Java .class files MUST go to the server in BINARY - never in ASCII This is number one on the hit list of common errors. If you send the .class file up in ASCII, the browser basically can't read the file, since it's looking for a binary Java executable. Variously, the browser status bar might report a number of errors, often "class file not found" - or it may just sit there dumb as a bag of dead flies. (This depends on the browser and version.) If in doubt, send the class file up again. Oh shoot I bet I sent that last email using HTML whoops sorry, as I lie here in bed typing I forget about the rest of you nerds and forget this is a soft spot. Sorry, Just wanted to ask then share. Sorry. Im Sorry.. Sorry about the HTML, Sorry. Becky, (who forgets the computer health of others as she explores the life stream of technological rudiments).