Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-26 Thread Alan Burlison
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, but it would be nice if www.opensolaris.org and the servers that support it and its source code were not at Sun but in some data center. http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/website-discuss/2007-June/001683.html -- Alan Burlison -- ___

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-26 Thread John Plocher
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't anyone in the least bit interested seeing OpenSolaris actually be able to employ people or pay for things itself rather than depend on the good will of Sun to do it all? At this point, with all the backlog of things that need to get done to make things work logis

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-26 Thread Christopher Mahan
--- Jim Grisanzio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Of course we've been rude. We cut up marketing. We tare down > lawyers. We > laugh at executives. We attack other communities and ourselves. > This is > all accepted behavior in the OpenSolaris community. I've even been > told > privately that th

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-26 Thread Christopher Mahan
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > No, but it would be nice if www.opensolaris.org and the servers > that support it and its source code were not at Sun but in some > data center. > > Sun going bust shouldn't disrupt OpenSolaris. Whether or not > that will ever happen, who knows, but the two shoul

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-26 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 07:30:42PM -0700, Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Hmm... but I *can* imagine bounties for development effort being > offered. As well as SoC type sponsorships. Those kinds of effort are > very useful, and cost far far less than actually hiring a well paid > engineer. There a

[osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-26 Thread Casper . Dik
>Is making OpenSolaris a non profit organisation on the >agenda of the OGB? Or do I need to create some other >community to do that? No. Making OpenSolaris a non-profit organization is a daunting task; it also comes with a financial burden and liability for the OGB members (and I would not ca

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-26 Thread Casper . Dik
>I should clarify, my wording was poor... the OGB should only approve if >it is pursued as an appeals path. If there is overwhelming approval for >whatever the CG arrives (reflected by a vote, or some other mechanism), >then I don't think the OGB needs to certify or vote on anything. Nor do

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread Jim Grisanzio
Simon Phipps wrote: I would like to suggest follow-up is directed solely to advocacy- discuss (I have set reply-to). On Jun 26, 2007, at 01:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes, I feel that some kind of prize or reward is essential, otherwise we don't stand a very good chance of getting the

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Jim Grisanzio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Coopersmith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To make it an attractive destination for other companies, besides Sun, to donate cash/hardware. And what would we do with that? (Really - I'm coming from a background of the X.Org Foundation, which is having a har

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Glynn Foster
Glynn Foster wrote: > > Garrett D'Amore wrote: >> Hmm... but I *can* imagine bounties for development effort being >> offered. As well as SoC type sponsorships. Those kinds of effort are >> very useful, and cost far far less than actually hiring a well paid >> engineer. > > Let's focus some o

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Glynn Foster
Garrett D'Amore wrote: > Hmm... but I *can* imagine bounties for development effort being > offered. As well as SoC type sponsorships. Those kinds of effort are > very useful, and cost far far less than actually hiring a well paid > engineer. Let's focus some of that energy into getting kick a

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Jim Grisanzio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alan Coopersmith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is making OpenSolaris a non profit organisation on the agenda of the OGB? No - what would the benefit of that be? To make it an attractive destination for other companies, besides Sun, to donate cash/hardware.

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jun 26, 2007, at 02:59, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun going bust shouldn't disrupt OpenSolaris. Whether or not that will ever happen, who knows, but the two shouldn't be joined at the hip. The source code is forkable, GenUnix.org exists, we have a large, diverse membership as well as a s

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Glynn Foster
Hey, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> To make it an attractive destination for other companies, >> besides Sun, to donate cash/hardware. > > And what would we do with that? (Really - I'm coming from > a background of the X.Org Foundation, which is having a hard > time findi

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Justin Erenkrantz
On 6/25/07, Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: And what would we do with that? (Really - I'm coming from a background of the X.Org Foundation, which is having a hard time finding ways to spend it's cash - it's not enough to hire a stable of full-time developers, so has avoided paying f

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Darren . Reed
Simon Phipps wrote: On Jun 26, 2007, at 02:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't anyone in the least bit interested seeing OpenSolaris actually be able to employ people or pay for things itself rather than depend on the good will of Sun to do it all? OK, I'm confused. Earlier you asserted tha

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Darren . Reed
Alan Coopersmith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To make it an attractive destination for other companies, besides Sun, to donate cash/hardware. And what would we do with that? (Really - I'm coming from a background of the X.Org Foundation, which is having a hard time finding ways to spen

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Bryan Allen
On Jun 25, 2007, at 9:46 PM, Simon Phipps wrote: On Jun 26, 2007, at 02:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't anyone in the least bit interested seeing OpenSolaris actually be able to employ people or pay for things itself rather than depend on the good will of Sun to do it all? OK, I'm confu

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Alan Coopersmith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To make it an attractive destination for other companies, besides Sun, to donate cash/hardware. And what would we do with that? (Really - I'm coming from a background of the X.Org Foundation, which is having a hard time finding ways to spend it's cash - it's not enoug

[osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread Jim Grisanzio
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Lau wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... From the very start of this, my position has been that getting this to properly motivate people requires a competition with a prize at the end and that for this reason it requires more thought than the community "just d

Re: OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Simon Phipps
On Jun 26, 2007, at 02:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Isn't anyone in the least bit interested seeing OpenSolaris actually be able to employ people or pay for things itself rather than depend on the good will of Sun to do it all? OK, I'm confused. Earlier you asserted that open source was all a

OpenSolaris as a seperate entity to Sun (Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris)

2007-06-25 Thread Darren . Reed
Alan Coopersmith wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is making OpenSolaris a non profit organisation on the agenda of the OGB? No - what would the benefit of that be? To make it an attractive destination for other companies, besides Sun, to donate cash/hardware. Or is making OpenSolaris a

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread Alan Coopersmith
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is making OpenSolaris a non profit organisation on the agenda of the OGB? No - what would the benefit of that be? -- -Alan Coopersmith- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering

[osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread Darren . Reed
Simon Phipps wrote: I would like to suggest follow-up is directed solely to advocacy- discuss (I have set reply-to). On Jun 26, 2007, at 01:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes, I feel that some kind of prize or reward is essential, otherwise we don't stand a very good chance of getting th

[osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread Simon Phipps
I would like to suggest follow-up is directed solely to advocacy- discuss (I have set reply-to). On Jun 26, 2007, at 01:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes, I feel that some kind of prize or reward is essential, otherwise we don't stand a very good chance of getting the right result unless

[osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread Simon Phipps
I would like to suggest follow-up is directed solely to advocacy- discuss (I have set reply-to). On Jun 26, 2007, at 01:04, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And yes, I feel that some kind of prize or reward is essential, otherwise we don't stand a very good chance of getting the right result unless

[osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Mon, Jun 25, 2007 at 05:04:18PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Does a community group have the power to decide that a monetary > prize is awarded to whoever comes up with the winner? The way I see it, you're welcome to so declare, but you don't (as a CG) have the ability to collect and disb

[osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread Darren . Reed
Stephen Lau wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... From the very start of this, my position has been that getting this to properly motivate people requires a competition with a prize at the end and that for this reason it requires more thought than the community "just doing it." The only priz

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread Stephen Lau
Stephen Lau wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And further to that, does the community group have the power to award that kind of prize in OpenSolaris's name? No, but it (the CG) has the power to conduct all the investigation & research and request either the OGB to approve it or request for a

[osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Re: [advocacy-discuss] Re: Logo/Mascot for OpenSolaris

2007-06-25 Thread Stephen Lau
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Eric Boutilier wrote: On Mon, 25 Jun 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Stephen Lau wrote: I still maintain that identity and 'creating a mark' are not issues that should involve the OGB. The OGB should be about governance, not a generic leadership board. These sorts