Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Charles Seeger
+-- Ian Collins wrote (Fri, 17-Sep-2010, 14:28 +1200): | | OpenSolaris doesn't have sparse zones, so there nothing to support. | | If I remember the threads at the time, they were (rightly) considered | unnecessary now we use ZFS for zone roots. I have yet to find those discussions or a

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Ian Collins
On 09/17/10 12:00 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: "Richard L. Hamilton" wrote: Well...there are probably people that prefer for example * traditional Solaris command set default vs GNU command set default This is why few Solaris users did accept Indiana. * SVR4 packages vs IPS vs

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Ian Collins
On 09/17/10 07:03 AM, Joerg Schilling wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On 09/16/10 05:00 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: "Richard L. Hamilton" wrote: Well...there are probably people that prefer for example * traditional Solaris command set default vs GNU comman

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Pavel Heimlich
> OTOH I assume it might be possible to either base > Korona on OI and/or adopt the kde4 packages into the > OI repository. I tried to install our packages to a fresh OI install and it went just fine. A screenshot here: http://blog.hajma.cz/2010/09/kde4-on-openindiana.html -- This message poste

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Shawn Walker
On 09/16/10 01:14 PM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On 09/16/10 12:03 PM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On 09/16/10 05:00 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: "Richard L. Hamilton"wrote: Well...there are pr

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker wrote: > On 09/16/10 12:03 PM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: > > Shawn Walker wrote: > > > >> On 09/16/10 05:00 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: > >>> "Richard L. Hamilton" wrote: > >>> > Well...there are probably people that prefer for example > >>

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Calum Benson
On 16 Sep 2010, at 19:38, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: > Calum Benson wrote: >> >> Anyone who wanted to was always free to contribute such packages to >> OpenSolaris, via spec-files-extra and later, Source Juicer. Not many people >> ever did, and of those, not everyone subseque

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Shawn Walker
On 09/16/10 12:03 PM, see...@cise.ufl.edu wrote: +-- Shawn Walker wrote (Thu, 16-Sep-2010, 10:50 -0700): | | The choice to not support sparse zones was a decision made by the zones | team; not by the packaging team. Out of curiosity and before I go searching, is the rationale for this choice

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Shawn Walker
On 09/16/10 12:03 PM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Shawn Walker wrote: On 09/16/10 05:00 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: "Richard L. Hamilton" wrote: Well...there are probably people that prefer for example * traditional Solaris command set default vs GNU comm

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Shawn Walker
On 09/16/10 11:38 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Calum Benson wrote: On 16 Sep 2010, at 14:04, Ashish Nabira wrote: Lets add those important packages to repositories and make OpenIndiana popular to newbiesThat's one good way to make it popular . Anyone who wanted to w

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Kyle McDonald
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/16/2010 2:03 PM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote: >> Shouldn't the same packages Oracle publishes for Solaris 11 work >> on OpenIndiana? - would all the dependencies break? > > OpenIndiana project should maintain it's own package repository. > Solari

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Shawn Walker wrote: > On 09/16/10 05:00 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: > > "Richard L. Hamilton" wrote: > > > >> Well...there are probably people that prefer for example > >> * traditional Solaris command set default vs GNU command set default > > > > This is why few Solaris user

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Charles Seeger
+-- Shawn Walker wrote (Thu, 16-Sep-2010, 10:50 -0700): | | The choice to not support sparse zones was a decision made by the zones | team; not by the packaging team. Out of curiosity and before I go searching, is the rationale for this choice publically available in an ARC case or elsewhere

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
Calum Benson wrote: > > On 16 Sep 2010, at 14:04, Ashish Nabira wrote: > > > Lets add those important packages to repositories and make OpenIndiana > > popular to newbiesThat's one good way to make it popular . > > Anyone who wanted to was always free to contribute such packages to > OpenSo

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Shawn Walker
On 09/16/10 11:03 AM, Dmitry G. Kozhinov wrote: ... OpenIndiana project should maintain it's own package repository. Solaris 11 packages may occur incompatible - who knows how Oracle will modify the IPS system? An will they drop us IPS source code after Solaris 11 is released? The source for

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Dmitry G. Kozhinov
> Shouldn't the same packages Oracle publishes for Solaris 11 work on > OpenIndiana? - would all the dependencies break? OpenIndiana project should maintain it's own package repository. Solaris 11 packages may occur incompatible - who knows how Oracle will modify the IPS system? An will they dro

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Shawn Walker
On 09/16/10 05:00 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: "Richard L. Hamilton" wrote: Well...there are probably people that prefer for example * traditional Solaris command set default vs GNU command set default This is why few Solaris users did accept Indiana. Based on what data d

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Jason
I think part of that was the rather excessive amount of work just to get a usable build environment to be able to do that, or in the case of jucr, its incredible opaqueness which made doing anything with it incredibly painful (I finally gave up myself). If you make things hard (or take a lot more

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Kent Watsen
Shouldn't the same packages Oracle publishes for Solaris 11 work on OpenIndiana? - would all the dependencies break? Is the concern that Oracle won't publish desktop-oriented packages? - the examples given before were more server-oriented... Thanks, Kent __

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Calum Benson
On 16 Sep 2010, at 14:04, Ashish Nabira wrote: > Lets add those important packages to repositories and make OpenIndiana > popular to newbiesThat's one good way to make it popular . Anyone who wanted to was always free to contribute such packages to OpenSolaris, via spec-files-extra and lat

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Ashish Nabira
Hi Michael; I agree with you completely. I have made it work like that only. But the point is you have to go to different repos for this. I have lot of such examples, which I finished testing on Ubuntu and then deployed it on Opensolaris, with help from Sunfreeware, blastwave etc. New user

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Aurelien Larcher
I am talking about the number of pakages which are installable from repositories. Debian,Ubuntu have more than 30,000 pakages. But it should be mentioned that among those 30,000 packages, 10,000+ of them are terminal audio players (5682 to be exact and none of them is fully functional), or unf

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Ashish Nabira
I am talking about the number of pakages which are installable from repositories. Debian,Ubuntu have more than 30,000 pakages. I know most of them are not used by Server Admins. But new unix users do find it difficult to install pakages by compiling. For example in Ubuntu, you can try the

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread ken mays
HI Ashih, Good suggestion and that is already underway in the OpenIndiana project for 'all' compatible distros. SFW_147 is already incorporated in the OI IPS repo. SPEC-FILES-EXTRA packaging from the pkgbuild project is already in the works as well. ~ Ken Mays --- On Thu, 9/16/10, Ashish Nab

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Joerg Schilling
"Richard L. Hamilton" wrote: > Well...there are probably people that prefer for example > * traditional Solaris command set default vs GNU command set default This is why few Solaris users did accept Indiana. > * SVR4 packages vs IPS vs whatever packaging scheme Nexenta uses > (there too there

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> I just have a small suggestion. Whatever distribution > we make, please > make available packages like FreeBSD ports or Debian. > That's the only > way we can make it more popular with Admins and new > users. > > Ashish Nabira > Enterprise IT Architect > Email ashish.nab...@sun.com Are you

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Ashish Nabira
I just have a small suggestion. Whatever distribution we make, please make available packages like FreeBSD ports or Debian. That's the only way we can make it more popular with Admins and new users. Ashish Nabira Enterprise IT Architect Email ashish.nab...@sun.com On 16-Sep-10, at 1:28 PM,

Re: [osol-discuss] Merge other distros to OpenIndiana?

2010-09-16 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> Ok, I understand your point. And it is cool with you > being first with several things. > > I am only asking if all distros cooperated on one > single distro, would it not be better if there was > only one "official" community distro. It does not > matter to people if it is Schillix or OpenIndia