Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-06-02 Thread Steve Sobol
John Bittenbender wrote: We don't provide email services to our customers. Sure you do. When I was a VZW customer, I had a vtext.com email address and a few aliases. (BTW, you should provide better spam filtering to your customers who use SMS, but that's something we can talk about offli

Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-06-02 Thread Brad Knowles
At 10:37 AM +0200 2005-06-02, Niels Bakker wrote: Failure to do so should be considered a corporate statement that you implicitly condone any and all such activities that occur on your networks. Oooh, threatening, Mr Knowles! Threatening? No, I don't think so. Something

Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-06-02 Thread Niels Bakker
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brad Knowles) [Thu 02 Jun 2005, 06:33 CEST]: You should most definitely be actively participating in the appropriate forums. Failure to do so should be considered a corporate statement that you implicitly condone any and all such activities that occur on your networks.

Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-06-01 Thread Brad Knowles
At 7:21 PM -0700 2005-06-01, John Bittenbender wrote: We don't provide email services to our customers. We are merely a wireless ISP generally used as their secondary connection to use while the customer is mobile. Another large portion of our client base are enterprises and public servi

Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-06-01 Thread John Bittenbender
On 6/1/05, Rich Kulawiec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 04:46:01PM -, John Levine wrote: > > VZW recently confirmed that their mail system is separate from VZ's, > > and whatever mistakes they may make, they're not VZ's. > > Okay, fine -- and a look at DNS seems to back

Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies (was: Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists)

2005-06-01 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > > On Jun 1, 2005, at 1:54 PM, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: > > >> Received: from verizon.net ([63.24.130.230]) > >> > >> (63.24.130.230 is 1Cust742.an1.nyc41.da.uu.net, HELO'd as > >> 'verizon.net' > >> and VZ still relayed it) > > > > keep in mind

Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies (was: Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists)

2005-06-01 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jun 1, 2005, at 1:54 PM, Christopher L. Morrow wrote: Received: from verizon.net ([63.24.130.230]) (63.24.130.230 is 1Cust742.an1.nyc41.da.uu.net, HELO'd as 'verizon.net' and VZ still relayed it) keep in mind I'm just thinking out loud here, but is it possible that verizon is using som

Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies (was: Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists)

2005-06-01 Thread Christopher L. Morrow
On Wed, 1 Jun 2005, Steven Champeon wrote: > > on Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 12:07:33PM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > > (As to Verizon itself, since three different people pointed out the > > relative lack of SBL listings: keep in mind that SBL listings are put > > in place for very specific reasons,

Re: Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies (was: Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists)

2005-06-01 Thread Patrick W. Gilmore
On Jun 1, 2005, at 12:28 PM, Steven Champeon wrote: IOW, VZ isn't even checking to see if a zombie'd host is forging its own domain into HELO, regardless of whether it comes from Comcast or UUNet, and as long as the forged sender has a verizon.net address, and the recipient hasn't blocked VZ's

Verizon is easily fooled by spamming zombies (was: Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists)

2005-06-01 Thread Steven Champeon
on Wed, Jun 01, 2005 at 12:07:33PM -0400, Rich Kulawiec wrote: > (As to Verizon itself, since three different people pointed out the > relative lack of SBL listings: keep in mind that SBL listings are put > in place for very specific reasons, and aren't the only indicator of > spam. Other DNSBLs

Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-06-01 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Tue, May 31, 2005 at 04:46:01PM -, John Levine wrote: > VZW recently confirmed that their mail system is separate from VZ's, > and whatever mistakes they may make, they're not VZ's. Okay, fine -- and a look at DNS seems to back this up (unless I'm missing something). And I've no desire to

Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-05-31 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
On 31/05/05, Rich Kulawiec <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 05:24:41PM -0700, Crist Clark wrote: > > It appears VerizonWireless.com has some rather aggressive mail filters. > > Verizon is hopelessly clueless when it comes to mail system operations > and mail filters -- as e

Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-05-31 Thread John Levine
>On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 05:24:41PM -0700, Crist Clark wrote: >> It appears VerizonWireless.com has some rather aggressive mail filters. > >Verizon is hopelessly clueless when it comes to mail system operations >and mail filters -- as evidenced by their ongoing decision to deliberately >provide an

Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-05-31 Thread Rich Kulawiec
On Thu, May 19, 2005 at 05:24:41PM -0700, Crist Clark wrote: > It appears VerizonWireless.com has some rather aggressive mail filters. Verizon is hopelessly clueless when it comes to mail system operations and mail filters -- as evidenced by their ongoing decision to deliberately provide anonymiz

Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-05-27 Thread Crist Clark
Mad props out to Mr. John Bittenbender who got me in contact with someone at VZW who was quick and helpful getting this fixed. Apparently, VZW did decide that our IAP as a whole originated too much spam and just blocked the whole thing. I don't know if they made their filters more precise or whi

RE: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-05-20 Thread Dennis Dayman
> They're different companies. I'm pretty sure they have > different server farms and corporate policies. Verizon owns > 100% of Verizon.net and only 55% of Verizon Wireless. When I left Verizon.net abuse/security last year they were NOT sharing mail systems/resources or anti-spam measures with

Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-05-19 Thread Steve Sobol
Following up to my own post I'm going to forward this to an acquaintance I have at Verizon.net and see what he says. Mail's been sent. Don't know how busy my friend is, but he should be able to get back to me relatively quickly. -- JustThe.net - Apple Valley, CA - http://JustThe.net/ - 888.480.4

Re: VerizonWireless.com Mail Blacklists

2005-05-19 Thread Steve Sobol
Crist Clark wrote: It appears VerizonWireless.com has some rather aggressive mail filters. Verizon.net's blocking of Europe, Asia, Africa... well, everything but North America has made some headlines and even some lawsuits. Anyone know if VerizonWireless.com and Verizon.net are independent operatio