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Data centers in used nuclear bunkers aren't new - www.thebunker.net has done that for a decade in the UK. They found that having a cool-looking site made it easy to sell to bankers who wanted reassurance about physical security, and at least with the computer technology of the time it was easy to

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> Gadi, > I can't help that you need a few nights away in a lovely Swiss Hotel > in order to help those cynical thoughts lift: > > http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,24732642-5014090,00.html That looks too noisy. This seems to be a little more upscale. http://www.budgettravel.com/bt-

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Gadi, I can't help that you need a few nights away in a lovely Swiss Hotel in order to help those cynical thoughts lift: http://www.news.com.au/travel/story/0,28318,24732642-5014090,00.html :-) MMC On 29/11/2008, at 2:05 PM, Gadi Evron wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote

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--On onsdag, onsdag 3 dec 2008 18.29.54 +0100 Måns Nilsson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In the pretty pictures of the swedish site, there didn't seem to be an >> obvious raised floor. > > There is a raised floor, iirc. There is a raised floor. Have a look at

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--On onsdag, onsdag 3 dec 2008 10.47.28 -0500 Jean-François Mezei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > pardon me for resurrecting this topic... > > For sites that are built in caves, how do they deal with cabling ? Like any datacenter. Raceways on top of racks or under the floor. _Proper_ datacentres

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pardon me for resurrecting this topic... For sites that are built in caves, how do they deal with cabling ? In the pretty pictures of the swedish site, there didn't seem to be an obvious raised floor. And it appeared to be solid concrete floor between the wings containing the systems. And no mas

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On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 21:49 +, Nick Hilliard wrote: > chuck goolsbee wrote: > > would look, other than the granite walls > > On the subject of suitability problems, unless there is good air > circulation in these bunkers from the outside, radon seepage from the > surrounding granite has the p

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On Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:26:51 EST, The Anarcat said: > Am I the only one thinking that shady lights, tropical fog, creepy > tunnels, blue/colored lights, and *waterfalls* are *bad* things in a > datacenter? Well, across the hall we have: Photo-op version: http://www.vtnews.vt.edu/story.php?relyea

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> > But we aren't talking about the military here, are we? We are talking > about an ISP on an ISP forum. > > > > Yes but in a disaster scenario where critical communication links > are down the military would respond and reestablish the links, if for > nothing else to re establish situationa

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Deepak Jain wrote: I bet the military or emergency services can establish a 10km fiber stretch in a few hours. Replacing some telecom hw and set it up from scratch would probably take weeks (I'm not talking about a single router here). But we aren't talking about the military here, are we?

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> I bet the military or emergency services can establish a 10km fiber > stretch in a few hours. Replacing some telecom hw and set it up from > scratch would probably take weeks (I'm not talking about a single > router > here). But we aren't talking about the military here, are we? We are talking a

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chuck goolsbee wrote: > would look, other than the granite walls On the subject of suitability problems, unless there is good air circulation in these bunkers from the outside, radon seepage from the surrounding granite has the potential to cause a lot of health problems for any unlucky punter who

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Speaking as a Datacenter Manager who (believe it or not) at one time was an Art Director, I have to say that the "ambience" in those photographs, in the form of fog, odd/colored lighting, etc. was certainly created at the time of the photo shoot by an Art Director ... with delusions (illusions)

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>>> This discussion about plants, waterfalls and humidity is getting more >>> and more off-tropic... >> >> Humidity is not off topic for a general or specific datacenter >> conversation - it's a fairly routine issue in facilities. > >*woosh* > >tropic... not topic. It's a joke. :) D'oh. Serves

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George William Herbert wrote: > > Johnny writes: >>This discussion about plants, waterfalls and humidity is getting more >>and more off-tropic... > > Humidity is not off topic for a general or specific datacenter > conversation - it's a fairly routine issue in facilities. > > NANOG isn't facilities

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George William Herbert wrote: Johnny writes: This discussion about plants, waterfalls and humidity is getting more and more off-tropic... Humidity is not off topic for a general or specific datacenter conversation - it's a fairly routine issue in facilities. *woosh* tropic... not

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> From: Marshall Eubanks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 15:15 > > This is of course off-off-topic, but I would suspect the room > temperature ultrasonic > misters, not dry ice or wood smoke. Still off-topic, but I hope they used distilled water. If the water has a m

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Johnny writes: >This discussion about plants, waterfalls and humidity is getting more >and more off-tropic... Humidity is not off topic for a general or specific datacenter conversation - it's a fairly routine issue in facilities. NANOG isn't facilities focused but I think that it comes up enoug

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> Marshall wrote: > >This is of course off-off-topic, but I would suspect the room > >temperature ultrasonic > >misters, not dry ice or wood smoke. > > > >Regards > >Marshall > > Concur. > > As anyone who works with air conditioning knows, ultrasonic are > the low maintenance option for your hu

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I would agree with the psychological effects. That would be a downside to working in a place that aside from that is so unbelievably kickass. -Original Message- From: Jeff Shultz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:28 PM To: NANOG list Subject: Re: an over-the

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Marshall wrote: >This is of course off-off-topic, but I would suspect the room >temperature ultrasonic >misters, not dry ice or wood smoke. > >Regards >Marshall Concur. As anyone who works with air conditioning knows, ultrasonic are the low maintenance option for your humidifier units anyways.

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Marshall Eubanks wrote: On Dec 2, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Brian Raaen wrote: Maybe it isn't dry ice Maybe it is from liquid oxygen, in which case it better be a smoke free workplace. This is of course off-off-topic, but I would suspect the room temperature ultrasonic misters, not dry ice

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On Dec 2, 2008, at 2:25 PM, Brian Raaen wrote: Maybe it isn't dry ice Maybe it is from liquid oxygen, in which case it better be a smoke free workplace. This is of course off-off-topic, but I would suspect the room temperature ultrasonic misters, not dry ice or wood smoke. Regards

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Maybe it isn't dry ice Maybe it is from liquid oxygen, in which case it better be a smoke free workplace. -- Brian Raaen Network Engineer [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Tuesday 02 December 2008, Jay Hennigan wrote: > The Anarcat wrote: > > On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:19:36AM -05

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The Anarcat wrote: On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:19:36AM -0500, Jeremy Jackson wrote: Seems like dry-ice was used to make the "tropical fog" in the photos, not water poured over hot rocks like a sauna/bath house. I've tried to avoid stating the obvious reading through all this funny thread, but I

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On Tue, Dec 02, 2008 at 11:19:36AM -0500, Jeremy Jackson wrote: > Seems like dry-ice was used to make the "tropical fog" in the photos, > not water poured over hot rocks like a sauna/bath house. I've tried to avoid stating the obvious reading through all this funny thread, but I can't help it now.

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2 dec 2008, at 00.47, Randy Bush wrote: Despite the huge amount of "content which transcends the language barrier" [tip of the hat wbn], it is worth noting that there is a non-trivial amount of language-/culture-specific traffic that doesn't nee

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On Nov 28, 2008, at 8:34 AM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-designed-data-center-fit-for-a-james-bond-villain/ (No, I don't know if it's real or not.) --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb It has become de ri

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On Nov 28, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Jean-François Mezei wrote: Måns Nilsson wrote: Exactly where is of course known in the business, but not so well that it is OK to post their locations on Nanog. The problem with this mentality is that it does not deter those wishing to do harm to the data

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On Tue, 2008-12-02 at 10:33 +0100, Måns Nilsson wrote: > > 4) With all of that fog and plant life, I wonder how they critically > > manage humidity. [Or if they even do]. > > I have been told by people who have been working with the construction of > this very site that it is an unusually dry ca

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On 1 Dec 2008, at 19:19, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: An alternative would be to run a microwave link to shore, but I'm not sure I would want to bet the farm on the mechanics necessary to keep the dish aligned. Actually this is pretty straightforward. Systems exist for getting rock steady

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Mikael Abrahamsson wrote: On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Deepak Jain wrote: 3) No one cares if the server farm is blast proof (it isn't), if the connectivity in/out of it gets blasted (submessage: silos were meant to deliver one thing, datacenters aren't in the same operational model once they need conn

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--On måndag, måndag 1 dec 2008 18.19.14 -0500 Deepak Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1) This datacenter is only 12,000 sq ft. (submessage: who cares?) For some things, it is OK. It is not the only one, only the best marketed one. > 2) The generators are underground. A leak in their exhaust sy

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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008, Deepak Jain wrote: 3) No one cares if the server farm is blast proof (it isn't), if the connectivity in/out of it gets blasted (submessage: silos were meant to deliver one thing, datacenters aren't in the same operational model once they need connectivity to the outside wor

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On 28-Nov-08, at 7:35 PM, Gadi Evron wrote: On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: It seems that all these cases are more under the bottom than over the top. Every couple of years there is a story about some anti virus company, data center, or whatever running out of an old n

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> Despite the huge amount of "content which transcends the language > barrier" [tip of the hat wbn], it is worth noting that there is > a non-trivial amount of language-/culture-specific traffic that > doesn't need or want to traverse globally (viz massive IXes & large > xTTH deplyoments in other

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On Mon, Dec 01, 2008 at 08:14:20PM +0100, Kurt Erik Lindqvist wrote: [snip] > On 1 dec 2008, at 15.08, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: [snip] > >I don't think any IXP can become a significant player on the > >Internet today by only attracting participants from the country in > >question. The Interne

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Apologies to the list. I didn't know whether to fork this into a couple of replies, or just run with it. I chose the latter. 1) This datacenter is only 12,000 sq ft. (submessage: who cares?) 2) The generators are underground. A leak in their exhaust system kills everyone -- worse, a leak in

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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > The Internet can be mission critical. (Well, not really, but it's =20 > trying.) And for something mission critical, a single point, no =20 > matter how well reinforced, is not good enough. It may not be "mission critical" for any one particular client, but when you b

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On Monday 01 December 2008 16:34:26 Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:03:39 -0500 > Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You mean something akin to Sealand's HavenCo? Yes, I know that's an > > old fort, and not a ship, but a similar concept at least. > HavenCo, which ran a da

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On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 16:34, Steven M. Bellovin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > HavenCo, which ran a datacenter on the "nation" of Sealand, is > no longer operating there: Which is the same story for most (if not all) of these hype-driven "bullet-proof" data centers. I recall a .com CEO espousing t

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Steven M. Bellovin wrote: HavenCo, which ran a datacenter on the "nation" of Sealand, is no longer operating there: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/11/25/havenco/ --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb If you do a bit more research on that one, it never got

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On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 16:03:39 -0500 Lamar Owen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Monday 01 December 2008 13:27:30 Danny McPherson wrote: > > On a related noted, some have professed that adapting old > > ships into data centers would provide eco-friendly secure > > data center solutions. > > You mea

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On Monday 01 December 2008 13:27:30 Danny McPherson wrote: > On a related noted, some have professed that adapting old > ships into data centers would provide eco-friendly secure > data center solutions. You mean something akin to Sealand's HavenCo? Yes, I know that's an old fort, and not a sh

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Patrick, On 1 dec 2008, at 02.33, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Nov 28, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Jean-François Mezei wrote: The thing about a carrier hotel is that it cannot be a secret location

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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 - -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 1 dec 2008, at 15.08, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:58 AM, Måns Nilsson wrote: --On söndag, söndag 30 nov 2008 23.05.01 -0500 "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In

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Not if the ship is literally encased in concrete at the shore. Which solves all your other problems as well. But that's not a ship, it's a building. There are even examples of actual free-floating ships which have been stable for a decade or more. And many counter-examples. --lyndon

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Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On 1-Dec-08, at 10:27 AM, Danny McPherson wrote: On a related noted, some have professed that adapting old ships into data centers would provide eco-friendly secure data center solutions. Your data connection to sh

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On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: On 1-Dec-08, at 10:27 AM, Danny McPherson wrote: On a related noted, some have professed that adapting old ships into data centers would provide eco-friendly secure data center solutions. Your data connection to shore is going to be tenuous

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On Dec 1, 2008, at 2:05 PM, Jean-François Mezei wrote: Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: End of day, an IXP is not some magical thing. It is an ethernet switch allowing multiple networks to exchange traffic more easily than direct interconnection - and that is all it should be. It should not be mi

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On 1-Dec-08, at 10:27 AM, Danny McPherson wrote: On a related noted, some have professed that adapting old ships into data centers would provide eco-friendly secure data center solutions. Your data connection to shore is going to be tenuous at best. One good blow strong enough to make you dr

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Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > End of day, an IXP is not some magical thing. It is an ethernet > switch allowing multiple networks to exchange traffic more easily than > direct interconnection - and that is all it should be. It should not > be mission critical. Treating it as such raises the

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--On måndag, måndag 1 dec 2008 11.53.58 -0500 "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Måns Nilsson wrote: > >>> End of day, an IXP is not some magical thing. It is an ethernet >>> switch >>> allowing multiple networks to exchange traffic more easily than

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On Nov 28, 2008, at 6:34 AM, Steven M. Bellovin wrote: http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-designed-data-center-fit-for-a-james-bond-villain/ (No, I don't know if it's real or not.) I recall visiting something of this sort a couple years back.. On a related noted, some

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On Sun, 2008-11-30 at 23:05 -0500, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > Now compare that to forcing every single participant to use unknown > fiber paths into an unknown facility. When are these fibers groomed, > and onto which unknown paths? Which fiber maintenance schedules might > impact me wit

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On Dec 1, 2008, at 11:06 AM, Måns Nilsson wrote: End of day, an IXP is not some magical thing. It is an ethernet switch allowing multiple networks to exchange traffic more easily than direct interconnection - and that is all it should be. It should not be mission critical. Treating it as

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--On måndag, måndag 1 dec 2008 09.08.09 -0500 "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't think any IXP can become a significant player on the Internet > today by only attracting participants from the country in question. The > Internet is not bound by political borders. (Usually.

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hint: your continued ad homina do not help your argument > By your logic, every IXP which has any participants is a good model and > cannot be improved. the criterion you set was success, not perfection. netnod is quite successful. is this discussion successful? i think not. good bye and good

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On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:30 AM, Randy Bush wrote: some go to sweden for the weather. some go for netnode. netnode does not go to them. and yes, netnod is bunkered up the ying yang. qed. By your logic, every IXP which has any participants is a good model and cannot be improved. An obvious lo

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some go to sweden for the weather. some go for netnode. netnode does not go to them. and yes, netnod is bunkered up the ying yang. qed. randy

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On Dec 1, 2008, at 9:12 AM, Randy Bush wrote: I don't think any IXP can become a significant player on the Internet today by only attracting participants from the country in question. netnod is very successful. i guess they must operate from more than sweden, then, eh? NetNod is successful.

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> I don't think any IXP can become a significant player on the Internet > today by only attracting participants from the country in question. netnod is very successful. i guess they must operate from more than sweden, then, eh? engineers judge by results, not word count. randy

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On Dec 1, 2008, at 4:58 AM, Måns Nilsson wrote: --On söndag, söndag 30 nov 2008 23.05.01 -0500 "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In Sweden, the reason to not choose NetNod (and to go with the smaller exchangepoints) is price and only price. No swedish ISP I know of has stated tha

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--On söndag, söndag 30 nov 2008 23.05.01 -0500 "Patrick W. Gilmore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Niels Bakker wrote: >>> I was going to say 'this probably hinders customers adoption at >>> NetNod', but I know for a fact the "probably" is superfluous. > I didn't sa

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On Nov 30, 2008, at 10:50 PM, Niels Bakker wrote: * [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick W. Gilmore) [Mon 01 Dec 2008, 02:34 CET]: On Nov 28, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Jean-François Mezei wrote: The advantage of this swedish data centre is that even if its location is well known, it is pretty hard to harm the b

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* [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Patrick W. Gilmore) [Mon 01 Dec 2008, 02:34 CET]: On Nov 28, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Jean-François Mezei wrote: The advantage of this swedish data centre is that even if its location is well known, it is pretty hard to harm the building. You can't run a truck full of explosives i

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> >Fault free datacenters include neither people, nor computers, nor >connectivity, nor HVAC, nor electricity. If you can eliminate those >things you will have a 100% uptime datacenter. > >Andrew Is this the network equivalent of Yin and Yang, or Darkness and Light being the same? Perhaps it is

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Patrick W. Gilmore wrote: > On Nov 28, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Jean-François Mezei wrote: > >> The thing about a carrier hotel is that it cannot be a secret location >> since you need to allow various carriers and ISPs to have physical >> access to the building so they can install/manage their >> servers

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On Nov 28, 2008, at 4:04 PM, Jean-François Mezei wrote: The thing about a carrier hotel is that it cannot be a secret location since you need to allow various carriers and ISPs to have physical access to the building so they can install/manage their servers/routers/switches. The advantage of th

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On Fri, 2008-11-28 at 16:19 -0500, William Allen Simpson wrote: > At one point some time ago, on NANOG we discussed putting exchanges in old > minuteman silos. (so long ago a quick Google didn't find it -- where are all > the old NANOG archives?) > http://markmail.org/search/?q=list%3Aedu.meri

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On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, Howard C. Berkowitz wrote: It seems that all these cases are more under the bottom than over the top. Every couple of years there is a story about some anti virus company, data center, or whatever running out of an old nuclear bunker/military base/middle of no where. I

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Buhrmaster, Gary wrote: > > >> -Original Message- >> From: Steven M. Bellovin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:35 AM >> To: nanog@nanog.org >> Subject: an over-the-top data center >> >> http://royal.pingdom.c

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On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 7:03 AM, Buhrmaster, Gary <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > One could consider purchasing the underground tunnels > in downtown London that BT is selling to build a > competing "over-the-top" data center. That's a "below the surface" datacenter, innit? srs (ok, I'll get my coat

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> -Original Message- > From: Steven M. Bellovin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 5:35 AM > To: nanog@nanog.org > Subject: an over-the-top data center > > http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-desi > gned-data-cen

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On Nov 28, 2008, at 4:33 PM, Joe Abley wrote: On 2008-11-28, at 16:04, Jean-François Mezei wrote: If you look at Toronto, the main carrier hotel is quite famous at 151 Front Street, very near to the main train station, convention centre etc (aka: right at the core of the downtown). People

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On 2008-11-28, at 16:04, Jean-François Mezei wrote: If you look at Toronto, the main carrier hotel is quite famous at 151 Front Street, very near to the main train station, convention centre etc (aka: right at the core of the downtown). People who do not know about the internet infrastructur

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On Fri, 28 Nov 2008, William Allen Simpson wrote: > At one point some time ago, on NANOG we discussed putting exchanges in old > minuteman silos. (so long ago a quick Google didn't find it -- where are > all > the old NANOG archives?) > http://www.irbs.net/internet/nanog/9708/0159.html http://

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Måns Nilsson wrote: These data centres are designed to Swedish military command center specifications (not like Cheyenne Mountain but significantly better than, say, a Minuteman site) At one point some time ago, on NANOG we discussed putting exchanges in old minuteman silos. (so long ago a qui

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Måns Nilsson wrote: > Exactly where is of course known in the business, but not so well that it > is OK to post their locations on Nanog. The problem with this mentality is that it does not deter those wishing to do harm to the data centre or corporation. For banks, I think the biggest advantag

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--On fredag, fredag 28 nov 2008 17.10.14 + Simon Waters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm thinking physical security is over done in some data centers. Sure it > is a great idea to make sure no one steals the hardware, but much beyond > that and allowing in expected personnel only, it soon ge

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On Friday 28 November 2008 16:41:45 Craig Holland wrote: > Just me, or is showing the floorplan not the typical behavior of a > super-secure anything? I'm not sure anyone but the press are claiming anything is super secure there. I can't imagine being in a bunker makes physical security worse (al

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It's the "double-dog-dare". :) Scott -Original Message- From: Craig Holland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 11:42 AM To: Måns Nilsson; Steven M. Bellovin; NANOG Subject: Re: an over-the-top data center Just me, or is showing the floorplan

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Craig Holland wrote: > Just me, or is showing the floorplan not the typical behavior of a > super-secure anything? > You mean, security through obscurity? --Patrick

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Just me, or is showing the floorplan not the typical behavior of a super-secure anything? --Original Message-- From: Måns Nilsson To: Steven M. Bellovin To: NANOG Sent: Nov 28, 2008 6:52 AM Subject: Re: an over-the-top data center --On fredag, fredag 28 nov 2008 08.34.33 -0500 "S

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Steven M. Bellovin wrote: > http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-designed-data-center-fit-for-a-james-bond-villain/ > (No, I don't know if it's real or not.) more images: http://www.archdaily.com/9257/pionen-%E2%80%93-white-mountain-albert-france-lanord-architects/ cheers, ra

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--On fredag, fredag 28 nov 2008 08.34.33 -0500 "Steven M. Bellovin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-designed-data-c > enter-fit-for-a-james-bond-villain/ (No, I don't know if it's real or > not.) It is. The server space is outside the blastp

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http://royal.pingdom.com/2008/11/14/the-worlds-most-super-designed-data-center-fit-for-a-james-bond-villain/ (No, I don't know if it's real or not.) --Steve Bellovin, http://www.cs.columbia.edu/~smb