On Wednesday 28 November 2001 08:53 am, Anuerin G. Diaz wrote:
Many good valid points snipped here>
> 2) Elitist? Being elitist does not necessarily mean a negative trait, its
> just most people associate elitism with snobbishness and arrogance. I dont
> think this list is elitist (negatively
d IE
> installed for testing my websites.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Mark D'voo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:50 AM
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer
&g
Matt,
Considering that Wild Bill and the Redmond Bunch just called open source (ala
Free) software "Unamerican", I doubt that they would ever put their browser
on my beloved desktop (it would find it's way pretty quickly to the /dev/null
directory!).
Gimme a chance to break outa the fog I've
On Tuesday 27 November 2001 17:11, you spoke unto me thusly:
> Well, out of all the replies in this thread that I saw, here is one that at
> least offers a possible solution to the original, simple, question. I hate
sorry i can't provide more, i have only seen it, not done it. was IE 5
running
speaking of browsers, can any one help me out here by telling me how to beautify
my netsape 6.2 with better fonts ? I already tried webfonts4linux and it
still looks the same although my Kconquerer looks much better. any help is
appreciated. thanks.
Dave Sherman wrote:
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On
On Tuesday 27 November 2001 11:54 am, shane wrote:
> not again...
>
> first, you can run it by setting up wine. that is all i know, i don't use
> it or wine, but there it is, second..
>
> you can use konqueror, netscape, mozilla, opera, galleon, hell use lynx
> even, why use the biggest P
On Tuesday 27 November 2001 16:52, you wrote:
> so complain to the DOJ they let ms give away a crap browser despite being
> guilty of abusing their monopoly
>
don't you just know the settlement will allow the to offer "discount" pricing
to poor schools, so a dis-advantaged school can g
so complain to the DOJ they let ms give away a crap browser despite being
guilty of abusing their monopoly
On Tuesday 27 November 2001 10:20, you spoke unto me thusly:
> Try to keep in mind that some of us are web designers, and we try to
> test our websites on all browsers on all platf
useful.
On the other hand, Solaris has (or will have in the next version, I can't remember) a
Linux compatibility layer built in.
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From: "Franki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 00:42:11 +0800
Subject: RE:
On Tue, 2001-11-27 at 05:50, Mark D'voo wrote:
> i agree, galeon is better than any browser to date, the only reason i have
> wine on my computer right now is for return to castle wolfenstein, but when
> the linux binaries come out in a week, bye bye wine
>
> On Tuesday 27 November 2001 23:40,
i agree, galeon is better than any browser to date, the only reason i have
wine on my computer right now is for return to castle wolfenstein, but when
the linux binaries come out in a week, bye bye wine
On Tuesday 27 November 2001 23:40, you wrote:
> I see no reason to run IE on Linux. Attempti
not again...
first, you can run it by setting up wine. that is all i know, i don't use it
or wine, but there it is, second..
you can use konqueror, netscape, mozilla, opera, galleon, hell use lynx even,
why use the biggest POS ever built???
or as a web page i once saw said:
Where do
On Tuesday 27 November 2001 01:25 pm, you wrote:
> I have seen screen shots of people running this on linux and was
> wondering where I could find it. Any and all help would be appreciated.
Are you sure it wasn't the Unix version? IE was made available for some
flavors of Unix, but not Linux.
gds
Frank
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Dave Sherman
Sent: Wednesday, 28 November 2001 12:40 AM
To: Mandrake-newbie
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer
On Tue, 2001-11-27 at 13:25, E Estes wrote:
> I have seen screen shots of p
On Tue, 2001-11-27 at 13:25, E Estes wrote:
> I have seen screen shots of people running this on linux and was wondering where I
>could find it. Any and all help would be appreciated.
You will need to use either Win4Lin or VMWare to run Windows under
Linux, in order to use MSIE. MS will not r
partition magic can't resize if it is a server version...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Charles A Edwards
Sent: 27 October 2001 07:03
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer for Mandrake 7.2?
On Sat, 27 Oct
On Sat, 27 Oct 2001 11:23:47 +1300
Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It will probably still be possible to put in a second drive and dual
> boot into
> linux. Someone will have checked it out by now.
>
> Just as an aside. Have you noticed how in text mode "XP" looks like a
> smiley
> for some
It will probably still be possible to put in a second drive and dual
boot into
linux. Someone will have checked it out by now.
Just as an aside. Have you noticed how in text mode "XP" looks like a
smiley
for someone dead or dying. Elmer Fudd's advice to M$ "Be wery wery
carefull -
he he he".
Der
>Linux still have a long way to go, compared to where microsoft is... So,
>learn from the strength of microsoft, and combine both to win ppl over...
>and not argue among urselves, and accomplish nothing except to maybe plant
>seeds of disunity...
>If Linux really rise up to the occasion, I am will
t; To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer for Mandrake 7.2?
>
>
> on 10/26/01 11:20 AM, Loke Kit Kai at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Guys, let stop arguing about these stuffs... It's not going to bring down
> > Microsoft, nor lift up Linux
On Fri, 26 Oct 2001 11:18:14 -0500, Matt Greer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> on 10/26/01 10:52 AM, Franki at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Yeah, I agree, I just disagree with some of your statements,
> >
> I think for the most part we agree, we're just arguing the details.
>
> > particularly th
)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matt Greer
Sent: Friday, 26 October 2001 11:44 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer for Mandrake 7.2?
on 10/26/01 10:12 AM, Franki at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> As for your commen
yes, mainly the "good technical reasons" are that if you have xp anywhere in
your network and want to share files from it you need to upgrade all of your
machines to insure everything works correctly.
...spreads like a virus don't it?
On Friday 26 October 2001 03:23, you spoke
on 10/26/01 10:12 AM, Franki at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> As for your comment on it being fine for M$ to use the kernel instead of the
> API's then you havent been reading the thread on this, there are heaps of
> reasons why that shouldn't be done. security realiability... etc..
>
It's hardly g
On Friday 26 October 2001 08:21, you spoke unto me thusly:
the Windows OS?? Their lack of ethics is the stuff legends are made from!
>
> Ethics is one thing, legality is another. I've stated several times in this
> thread I don't like MS at all. Just because I don't like them doesn't mean
> I aut
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Sent: Friday, 26 October 2001 10:31 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer for Mandrake 7.2?
on 10/26/01 12:13 AM, Franki at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> All I wish to say is that the reason the US Judge wanted to split M$ into
> two
on 10/26/01 10:03 AM, michael at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> But that basically turns it into MS providing Windows as a "charity" to the
>> industry so other companies can compete on it.
> Huh??
That would put MS in the position of providing Windows just so the industry
can keep going.
>> Why s
On Friday 26 October 2001 07:30 am, you wrote:
> on 10/26/01 12:13 AM, Franki at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > All I wish to say is that the reason the US Judge wanted to split M$ into
> > two or
> > more companies was to split the OS off from the rest of their offerings.
> > So that the applicatio
on 10/26/01 12:13 AM, Franki at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> All I wish to say is that the reason the US Judge wanted to split M$ into
> two or
> more companies was to split the OS off from the rest of their offerings.
> So that the application M$ would be on even ground with everyone else
> writi
Very interesting article
It occurs to me that since so few PC's are sold with Linux preloaded, and
new XP computers will have their discs formatted in NTFS, within 2
or 3 years Linux will be squeezed out. Consumers will be unable to try out
Linux even if they wanted to. Most people are no
On Thursday 25 October 2001 10:13 pm, you wrote:
>
> I realized after I sent that I worded my post poorly. I do believe
> MS has an unfair monopoly and probably got there with the help of
> some illegal practices.
>
> But I don't think MS having more knowledge of the workings of
> Windows is nece
I realized after I sent that I worded my post poorly. I do believe MS has an
unfair monopoly and probably got there with the help of some illegal
practices.
But I don't think MS having more knowledge of the workings of Windows is
necessarily unfair. If they use that knowledge to shut out competi
In reply to Sridhar Dhanapalan's words, written Fri, 26 Oct 2001 03:39:22
+1000
>Here are some interesting articles I found regarding Microsoft's misuse of
>monopoly power:
>
>http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1115/byt20010824s0001/
>http://www.infoanarchy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/10/23/17629/
Here are some interesting articles I found regarding Microsoft's misuse of
monopoly power:
http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1115/byt20010824s0001/
http://www.infoanarchy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/10/23/17629/221
--
Sridhar Dhanapalan
"I was never a "big thinker". One of my philosophies in L
Here are some interesting articles I found regarding Microsoft's misuse of
monopoly power:
http://www.byte.com/documents/s=1115/byt20010824s0001/
http://www.infoanarchy.org/?op=displaystory;sid=2001/10/23/17629/221
--
Sridhar Dhanapalan
"I was never a "big thinker". One of my philosophies in L
On Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:36:43 -0700, "John Hokanson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Wednesday 24 October 2001 07:53 am, you wrote:
> > Matt Greer wrote:
> > > You missed the point. MS isn't required to create apps through
> > > the Windows API. They've got the whole run of the OS, considering
On Wednesday 24 October 2001 07:53 am, you wrote:
> Matt Greer wrote:
> > You missed the point. MS isn't required to create apps through
> > the Windows API. They've got the whole run of the OS, considering
> > they made it. Which means they can do things no one else can. So
> > IE has advantages
...the courts for one. ;)
On Wednesday 24 October 2001 07:53, you spoke unto me thusly:
>
> I won't go any further except to say there are quite a few people that
> believe that some of the methods used to obtain and maintain their
> monopoly were unfair and possibly illegal.
--
...in a world
> wrote:
> > On Monday 22 October 2001 04:07 pm, you wrote:
> > > On Monday 22 October 2001 05:11 pm, you wrote:
> > > > On Monday 22 October 2001 02:50 pm, you wrote:
> > > > > In reply to Eric Baber's words, written Mon, 22 Oct 2001
> > > > > 17:07:10 +0100
> > > > >
> > > > > Spoken like a true
> > I personally believe that Microsoft Internet Explorer is the best web
> > browser out there.
> >
> > For any platform.
> >
> > Period.
>
> Perhaps if you like the following:
>
> 1. The browser is automatically installed and starts up at every boot
whether
> you want it or not (which explains w
you are kidding right? the browser that loads virus directly from web pages?
the browser that for a while featured "write once, write anywhere, even over
your system files" technology? the browser that doesn't even pretend to try
to be standards compliant?
...and talk about small! try upgr
on 10/23/01 1:57 AM, Sridhar Dhanapalan at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 5. You don't want to ever use Java. In a move against Sun, Java support has
> been
> discontinued in IE6.
>
Actually I dont ever want to use Java in a webpage. I hate java applets.
Most people forget or don't realize there's
Hello!
> Don't forget MacOS and MacOSX. The latter could qualify as a form of Unix.
>
> I wonder why MS sees Linux as a threat and not these other Unices. I
> suppose since it can run on the x86?
Because Linux is dangerous for MS, and MacOS, HP-UX, Solaris, etc are not.
The reason is simply tha
> > Spoken like a true newbie. Linux and Microsoft do not mix.
>
>Could we PLEASE be a little nicer to the poor guy.
>
>They *DO* have IE for non-Microsoft operating systems. I believe Sun
>has a variant, and they were doing one for HP-UX.
IE is also the browser of choice on the Mac. It evens wo
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 00:08:51 -0700, "John Hokanson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > Well on their way?
> >
> > They obtained the code from another company who had made it as a
> > variant of the Mosaic client. The deal was for a "percentage of
> > sales". Wow, did that other company make
On Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:02:23 -0700, "John Hokanson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Monday 22 October 2001 04:07 pm, you wrote:
> > On Monday 22 October 2001 05:11 pm, you wrote:
> > > On Monday 22 October 2001 02:50 pm, you wrote:
> > > > In reply to Eric Baber's words, written Mon, 22 Oct 20
>
> Well on their way?
>
> They obtained the code from another company who had made it as a
> variant of the Mosaic client. The deal was for a "percentage of
> sales". Wow, did that other company make a killing! 95% market
> share times nothing!
If you're referring to MSIE 1.0/2.0 (which was i
On Monday 22 October 2001 16:02, John Hokanson Jr. wrote:
> On Monday 22 October 2001 04:07 pm, you wrote:
> > On Monday 22 October 2001 05:11 pm, you wrote:
> > > On Monday 22 October 2001 02:50 pm, you wrote:
> > > > In reply to Eric Baber's words, written Mon, 22 Oct 2001
> > > > 17:07:10 +0100
Hi,
I DO know that I have seen a Unix version of Internet Explorer, however,
I do NOT know if it will run on Linux, and whether or not the source is
available. Just go to Microsoft's website, and you should be able to find
the information there about IE for Unix.
HTH,
David Charles
On Mon, 22
On Monday 22 October 2001 04:07 pm, you wrote:
> On Monday 22 October 2001 05:11 pm, you wrote:
> > On Monday 22 October 2001 02:50 pm, you wrote:
> > > In reply to Eric Baber's words, written Mon, 22 Oct 2001
> > > 17:07:10 +0100
> > >
> > > Spoken like a true newbie. Linux and Microsoft do not m
On Monday 22 October 2001 05:11 pm, you wrote:
> On Monday 22 October 2001 02:50 pm, you wrote:
> > In reply to Eric Baber's words, written Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:07:10
> > +0100
> >
> > Spoken like a true newbie. Linux and Microsoft do not mix.
>
> Could we PLEASE be a little nicer to the poor guy.
On Monday 22 October 2001 02:50 pm, you wrote:
> In reply to Eric Baber's words, written Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:07:10
> +0100
>
> Spoken like a true newbie. Linux and Microsoft do not mix.
Could we PLEASE be a little nicer to the poor guy.
They *DO* have IE for non-Microsoft operating systems. I
On Tue, 23 Oct 2001 04:31:55 -0800
"Allen H" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> cleverly noted:
> Try Opera, it's better than NetCaptor on Windows,
> which is just IE with a tabbed interface, and is skinnable too,
> also has that (not-so) irritating advert pasted on the toolbar,
> reminding you to do the resp
> I'm a complete Linux newbie and am just finding my way around. I've
> searched a newsgroup and several web-archives, along with the
> Microsoft site, for information about an Internet Explorer version
> that'll work on Mandrake 7.2. Is there such a thing? I haven't been
> able to find it on the
On Monday 22 October 2001 08:07, Eric Baber wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm a complete Linux newbie and am just finding my way around. I've
> searched a newsgroup and several web-archives, along with the
> Microsoft site, for information about an Internet Explorer version
> that'll work on Mandrake 7.2.
In reply to Eric Baber's words, written Mon, 22 Oct 2001 17:07:10 +0100
Spoken like a true newbie. Linux and Microsoft do not mix. There is no
Internet Exploiter for Linux. So your search was accurate.
You can have Netscape, Galeon, Mozilla and Opera, and a bunch more.
Paul
>I'm a complete Linu
From: Sean Pritchard [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 6:00 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer
Wait a minute Fellow Newbies!
I thought that one reason we started converting to Linux was to break
away from MS systems and Apps?
If we s
; -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael
> Scottaline
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 2:00 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [[newbie] Internet Explorer]
>
>
> Donny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Donny
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 1:35 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [newbie] Internet Explorer
>
>
> ok, thanx... wenz the version of IE for linux gonna be availible?
In reply to sean's resopnse:
Hay man, Although linux is great, it still wont take down MS for many years to
come. I dont think one OS os better than the other. I use each for different
things... Linux is great to compete with MS, and give people a choice. But were
still gonna have to live with bo
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> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernhard
> Rosenkraenzer
> Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 1:24 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer
>
> On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Donny wrote:
>
> >
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Sean Pritchard
> Sent: 20 September 1999 23:00
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer
>
>
> Wait a minute Fellow Newbies!
>
> I t
Wait a minute Fellow Newbies!
I thought that one reason we started converting to Linux was to break
away from MS systems and Apps?
If we start putting in requests for MS Apps, MS will bungle up the
beauty of this OS and it's community. I am not a purist, but in look at
it this way. If I own a
Why don't you send email to Microsoft and ask them. I'm sure they will
laugh and laugh and laugh. Just try Netscape or Lynx and soon we will
have Opera and Mozilla. Other than that, don't hold your breath.
Brian
-Original Message-
From: Donny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>ok, thanx... wenz
Donny <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hey, does anyone know of a version of IE for linux? Or if any of the
> Unix versions of IE will run under linux?
>
> Thanks!
==
No such animal AFAIK. Too bad. It's one of the better M$ products :o(
Mike
ok, thanx... wenz the version of IE for linux gonna be availible?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Bernhard
Rosenkraenzer
Sent: Monday, September 20, 1999 1:24 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer
On Mon, 20
Ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
opera software www.opersoftware.com is almost done with its port. If you're
unhappy with netscape, you may want to follow it's development. ( I should
clarify and say this is the port of the opera web browser, not msie )
Ben
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From: Michael Scottaline <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 7:45 AM
Subject: Re: [[newbie] Internet Explorer for Linux? Is there such a thing???]
> The Postman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I see that
Sorry, that's about the size of things... you have to go to Microsoft.com
and find their "IE" web page and download IE from there (although WHY you'd
want to "pollute" your Open-Source O/S with a closed-source browser is
beyond me! Besides...that's supporting the "evil empire" of Bill Gates!
)
Why? What's the point? How 'bout Windows for linux, gimme a break!
JC
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From: Richard Lamont <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 4:10 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer for Linux? Is there such a t
It's me again. This should answer your question:
Micrsoft doesn't support Internet Explorer for Linux
James Ryan
Thursday Mar 18, 1999
Occupation: PROGRAMMER
Location: TORONTO
No emotion for me. Fact is Micrsoft doesn't support Internet Explorer for
Linux. Hence Netscape is my best choice. Whe
I've been all over Microsoft's site. I don't see anyplace there is one. I
have, however, heard rumors of such a beast. Should you get a better answer
to your message, I'd sure like to know too. Thanks.
Original Message Follows
I see that Netscape supports Linux. Does Internet Explorer
On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, RReed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This is the latest.. only question.. will it work with mandrake?!?
> http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie/default.asp
No. Explorer is only available for the Solaris and HP-UX versions
of Unix, and even then only on the Sun/HP hardware platforms
No thank God.
>Yes thank god...http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie/default.asp
The IE 5 on this pages does not work with Linux. Its for HP & Sun versions.
I am sure it will not be long before they release something.
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From: Fred Macinster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 1999 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer for Linux? Is there such a thing???
>
> Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer for Linux? Is
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Explorer for Linux? Is there such a thing???
I will let the "newbie" list know in the next few days. I will download it
very soon. Maybe tonight. Thanks for the link.>
No thank God.
I will let the "newbie" list know in the next few days. I will download it
very soon. Maybe tonight. Thanks for the link.
Postman
At 10:00 PM 8/14/99 -0700, you wrote:
>This is the latest.. only question.. will it work with mandrake?!?
>http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie/default.asp
>
>
>- Or
This is the latest.. only question.. will it work with mandrake?!?
http://www.microsoft.com/unix/ie/default.asp
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From: The Postman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Saturday, August 14, 1999 9:23 PM
Subject: [newbie] Internet Explorer for Linux? Is the
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