Yes this is the same problem, but I added the additional error that I get and it might now make sense to someone. I have just installed 8.0 on a Pavilion n5450 and it went GREAT.. everything was detected and working. Haven't messed with the nic card yet though. When i try Tuxracer I receive this error: xlib: extension "GTX" missing on display ":0.0" Tuxracer error: Couldn't initalize video: Couldn't find matching GLX visual (Success). I have the S3 Savage/ix w/MV video card. I have the latest driver, but do no where to copy it to after I untar it. Any help will be greatly aappreciated. Thanks Don __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get personalized email addresses from Yahoo! Mail http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/