNS implements something like this, if they have not > > already. It's still not a guarantee that things will get withdrawn -- or be > > reachable, even if working but not withdrawn -- in case of a problem. That > > still l

Re: anycast (Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-22 Thread David G. Andersen
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:38:18PM -0400, Todd Vierling quacked: > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, E.B. Dreger wrote: > > : EBD> That's why one uses a daemon with main loop including > : EBD> something like: > : EBD> > : EBD>success = 1 ; > : EBD>for ( i = checklist ; i->callback != NULL

Re: apathy (was Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-19 Thread Richard A Steenbergen
On Fri, Sep 19, 2003 at 01:36:41PM -0400, Todd Vierling wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Rodney Joffe wrote: > > : You started from a point of having no idea that UltraDNS used anycast, > : confirmed for everyone in your second email that you had no clue about > : how anycast worked, > > Please

Re: apathy (was Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-19 Thread Todd Vierling
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Rodney Joffe wrote: : You started from a point of having no idea that UltraDNS used anycast, : confirmed for everyone in your second email that you had no clue about : how anycast worked, Please stop the bellicose, holier-than-thou attitude because you feel like assuming tha

Re: apathy (was Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-19 Thread Rodney Joffe
Todd Vierling wrote: > > On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Alex Bligh wrote: > > : > DNS site A goes down, but its BGP advertisements are still in effect. > : > (Their firewall still appears to be up, but DNS requests fail.) Host > : > site C cannot resolve ANYTHING from DNS site A, even though DNS site B

RE: apathy (was Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-19 Thread Eric Germann
> -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of > Todd Vierling > Sent: Friday, September 19, 2003 11:37 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: apathy (was Re: .ORG problems this evening) > > > I've repeatedly d

apathy (was Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-19 Thread Todd Vierling
On Fri, 19 Sep 2003, Alex Bligh wrote: : > DNS site A goes down, but its BGP advertisements are still in effect. : > (Their firewall still appears to be up, but DNS requests fail.) Host : > site C cannot resolve ANYTHING from DNS site A, even though DNS site B is : > still up and running. But h

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-19 Thread Alex Bligh
--On 18 September 2003 10:05 -0400 Todd Vierling <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DNS site A goes down, but its BGP advertisements are still in effect. (Their firewall still appears to be up, but DNS requests fail.) Host site C cannot resolve ANYTHING from DNS site A, even though DNS site B is still

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: : > Sucks to be anyone trying to use the service whose routers pick those nodes : > as the only ones available. That's the fault of the implementor, not the : > client. : I think it's out of line to speculate on how UltraDNS has configured : thes

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 02:22:19PM -0400, Todd Vierling wrote: > Sucks to be anyone trying to use the service whose routers pick those nodes > as the only ones available. That's the fault of the implementor, not the > client. I have a sneaking suspicion that if UltraDNS's tld cluster tha

RE: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread David Schwartz
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Leo Bicknell wrote: > > A truely robust anycast setup has two "addresses" (or networks, or > > whatever), but only one per site. From the momentary outage while > > BGP reconverges to the very real problem of the service being down > > and the route still being announced

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, John Fraizer wrote: : Todd, you don't make the announcement for the anycast address from your : border.. You do it from within the anycast cluster as a CONDITIONAL : announcement. IE; you use a specially written BGP daemon that makes the : announcement when the service is a

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread E.B. Dreger
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:36:37 -0700 (PDT) > From: bmanning > > Bill, I know you know better, so let's try more facts and less > > FUD. Mmmmkay? Your above paragraph is a red herring that is > > analogous to saying "all multihomed services must be run on the > > router itself". > > ye

Re: anycast (Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, E.B. Dreger wrote: : EBD> That's why one uses a daemon with main loop including : EBD> something like: : EBD> : EBD> success = 0 ; : EBD> for ( i = checklist ; i->callback != NULL ; i++ ) : EBD> success &= i->callback(foo) ; : EBD> if ( success ) : EBD> s

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread E.B. Dreger
ou advertise the route, you'd better be ready to handle the traffic. (Did someone say "7007"?) TV> BGP errors happen (everyone here should be able to attest to TV> that readily), and they did. What's to stop some other TV> boneheaded DoS or oversight from causing this

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread bmanning
> Bill, I know you know better, so let's try more facts and less > FUD. Mmmmkay? Your above paragraph is a red herring that is > analogous to saying "all multihomed services must be run on the > router itself". yes, it does lean that way... but to expose a sigma-six blip in how

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, John Fraizer wrote: : As has been stated by others, UltraDNS, like the roots and other TLD hosts : is under nearly constant attack. Perhaps your local nodes were effected : by an attack. IE; the pipe was full but the service was still alive so the : anycast prefix wasn't ret

Re: anycast (Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread E.B. Dreger
EBD> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 18:01:07 + (GMT) EBD> From: E.B. Dreger EBD> That's why one uses a daemon with main loop including EBD> something like: EBD> EBD>success = 0 ; EBD>for ( i = checklist ; i->callback != NULL ; i++ ) EBD>success &= i->callback(foo) ; EBD>if (

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread E.B. Dreger
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:00:53 -0700 (PDT) > From: bmanning > Sorry no zebra. Perhaps I should run my TLDs > DNS service on my Juniper Routers. some expect/cron > work should provide the needed glue... Bill, I know you know better, so let's try more facts and less FUD. M

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Keptin Komrade Dr. BobWrench III esq. wrote: : And, I might add, in the case of a highly complex anycast application, : you will need to check not only for correctness, but for timeliness. All this still assumes that DNS should be trusting a single anycast location as the on

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread E.B. Dreger
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:29:06 -0700 (PDT) > From: bmanning > Ick. you really believe that BGP can or should be augmented to > understand application "liveness"? BGP reaching past the And why not? BGP deals in reachability information. Perhaps it conventionally represents interface and

anycast (Re: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread E.B. Dreger
> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:47:01 -0400 > From: Keptin Komrade Dr. BobWrench III esq. > And, I might add, in the case of a highly complex anycast > application, you will need to check not only for correctness, > but for timeliness. In a realtime system, something that is late is considered inco

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread bmanning
> > BGP has no way to know that an internal network problem occurred. If > > someone mistakenly tripped over a network cable that disconnected DNS > > clusters from a router, how would the router know to drop anycast > > advertisements? > > > > (Sure, you could run zebra on the cluster. But wha

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread just me
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Todd Vierling wrote: BGP has no way to know that an internal network problem occurred. If someone mistakenly tripped over a network cable that disconnected DNS clusters from a router, how would the router know to drop anycast advertisements? (Sure, you could run z

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Keptin Komrade Dr. BobWrench III esq.
E.B. Dreger wrote: TV> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:01:18 -0400 (EDT) TV> From: Todd Vierling TV> BGP doesn't know when a DNS server dies. Therein lies the TV> findamental problem of using anycast as an application TV> redundancy scheme. But it can and should. Again, seeing if the process is runnin

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Keptin Komrade Dr. BobWrench III esq.
Todd Vierling wrote: BGP doesn't know when a DNS server dies. Therein lies the findamental problem of using anycast as an application redundancy scheme. You ever think that maybe, just maybe, Ultra wrote some code to do this? Yes, it might have concievably failed in a way that seems to have left

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Todd Vierling wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, E.B. Dreger wrote: > > : TV> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:05:15 -0400 (EDT) > : TV> From: Todd Vierling > : > : TV> DNS site A goes down, but its BGP advertisements are still in > : TV> effect. > : > : Or are they? > > I couldn't

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread bmanning
> TV> BGP doesn't know when a DNS server dies. Therein lies the > TV> findamental problem of using anycast as an application > TV> redundancy scheme. > > But it can and should. Again, seeing if the process is running > is easy; verifying correct functionality requires more work, but > definitel

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread E.B. Dreger
TV> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 12:52:29 -0400 (EDT) TV> From: Todd Vierling TV> I couldn't know for sure from some sites, but traceroutes TV> sure got there. That would imply that (at their end) the TV> advertisements were still up. Which would be an implementation flaw, not something inherently w

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread E.B. Dreger
TV> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 13:01:18 -0400 (EDT) TV> From: Todd Vierling TV> BGP doesn't know when a DNS server dies. Therein lies the TV> findamental problem of using anycast as an application TV> redundancy scheme. But it can and should. Again, seeing if the process is running is easy; verif

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, E.B. Dreger wrote: : TV> Anycasting only works as a redundancy scheme when you have a : TV> mesh of *partially* overlapping BGP advertisements, so that a : TV> client has a guarantee that at least one address in the mix : TV> is located elsewhere from the rest. : : Don't be s

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, E.B. Dreger wrote: : TV> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:05:15 -0400 (EDT) : TV> From: Todd Vierling : : TV> DNS site A goes down, but its BGP advertisements are still in : TV> effect. : : Or are they? I couldn't know for sure from some sites, but traceroutes sure got there. That

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread E.B. Dreger
TV> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 11:39:17 -0400 (EDT) TV> From: Todd Vierling TV> And guess what: neither of the two addresses supplied by TV> UltraDNS worked last night for some sites, because their TV> anycast configuration is not allowing DNS redundancy. It is TV> depending on every site somehow

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread E.B. Dreger
TV> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 10:05:15 -0400 (EDT) TV> From: Todd Vierling TV> DNS site A goes down, but its BGP advertisements are still in TV> effect. Or are they? Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network building Pho

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread David Lesher
Speaking on Deep Background, the Press Secretary whispered: > > : I think you'll find most people on the list would disagree with you > : on this point. Many ISP's run anycast for customer facing DNS > : servers, and I'll bet if you ask the first reason why isn't because > : they provide faster

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Leo Bicknell wrote: : > Anycast is *NOT* a "redundancy and reliability" system when dealing with : > application-based services like DNS. Rather, anycast is a geographically : : I think you'll find most people on the list would disagree with you : on this point. Many ISP's

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 10:05:15AM -0400, Todd Vierling wrote: > Anycast is *NOT* a "redundancy and reliability" system when dealing with > application-based services like DNS. Rather, anycast is a geographically I think you'll find most people on the list would disagree with

Re: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Leo Bicknell wrote: > A truely robust anycast setup has two "addresses" (or networks, or > whatever), but only one per site. From the momentary outage while > BGP reconverges to the very real problem of the service being down > and the route still being announced there are i

Re: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Leo Bicknell wrote: : Number your sites from 1..N, have all odds announce one address, all : evens the other. DNS servers will still use the closest (due to RTT : checking), but will now also have a backup that does not go to the same : site in steady state, but is still ver

Re: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Leo Bicknell
In a message written on Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 09:57:23AM -0400, Todd Vierling wrote: > The problem with UltraDNS, the point which many on this people are missing, > is that at least some UltraDNS sites are advertising *all* anycast networks > simultaneously (see traceroutes below). Yes, all == 2 at

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, just me wrote: : If you're still confused, have a read here: : : http://www.ultradns.com/support/managed_dns_faq.cfm : : "Q. I read that your service is supposed to make use of several : servers all over the world, but you only give users two server : addresses to provide to

Re: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: : 1. Only you were affected I doubt this. At least one person has noted seeing the same on this list, and I bet many more would corroborate by looking for DNS temp failures for MAIL FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in mail logs from last night between about

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread just me
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Todd Vierling wrote: 12 dellfweqab.ultradns.net (204.74.103.2) 24.811 ms !H A nameserver's response to anything but DNS queries is just as relevant as a web server's response to NTP queries. Why do you insist that the ability to traceroute to it is an operational require

Re: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Todd Vierling wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > : > Still doesn't help .ORG, which is 100% anycast and thus has no DNS-based > : > redundancy > : > : Wrong since there are two IP addresses. They may fail at the same time > : (which apparently happen

Re: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
> : > There's an easy fix to that particular situation: Make the first (or first > : > two) listed servers anycast, and the rest unicast. > : > : It would require a central management (or at least a central > : oversight) of the root name servers and I do not believe there is one: > : each root n

Re: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: : > Still doesn't help .ORG, which is 100% anycast and thus has no DNS-based : > redundancy : : Wrong since there are two IP addresses. They may fail at the same time : (which apparently happened to you) but there is a least an element of : non-BGP

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Rodney Joffe
Todd Vierling wrote: > > Yes, it is firewalled. I was pointing out that the route is the same for > tld1 and tld2 for me, all the way up to the firewall. Please post traceroutes from your location, as well as from the two locations in different parts of the USA (You said earlier: "I tracerout

Re: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: : > There's an easy fix to that particular situation: Make the first (or first : > two) listed servers anycast, and the rest unicast. : : It would require a central management (or at least a central : oversight) of the root name servers and I do no

Re: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, sep 18, 2003, at 14:08 Europe/Amsterdam, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: BGP is really bad at. DNS servers on the other hand track RTTs for query responses BIND does it but what about Microsoft cache/forwarder? At RIPE 45 (you were there), Was I??? a talk by people at CAIDA showed that

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Stephen J. Wilcox wrote: : they have two distinct servers by IP, globally they have N x clusters. i'm sure : each instance is actualyl more than a single linux PeeCee Doesn't matter if it's a cluster at each location. The fact remains that there were only two IP addresses v

Re: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: : BIND does it but what about Microsoft cache/forwarder? At RIPE 45 (you : were there), a talk by people at CAIDA showed that A.root-servers.net : received twice as much traffic as the other root name servers since it : is just the first one listed.

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Stephen J. Wilcox
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Todd Vierling wrote: > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Jared Mauch wrote: > > : ultradns uses the power of anycast to have these ips that appear > : to be on close subnets in geographyically diverse locations. > > Oh, that's brilliant. How nice of them to defeat the concept of red

Re: DNS anycast considered harmful (was: .ORG problems this evening)

2003-09-18 Thread Iljitsch van Beijnum
On donderdag, sep 18, 2003, at 13:38 Europe/Amsterdam, Todd Vierling wrote: : ultradns uses the power of anycast to have these ips that appear : to be on close subnets in geographyically diverse locations. Oh, that's brilliant. How nice of them to defeat the concept of redundancy by limi

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Majdi S. Abbas wrote: : I didn't have a problem with .org this evening, and I've asked : around and others don't seem to have noticed anything either. It would be : more helpful if you told us your source prefix, and which filter you're : hitting when you traceroute to

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Todd Vierling
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Jared Mauch wrote: : ultradns uses the power of anycast to have these ips that appear : to be on close subnets in geographyically diverse locations. Oh, that's brilliant. How nice of them to defeat the concept of redundancy by limiting me to only two of their servers

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Majdi S. Abbas
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 12:50:28AM -0400, Todd Vierling wrote: > tld[12].ultradns.net, the NS for .ORG, was completely unreachable for about > an hour or two this evening, timing out on all DNS queries. Anyone else see > similar? (The hosts are unpingable and untracerouteable, so I had to use >

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-18 Thread Alex Bligh
Todd/Chris, It makes me wonder how UltraDNS got a contract to manage the domain on all of two nameservers hosted on the same subnet, given that they were supposed to have deployed "geographically diverse" (or something like that) servers. But then, we know ICANN smokes the crack liberally at times

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-17 Thread John Brown
um, dude, can you sayANYCAST. On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 12:50:28AM -0400, Todd Vierling wrote: > > tld[12].ultradns.net, the NS for .ORG, was completely unreachable for about > an hour or two this evening, timing out on all DNS queries. Anyone else see > similar? (The hosts are unpingable a

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-17 Thread Rodney Joffe
Todd Vierling wrote: > > tld[12].ultradns.net, the NS for .ORG, was completely unreachable for about > an hour or two this evening, timing out on all DNS queries. Anyone else see > similar? (The hosts are unpingable and untracerouteable, so I had to use > DNS queries to determine when they we

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-17 Thread E.B. Dreger
CLM> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 05:28:05 + (GMT) CLM> From: Christopher L. Morrow CLM> Just because they hosts are on the same subnet and are CLM> apparently behind the same end device for you doesn't make CLM> them non-geographically diverse if they are really anycast CLM> pods, does it? It rea

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-17 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Todd Vierling wrote: > > > > > It makes me wonder how UltraDNS got a contract to manage the domain on all > > of two nameservers hosted on the same subnet, given that they were supposed > > to have deployed "geographically

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-17 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Thu, 18 Sep 2003, Todd Vierling wrote: > > It makes me wonder how UltraDNS got a contract to manage the domain on all > of two nameservers hosted on the same subnet, given that they were supposed > to have deployed "geographically diverse" (or something like that) servers. > But then, we kno

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-17 Thread E.B. Dreger
TV> Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2003 00:50:28 -0400 (EDT) TV> From: Todd Vierling TV> tld[12].ultradns.net, the NS for .ORG, was completely TV> unreachable for about an hour or two this evening, timing out TV> on all DNS queries. Anyone else see similar? (The hosts are I don't recall having troubles th

Re: .ORG problems this evening

2003-09-17 Thread Jared Mauch
On Thu, Sep 18, 2003 at 12:50:28AM -0400, Todd Vierling wrote: > > tld[12].ultradns.net, the NS for .ORG, was completely unreachable for about > an hour or two this evening, timing out on all DNS queries. Anyone else see > similar? (The hosts are unpingable and untracerouteable, so I had to use

.ORG problems this evening

2003-09-17 Thread Todd Vierling
tld[12].ultradns.net, the NS for .ORG, was completely unreachable for about an hour or two this evening, timing out on all DNS queries. Anyone else see similar? (The hosts are unpingable and untracerouteable, so I had to use DNS queries to determine when they were back up.) It makes me wonder h

Re: Heads up -- potential problems in 3.7, too? [Fwd: OpenSSH Security Advisory: buffer.adv]

2003-09-16 Thread Jared Mauch
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 10:48:16PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Lovely...still not on the mirrors yet, either... http://phat.nether.net/iso/openssh-3.7.1p1.tar.gz Obviously check your md5 and other signatures. - jared > On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Jeff Wasilko wrote: >

Re: Heads up -- potential problems in 3.7, too? [Fwd: OpenSSH Security Advisory: buffer.adv]

2003-09-16 Thread up
Lovely...still not on the mirrors yet, either... On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Jeff Wasilko wrote: > On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 08:58:13PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > > > I hope you mean OpenSSH 3.7p1 ? > > No, there was a 2nd release today: > > ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portabl

Re: Heads up -- potential problems in 3.7, too? [Fwd: OpenSSH Security Advisory: buffer.adv]

2003-09-16 Thread E.B. Dreger
JS> Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2003 20:58:13 -0400 (EDT) JS> From: James Smallacombe JS> I hope you mean OpenSSH 3.7p1 ? No. He means 3.7.1p1 -- fire up your compiler(s) again. Eddy -- Brotsman & Dreger, Inc. - EverQuick Internet Division Bandwidth, consulting, e-commerce, hosting, and network buildin

Re: Heads up -- potential problems in 3.7, too? [Fwd: OpenSSH Security Advisory: buffer.adv]

2003-09-16 Thread Jeff Wasilko
On Tue, Sep 16, 2003 at 08:58:13PM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > I hope you mean OpenSSH 3.7p1 ? No, there was a 2nd release today: ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/OpenSSH/portable/openssh-3.7.1p1.tar.gz

Re: Heads up -- potential problems in 3.7, too? [Fwd: OpenSSH Security Advisory: buffer.adv]

2003-09-16 Thread ken emery
On Tue, 16 Sep 2003 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I hope you mean OpenSSH 3.7p1 ? No, he means 3.7.1. There was another release today. bye, ken emery > On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Alex Lambert wrote: > > > > > 3.7.1 was just released. > > > > Two patches for similar issues in a very short timeframe. Wh

Re: Heads up -- potential problems in 3.7, too? [Fwd: OpenSSH Security Advisory: buffer.adv]

2003-09-16 Thread up
I hope you mean OpenSSH 3.7p1 ? On Tue, 16 Sep 2003, Alex Lambert wrote: > > 3.7.1 was just released. > > Two patches for similar issues in a very short timeframe. Who do they > think they are -- Microsoft? > > > > > apl > > Original Message > Subject: OpenSSH Security Adviso

Heads up -- potential problems in 3.7, too? [Fwd: OpenSSH Security Advisory: buffer.adv]

2003-09-16 Thread Alex Lambert
3.7.1 was just released. Two patches for similar issues in a very short timeframe. Who do they think they are -- Microsoft? apl Original Message Subject: OpenSSH Security Advisory: buffer.adv Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2003 01:13:30 +0200 From: Markus Friedl <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To:

arin.net DNS problems

2003-09-08 Thread Kai Schlichting
I had intermittent failures to resolve whois.arin.net today, and haven't bothered to investigate this until now: someone please forward this to an after-hours person at ARIN, [EMAIL PROTECTED] will probably not be read for a while. Reason: BUCHU.arin.net. 3H IN A 192.100.59.110 a

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