Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Randy Bush
> In practice, We've always advertised our space all the way down to /24's ^ really bad anti-social and disgusting

Re: LSMSGCV: Your message to curtis.star...@granburyisd.org was blocked as spam - please reply to forward it

2012-08-29 Thread William Herrin
Hi Harry, You sent your message direct to Curtis in addition to Nanog. Looks like his mailer acted on the direct one, not the list-relayed message. The message from Curtis' mailer implies that it's not a blanket challenge. Maybe you just discovered a problem with your mail server that he can help

RE: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Harry Hoffman
This is what happens when old network folk don't learn about new convention or new network / security folk read old books. And it happens alot! Although not as common as blanket blocking of ICMP . -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. "STARNES, CURTIS" wrote: S

"Circuit of the americas" aka COTA

2012-08-29 Thread Chris McDonald
Trendy name for the new racetrack/event venue outside austin. Does anyone know how one might get connectivity there? I figure there must be a few folks here prepping the place for the upcoming formula 1. The place seems to be a black hole to all the usual suspects. tia, chris -- Sent from my m

[NANOG-announce] Call for Volunteers -- NANOG Education Committee

2012-08-29 Thread Steve Gibbard
(my apologies to those receiving a second copy of this. The first copy ran into a mail filtering issue and didn't go out to most of the list) At the Vancouver meeting in June, I presented a preliminary proposal for a NANOG education initiative, which would put together a NANOG-created educatio

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Matt Addison
Sent from my mobile device, so please excuse any horrible misspellings. On Aug 29, 2012, at 18:30, james machado wrote: > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:55 PM, STARNES, CURTIS > wrote: >> Sorry for the top post... >> >> Not necessarily a Level 3 problem but; >> >> We are announcing our /19 network a

RE: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread John van Oppen
I have ended up excluding .0 and .255 from our DHCP pools in larger than /24 subents due to this exact issue in the past... It is a PITA. I wish people would update filters. John

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread james machado
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 1:55 PM, STARNES, CURTIS wrote: > Sorry for the top post... > > Not necessarily a Level 3 problem but; > > We are announcing our /19 network as one block via BGP through AT&T, not > broken up into smaller announcements. > Earlier in the year I started receiving complaints

Re: $10k per BGP prefix? (was Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements)

2012-08-29 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: >> That's very poor practice. Each announcements costs *other people* the >> better part of $10k per year. > > That sounds ... really really big to me, Bill. Do you have a source > for that cust-accounting number? Hi Jay, The "better part" of

Re: $10k per BGP prefix? (was Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements)

2012-08-29 Thread Peter Kristolaitis
On 12-08-29 04:55 PM, Jay Ashworth wrote: - Original Message - From: "William Herrin" That's very poor practice. Each announcements costs *other people* the better part of $10k per year. That sounds ... really really big to me, Bill. Do you have a source for that cust-accounting numbe

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Grzegorz Janoszka
On 29-08-12 22:55, STARNES, CURTIS wrote: > We are announcing our /19 network as one block via BGP through AT&T, not > broken up into smaller announcements. > Earlier in the year I started receiving complaints that some of our client > systems were having problems connecting to different web site

RE: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread STARNES, CURTIS
Sorry for the top post... Not necessarily a Level 3 problem but; We are announcing our /19 network as one block via BGP through AT&T, not broken up into smaller announcements. Earlier in the year I started receiving complaints that some of our client systems were having problems connecting to d

$10k per BGP prefix? (was Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements)

2012-08-29 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - > From: "William Herrin" > That's very poor practice. Each announcements costs *other people* the > better part of $10k per year. That sounds ... really really big to me, Bill. Do you have a source for that cust-accounting number? Cheers, -- jra '2 or 3 orders of m

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread William Herrin
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 3:28 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: > In practice, We've always advertised our space all the way down to /24's > but also the aggregate block (the /20 or the /21). Just so there was still > reachability to our network in the event that someone made the foolish > mistake of filtering

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Blake Dunlap
> If you have provided addressing from your aggregate to your customer and > they have indicated that they are multi-homing, you need to preserve their > prefix-length in your outbound advertisements, or the redundant provider > carries the inbound traffic. Is this also frowned on? To me, this is

RE: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Paul Vinciguerra
-Original Message- From: Blake Dunlap [mailto:iki...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:00 PM To: n...@flhsi.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Subject: Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: > I hear you guys, It's done that way for a bit of

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Jon Lewis
My more specifics are advertise to customers only (not supposed to be visible to peers), which was how I found that TWT had transitioned from Level3 peer to customer...and I'm only going 1 bit more specific (not down to the /24s) for TE purposes. On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Nick Olsen wrote: Thanks

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Blake Dunlap
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 2:56 PM, Nick Olsen wrote: > I hear you guys, It's done that way for a bit of traffic steering. > > If I could get away with just the aggregates I would, Trust me. > > Nick Olsen > Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 > > > From:

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Nick Olsen
I hear you guys, It's done that way for a bit of traffic steering. If I could get away with just the aggregates I would, Trust me. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: "Berry Mobley" Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 3:45 PM To: nanog@

RE: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Hale, William C
No, that's not standard practice. I do this exact thing with Level 3 and have been for many many many years. Whoever is telling you this must be green. I would recommend adding the no-export community to your more specific routes if you can so as to be a good steward of the ever growing Intern

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Nick Olsen
Thanks for the input Jon. I should note that is exactly what we are doing. The /24's are actually tagged with the advertise to customers, prepend to peers community. Nick Olsen Network Operations (855) FLSPEED x106 From: "Jon Lewis" Sent: Wednesday, Au

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Randy
--- On Wed, 8/29/12, Nick Olsen wrote: > From: Nick Olsen > Subject: Level 3 BGP Advertisements > To: nanog@nanog.org > Date: Wednesday, August 29, 2012, 12:28 PM > Greetings all. > > In practice, We've always advertised our space all the way > down to /24's > but also the aggregate block (the

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Jon Lewis
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012, Nick Olsen wrote: Anyways, I've always thought that was standard practice. And its never been a problem. Until we brought up peering with level 3.. No...I'd call that global table pollution. In general, there's no reason you should announce your CIDRs and all their /24 s

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Berry Mobley
[...] Please, unless you really know why you need to do otherwise, just originate your aggregates. +1

Re: Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Andy Davidson
On 29 Aug 2012, at 20:28, Nick Olsen wrote: > In practice, We've always advertised our space all the way down to /24's > but also the aggregate block (the /20 or the /21). Just so there was still > reachability to our network in the event that someone made the foolish > mistake of filtering l

Level 3 BGP Advertisements

2012-08-29 Thread Nick Olsen
Greetings all. In practice, We've always advertised our space all the way down to /24's but also the aggregate block (the /20 or the /21). Just so there was still reachability to our network in the event that someone made the foolish mistake of filtering lets say prefixes smaller /23... Anyway

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-29 Thread Eduardo Schoedler
MPLS and VPLS on RouterOS works very well. -- Eduardo Schoedler Em 29/08/2012, às 12:39, "Edward J. Dore" escreveu: > MikroTik RouterOS is indeed based on Linux, however I believe they rolled > their own MPLS stack. > > Last time I looked, the "mpls-linux" project over at SourceForge was >

Re: Bird vs Quagga revisited

2012-08-29 Thread Edward J. Dore
MikroTik RouterOS is indeed based on Linux, however I believe they rolled their own MPLS stack. Last time I looked, the "mpls-linux" project over at SourceForge was incomplete and slow - I have no idea if this has changed at all recently however. Edward Dore Freethought Internet - Origin