>> Michel Py wrote:
>> In other words: as of today a large part of the bandwidth is
>> allocated to building everyone's collection of files. This
>> might gradually change to become bandwidth being used only
>> for incremental updates as huge local file libraries become
>> common place.
> Peter G
Peter Galbavy wrote:
But this possible assumes that production of new media will either
slow or stay at a constant rate. The never-yet-realised side effect of
all this distribution capacity is that possible many more artists will
have access to the listeners / viewers and in more narrow niches t
Michel Py wrote:
In other words: as of today a large part of the bandwidth is allocated
to building everyone's collection of files. This might gradually
change to become bandwidth being used only for incremental updates as
huge local file libraries become common place.
But this possible assumes tha
Erik Parker wrote:
Speaking of which.. I wish P2P had been a little bit more organized
when 9/11 happened.. Trying to watch the news online, download clips,
or images for those few days following.. was nearly impossible.
CNN/TimeWarner should recall that their entire cluster was destroyed
and
> Peter Galbavy wrote:
> My personal reasons for any downloading of audio, specifically,
> in it's unavailability through retail channels. I keep picking
> up references to older stuff that has been dumped by the pop-bods
> many years ago and cannot be bought for love nor money. I may be
> breakin
Not that I'm trying to put words in your mouth, but I believe you meant
suprnova.org which is a BitTorrent site (supernova.org is not a
bittorrent site).
Check out this link for a list of other BitTorrent sites and
applications:
http://kevinrose.typepad.com/kr/2004/07/darktip_the_bes.html
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Michel Py wrote:
2) Make audio CD's unreadable in a computer so nobody can rip the .wav
tracks to .mp3. Totally stupid:
2.a) Remember the last ones that tried (namely Sony)? Their protection
scheme could be defeated in 2 seconds with a sharpie. I'm still
laughing at it. Hara-kiri comes to mind.
...
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, David A.
Ulevitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
>Microsoft isn't hiding the link:
>http://download.microsoft.com/download/1/6/5/165b076b-aaa9-443d-84f0-73cf11fdcdf8/WindowsXP-KB835935-SP2-ENU.exe
>
>linked from:
>http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/ma
> I have a solution, but it's expensive. A url for the whole 266MB
> download (and not the smaller selective download that Windows Update
> would provide). If anyone's that desperate, email me. I only used it
> after waiting a week with the "Automatic Updates" switched on, and
> nothing arrivin
In article
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Brian
Battle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes
Akamai or not, microsoft is overwhelmed by the demand for SP2, and today is
giving the message listed below on windowsupdate:
Download and install it now - Currently not available
We are currently experiencing a high level o
> Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
> because legislating in the 'USA' something that is clearly
> 'global' has worked so well? politicians looking to get:
> 1) votes
> 2) 'political bang for the buck'
> 3) useless hot air blown up someone's rear
> really need to stop trying to legislate behaviour in p
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Sean Donelan) [Tue 31 Aug 2004, 01:06 CEST]:
> Is the problem P2P? Or is the problem copyright infringement?
Is traffic the problem? Whose anyway? Isn't the point of building
a network to facilitate the exchange of data?
-- Niels.
--
Today's subliminal thought
in the food
chain becomes ambiguous."
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Surely the big benefits of peer to peer is it takes control way from the
center - which will never go down well in Washington when the big
Digital Publishers are being so successful at pushing through
legislation via WIPO etc.
If they want to start back
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Surely the big benefits of peer to peer is it takes control way from the
center - which will never go down well in Washington when the big
Digital Publishers are being so successful at pushing through
legislation via WIPO etc.
The truely novel P2P syste
Big Snip ...
At 07:03 PM 8/30/2004, Sean Donlan postualted:
Is the problem P2P? Or is the problem copyright infringement?
Thank you, Sean.
What does Peer-to-Peer mean, anyway. Unfortunately, lots of things.
One could argue (I've seen a few replies re this subject hinting around
this de
On 31-aug-04, at 13:02, Petri Helenius wrote:
In general, I think attempts to legislate the behavior of the internet
are unlikely to have much effect on it's operation other than to make
certain US companies less competitive and to make certain basic
activities more difficult for the average user.
Owen DeLong wrote:
In general, I think attempts to legislate the behavior of the internet
are unlikely to have much effect on it's operation other than to make
certain US companies less competitive and to make certain basic
activities more difficult for the average user.
However, there is going to
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Michel Py wrote:
> > Matthew McGehrin wrote:
> > Tell her to kiss my white ass.
>
> Be careful what you wish for. This is exactly what politicians do for a
> living, and some happen to have a strong enough tongue to rip you a new
> one.
Remeber she's from the PRK too!
A grade
> Matthew McGehrin wrote:
> Tell her to kiss my white ass.
Be careful what you wish for. This is exactly what politicians do for a
living, and some happen to have a strong enough tongue to rip you a new
one.
Michel.
Is the problem P2P? Or is the problem copyright infringement?
The problem is the U.S. Congress thinking it has control or authority to
legislate anything on the Internet. At some point, the law is going to
have to recognize that the Internet is an international phenomenon, and,
that localized or
: Sean Donelan
> > Cc: Bora Akyol; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the
> > Benefits of P2P
> >
> >
> > Sean,
> >
> > >There were lots of FTP mirrors around.
> > >Every Sun workstation cou
general hamper P2P.
Bora
> -Original Message-
> From: Martin J. Levy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 4:13 PM
> To: Sean Donelan
> Cc: Bora Akyol; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the
> Benefits
On Mon, Aug 30, 2004 at 02:33:21PM -0700, Gregory Hicks wrote:
> Actually...
>
> The "collision" problem discovered means that there might be MULTIPLE 680MB
> files that give the same checksum.
>
> Of course, the utility of most of these files would be an exercise left to
> the 'cracker' i
Sean,
>There were lots of FTP mirrors around.
>Every Sun workstation could have a Anonymous FTP. Of course, the problem
>was every Sun workstation could be an Anonymous FTP :-)
... but you forgot to mention that filtering and firewalls and NAT were not in common
use, hence everywhere was acces
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Bora Akyol wrote:
> Traffic patterns is one thing for sure.
> P2P should be lopsided the other way around. More outbound,
> than inbound. or at best symetric.
> Regular browsing is asymmetric with more inbound
> than outbound.
The Internet pre-dates the Web. In 1992, FTP was
A method like P2P (and BT's swarming in particular) allowed this file to
spread without overtaxing the bandwidth of the person or organization
distributing it.
Frankly, in a day when news organizations are forced to think about any
negative impacts of their reporting on their parent corp's age
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 14:33:21 -0700 (PDT), Gregory Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I recall even seeing posts about people claiming this meant original data
>> being reconstructed from the checksum! That would be truly amazing since I
>> could reconstruct a 680MB ISO from just 61d38fad42b4
While I agree with everything you said, Scott, I think that is exactly the
kind of application that Feinstein is looking to quash. Her agenda has
been very pro-corporate control anti-free speech, anti-individual since she
took office. The only thing she seems more opposed to is anyone besides
her
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of Sean Donelan
> Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:04 PM
> To: Fred Baker
> Cc: Henry Linneweh; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the
> Benefi
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 17:31:12 -0400, Jeff Wheeler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> p2p is different due to its decentralization. in other words, what
> once required a server to do can now be done by anyone sitting in
> front of their home computer. it in a way revitalized the idea of
> every compu
Gregory Hicks wrote:
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:39:56 -0400
From: Mike Tancsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
At 04:12 PM 30/08/2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
yep md5 made the news recently because it's been cracked:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22-5314533.html
http://www.rtfm.com/movabletype/archives/2004_08.ht
At 05:03 PM 08/30/04 -0400, Sean Donelan wrote:
I've always wondered what really makes P2P different from anything else on
the Internet? From the service provider's point of view, users accessing
CNN.COM is a peer-to-peer activity between the user and CNN. From the
service provider's point of
On 30-aug-04, at 23:31, Jeff Wheeler wrote:
the problem is that while in the 'real world' this wasn't a big issue
(a user giving away copies of the latest CD they bought from their
front porch wasn't likely able to distribute it to too many people,
and it cost them money to do it) on the 'net it
> So I would like some professional expert opinion to
> give her on this issue since it will effect the
> copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for
> production and professional usage of this technology.
We have no idea what the benefits of P2P are going to be or what the
technology i
Scott Call wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I recall even seeing posts about people claiming this meant original
data being reconstructed from the checksum! That would be truly
amazing since I could reconstruct a 680MB ISO from just
61d38fad42b4037970338636b5e72e5a. Wow!
Technica
> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2004 16:39:56 -0400
> From: Mike Tancsa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> At 04:12 PM 30/08/2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
>
> >yep md5 made the news recently because it's been cracked:
> >
> >http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22-5314533.html
> >http://www.rtfm.com/movabletype/archives/2004_0
p2p is different due to its decentralization. in other words, what
once required a server to do can now be done by anyone sitting in front
of their home computer. it in a way revitalized the idea of every
computer on the 'net being it's own host - capable of serving up
whatever the user wishe
At 05:10 PM 30/08/2004, Scott Call wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I recall even seeing posts about people claiming this meant original data
being reconstructed from the checksum! That would be truly amazing since
I could reconstruct a 680MB ISO from just
61d38fad42b4037970338636
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Fred Baker wrote:
>
> I think you just tripped across the difference between a user and an SP.
> SPs don't generally have 28 KBPS dial links between them and their
> upstream, and folks that have 28 KBPS dial uplinks don't generally host
> Akamai servers. Assuming that just b
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Mike Tancsa wrote:
I recall even seeing posts about people claiming this meant original data
being reconstructed from the checksum! That would be truly amazing since I
could reconstruct a 680MB ISO from just 61d38fad42b4037970338636b5e72e5a.
Wow!
Technically, using an Infin
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Fred Baker wrote:
> This kind of a "you're different and therefore wrong" mismatch has made
> complete hash out of quite a variety of discussions concerning user
> experience and user requirements on the Internet. Please listen carefully
> when someone talks about having limit
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, james edwards wrote:
Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
Have you hear
Henry,
> So I would like some professional expert opinion to
> give her on this issue since it will effect the
> copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for
> production and professional usage of this technology.
I'm sure you'll hear this from many other people, but one thing that I always
try
At 04:12 PM 30/08/2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
yep md5 made the news recently because it's been cracked:
http://techrepublic.com.com/5100-22-5314533.html
http://www.rtfm.com/movabletype/archives/2004_08.html#001055
Thats a misleading over simplification. A collision being found implies
something diffe
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004 11:27:12 -0700 (PDT), Henry Linneweh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> So I would like some professional expert opinion to
> give her on this issue since it will effect the
> copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for
> production and professional usage of this technology.
In m
I think you just tripped across the difference between a user and an SP.
SPs don't generally have 28 KBPS dial links between them and their
upstream, and folks that have 28 KBPS dial uplinks don't generally host
Akamai servers. Assuming that just because you have effectively-infinite
bandwidth
Tell her to kiss my white ass. She can ask the FBI. Since they are the
experts when it comes to P2P.
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To: <>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:27 PM
Subject: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
So
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Dan Hollis wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Petri Helenius wrote:
> > Byron L. Hicks wrote:
> > >Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
> > >with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
> > >reluctant to trust a Win
On 30-aug-04, at 22:08, Dan Hollis wrote:
recall that feinstein is one of the loudest anti-p2p legislators.
i am not sure anyone should be helping her.
Security by obscurity?
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"Henry Linneweh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Monday, August 30, 2004 2:12 PM
Subject: Re: Senator Diane Feinstein Wants to know about the Benefits of P2P
> On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, james edwards wrote:
> > > Not true. For those of
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, james edwards wrote:
> > Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
> > with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
> > reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
> Have you heard of MD5 sum ?
yep md5
On Mon, 30 Aug 2004, Petri Helenius wrote:
> Byron L. Hicks wrote:
> >Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
> >with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
> >reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
> How is the p2p
> Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
> with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
> reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
Have you heard of MD5 sum ?
--
James H. Edwards
Routing and Security Administrator
Byron L. Hicks wrote:
Not true. For those of us who host Akamai servers, we could download SP2
with no problems. We did not need P2P, or MSDN. In fact, I would be very
reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
How is the p2p checksum different from any other checksum on the file
> In fact, I would be very
> reluctant to trust a Windows update downloaded via P2P.
>
why?
Not only were there many sources all showing the same MD5 hash (and for
the time being, we can still trust MD5...) BUT it was also digitally
signed by Microsoft which was easily verifiable.
Then again
On 30-aug-04, at 20:27, Henry Linneweh wrote:
So I would like some professional expert opinion to
give her on this issue since it will effect the
copyright inducement bill. Real benefits for
production and professional usage of this technology.
Peer to peer technology has the potential to allow ind
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