Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-23 Thread Thomas Mangin
Fell free to contact me if you have any questions about ExaBGP as I am painfully aware it's documentation is nowhere near what it should be. Thomas Sent from my iPad On 23 Aug 2012, at 08:52, Andy Davidson wrote: > > On 22 Aug 2012, at 18:42, David Hubbard wrote: > >> Of those who have use

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
joel jaeggli wrote: On 8/23/12 2:11 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: it's probably used internally and renumbering to 10/8 would be too big a hurdle to take. ;-) show route 12.0.0.0/8 ... That was mostly tongue in cheek. I was remembering the reasons people on here brought up why /8 legacy assign

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread joel jaeggli
On 8/23/12 2:11 PM, Jeroen van Aart wrote: Owen DeLong wrote: AT&T should just be glad there was a /12 for them to get. That isn't going to be true for much longer. If you are counting on an IPv4 free pool to run your business next year, you are making a bad bet. The 16777214 IP addresses (

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Suresh Ramasubramanian
They do have a large managed VPN service where this shouldn't matter very much, just to throw another possible use case into the pot. On Aug 24, 2012 3:10 AM, "Ray Soucy" wrote: > Funny, > > Saw this post come through this morning; then got call today for ASA > configuration help ... I noticed t

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Jeroen van Aart
Owen DeLong wrote: AT&T should just be glad there was a /12 for them to get. That isn't going to be true for much longer. If you are counting on an IPv4 free pool to run your business next year, you are making a bad bet. The 16777214 IP addresses (give or take) in their 12/8 assignment aren'

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Jon Lewis
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012, Ray Soucy wrote: Funny, Saw this post come through this morning; then got call today for ASA configuration help ... I noticed the guy had configured his ASA to use "private" networks of 172.100.0.0/24 and 172.200.0.0/24 ... I reminded him that they don't fall within RFC1918

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Ray Soucy
Funny, Saw this post come through this morning; then got call today for ASA configuration help ... I noticed the guy had configured his ASA to use "private" networks of 172.100.0.0/24 and 172.200.0.0/24 ... I reminded him that they don't fall within RFC1918 but the response was "oh well, I don't c

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread joel jaeggli
On 8/23/12 10:57 AM, Seth Mattinen wrote: I would really hope that wireless providers are planning for IPv6 instead, although a recent thread about Sprint LTE indicates maybe this is wishful thinking. I know Verizon is but the single LTE MiFi I have doesn't do IPv6, but I've seen customers with V

RE: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-23 Thread Frank Bulk
This Forbes article (http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2012/08/21/will-google-fiber-waste-2 8-billion/) expresses some well-founded skepticism. As someone who works for a service provider that does both town and rural FTTH, I can assure you that the $2,500 (per home served?) the FCC describes

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Seth Mattinen
On 8/23/12 7:18 AM, Jared Mauch wrote: > > On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Blake Hudson wrote: > >> How does one suddenly justify needing 1,000,000 more IP addresses (explosive >> expected growth in the next couple months?) > > I can easily see people moving through those IPs in short order if y

LISP vs. IRON vs. BGP (was Re: BGPttH. Neustar can do it, why can't we?)

2012-08-23 Thread Paul Vinciguerra
On 8/7/12 10:50 AM, Wes Felter wrote: >> The goal here was to make this as simple and cost-effective as the NAT-based >> IPv4 solution currently in common use. There's no reason it can't be exactly >> that. >> >> It does provide advantages over the NAT-based solution (sessions can survive >> fail

Re: Copyright infringement notice

2012-08-23 Thread Anne P. Mitchell, Esq.
> > > The 6 strikes system doesn't kick in til Jan 2013 AFAIK. My understanding was that it started kicking in last month, but in any event, for whomever sent the original poster the complaint, it's clearly in effect now. > > Does the legal letter make any kind of demand? Usually the sender

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Owen DeLong
On Aug 23, 2012, at 08:26 , "Otis L. Surratt, Jr." wrote: > IMO the justifcation is probably in other areas of their business like cloud > services, data center, etc. > > Obvisouly, it was compelling enough to warrant ARIN's approval for allocation > of the space in the last stretch of IPv4.

RE: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Otis L. Surratt, Jr.
IMO the justifcation is probably in other areas of their business like cloud services, data center, etc. Obvisouly, it was compelling enough to warrant ARIN's approval for allocation of the space in the last stretch of IPv4. All /16 and larger requests goes to IPv4 review team anyway. So, aga

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-23 Thread Dan White
On 08/23/12 10:51 +0430, Shahab Vahabzadeh wrote: Thanks about every ones speech in this topic but I think I can not describe my problem clearly, let me explain it some how more: You know I have two kind of ADSL services, Limited and Unlimited. Limited Like: 512Kb-4GB-3Month 1024Kb-4GB-3Month 204

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Jared Mauch
On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:04 AM, Blake Hudson wrote: > How does one suddenly justify needing 1,000,000 more IP addresses (explosive > expected growth in the next couple months?) I can easily see people moving through those IPs in short order if you have a datacenter or other deployment you are w

RE: Bird vs Quagga revisited (MP-BGP RR)

2012-08-23 Thread Raymond Burkholder
> > > Of those who have used Quagga or Bird, or anything else, > > would either of them be appropriate and/or well suited for > > use as an iBGP blackhole route server? > To expand the opinion set, how do Quagga, Bird, exaBGP, OpenBGPd hold up for handling Multi-Protocol BGP Route Reflector duti

Re: 172.0.0.0/12 has been Allocated

2012-08-23 Thread Blake Hudson
I wonder if ATT will be returning some of those /16 and /15 allocations it has in return for the /12 - http://whois.arin.net/rest/org/SIS-80/nets How does one suddenly justify needing 1,000,000 more IP addresses (explosive expected growth in the next couple months?) --Blake Owen DeLong wrote

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2012-08-23 Thread Tim Franklin
> Does anyone have a very lightly used, long long low bandwidth link > they can dedicate to The Cause? Dummynet. One cheap PC, two NICs, roll your own, as long as you like. I've had fake circuits running with 2s RTT, applications keep doing their thing, just very slowly. Regards, Tim.

Re: Fair Use Policy

2012-08-23 Thread Eugeniu Patrascu
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:21 AM, Shahab Vahabzadeh wrote: > Thanks about every ones speech in this topic but I think I can not describe > my problem clearly, let me explain it some how more: > You know I have two kind of ADSL services, Limited and Unlimited. > Limited Like: > 512Kb-4GB-3Month > 10

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-23 Thread Andy Davidson
On 22 Aug 2012, at 18:42, David Hubbard wrote: > Of those who have used Quagga or Bird, or anything else, > would either of them be appropriate and/or well suited for > use as an iBGP blackhole route server? You can use Quagga or Bird as a blackhole BGP injector, because the forwarding load is