On Monday 29 August 2005 05:45 am, S Destika wrote:
> I think Sun is moving towards a non-scalable model of centralized control.
I certainly hope not, and I don't think that is their intent.
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Alan DuBoff - Sun Microsystems
Solaris x86 Engineering
Rich Teer wrote:
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, James Lick wrote:
Why not? I still get free CDs of various Linux distros at conferences
even though they could be downloaded for free too. I'd guess that most
people would be more likely to try it out if they have the media right
in front of them than go
On Wed, 31 Aug 2005, James Lick wrote:
> Why not? I still get free CDs of various Linux distros at conferences
> even though they could be downloaded for free too. I'd guess that most
> people would be more likely to try it out if they have the media right
> in front of them than go through the
Alan DuBoff wrote:
We used to hand out CD/DVDs of Solaris, but now that it's free we don't do
that too much.
Why not? I still get free CDs of various Linux distros at conferences
even though they could be downloaded for free too. I'd guess that most
people would be more likely to try it
(Removed the marketing alias in this reply)
Thanks, Jim. The pointers are also useful. I did see that several people
had posted their interests in localization in the i18n-discuss list
before, but I'm afraid we (or I) have lost them or they're just waiting
in silence until we have something more s
Young Song wrote:
If you have ideas on what to do to evangelize the community, I'd like to
know and would be happy to spend time on this. I'm fairly new to
OpenSolaris.org, and sorry if the information was discussed somewhere
before. I work in the globalization organization at Sun and posted a
co
Michael Pogue wrote:
So, is it that the stuff that we're doing out there (like conference
presentations) is not very visible, or is it the wrong stuff to be doing
(like how to use Solaris feature XYZ, rather than how to write a device
driver), or both (or neither)?
Or is there simply have a
On Tuesday 30 August 2005 01:22 pm, Young Song wrote:
> If you have ideas on what to do to evangelize the community, I'd like to
> know and would be happy to spend time on this. I'm fairly new to
> OpenSolaris.org, and sorry if the information was discussed somewhere
> before. I work in the globali
If you have ideas on what to do to evangelize the community, I'd like to
know and would be happy to spend time on this. I'm fairly new to
OpenSolaris.org, and sorry if the information was discussed somewhere
before. I work in the globalization organization at Sun and posted a
couple of suggestions
On Tuesday 30 August 2005 11:16 am, Michael Pogue wrote:
> The interesting question for me is this: if we're doing all this stuff,
> then how come people (like Steven) still think we're not "penetrating
> into the community"?
Because we're a handful of people, and trying to cover as much as possi
A couple other questions that Steven's post brought up for me:
Have we done a device driver fest in the past (or do we have plans for
one)?
Do we have plans for online tutorials? (If so, on what topics?)
And, on the developer education front, how can we get people up-to-speed
on the source co
The interesting question for me is this: if we're doing all this stuff,
then how come people (like Steven) still think we're not "penetrating
into the community"? There is a perception out there that we're not
doing enough "developer evangelism and spreading of the technical
knowledge", and w
> And this is _only_ industry conferences -- I'm not including Sun-sponsored
> conferences and public events. (And even then, I'm sure I forgot some
> conference or conferences where we presented -- apologies for those that
> I missed.)
And of course, I missed (at least) one: FISL '05. I fee
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 10:17:47PM -0400, Steven Destika wrote:
> I have pretty much said it already that much has to be done and
> OpenSolaris unfortunately does not have the luxury of taking it at a
> slow pace. At a slow pace the interest in OpenSolaris will fade off -
> I fear. I am not sure
Steven -
Thanks for the input - it's certainly valuable to understand external
perception around what we're doing. Some specific responses are below.
On Mon, Aug 29, 2005 at 10:17:47PM -0400, Steven Destika wrote:
> I am not sure if I can "advise" nor do I have a concrete plan
> but all I can
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.orgDate: Mon, 29 Aug 2005 18:01:14 -0700Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Bug fix process overly burdonsome ?Steven,My sense from following this conversation is t
Steven,
My sense from following this conversation is that you've listened to
what the Sun folks have said about the pace, direction, and the current
process (e.g. bug fixing, CAB, SCM), and yet you're still unconvinced
that we're moving forward as quickly as we can.
What advice would you
> My concern is that things are not moving at a good enough pace, they are
> not going in the right direction and the slow pace is due to Sun's highly
> bureaucratic governance. Secondly the process isn't open and inviting
> enough - The complete Solaris development has to be opened up - Sun
> Eng
S Destika wrote:
Thanks for the long explanation.
My concern is that things are not moving at a good enough pace, they are not going in the right direction and the slow pace is due to Sun's highly bureaucratic governance.
Please bear in mind the the CAB members also have day jobs. It is a
s
Would it be too much to ask for you to assume good faith on the part of Sun?
I realize that we're a profit-seeking corporation, and therefore evil, but we
really are trying to make this work. One group works on taking over the world
and perverting all that's sweetness and light, while the other i
S Destika wrote:
Thanks for the long explanation.
> My concern is that things
are not moving at a good enough pace, they are not going in the right
direction and the slow pace is due to Sun's highly bureaucratic
governance. Secondly the process isn't open and inviting enough - The
complete Sola
Thanks for the long explanation.
My concern is that things are not moving at a good enough pace, they are not
going in the right direction and the slow pace is due to Sun's highly
bureaucratic governance. Secondly the process isn't open and inviting enough -
The complete Solaris development ha
On Mon, 29 Aug 2005, S Destika wrote:
> (I noted the email id of every one who participated in
> this discussion - I will start flaming again next year if I find
> OpenSolaris still doesn't have a open and easy process for contributing
> code!! ;) )
You won't be the only one! :-)
Seriously, sti
Ok - Agreed. I will check back later.
(I noted the email id of every one who participated in this
discussion - I will start flaming again next year if I find OpenSolaris still
doesn't have a open and easy process for contributing code!! ;) )
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BTW, where is the code for this forum - I am feeling inclined to fix few things
- "Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: " in the subject lines for example! That way I can
claim to be a contributor and can push more of my agendas down people's
throat!! - Just kidding, don't take it seriously!
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First off,
Thankyou for responding to me/Alan/JimG/...
S Destika wrote:
Now all of what you said makes sense when you think of it from Sun's
PoV - all is well when it comes to Sun wanting to enforce control
over the whole OpenSolaris thing. This is exactly how a company will
drive it's product
On Mon, 2005-08-29 at 13:45, S Destika wrote:
> Other lovely thing about Linux is that you are free to do what you like - and
> not be driven by what Linus or Andrew think. Ok, so you didn't like GIT for
> some reason, take Mercurial or do your own SCM and move along - work
> continues to happen
Now all of what you said makes sense when you think of it from Sun's PoV - all
is well when it comes to Sun wanting to enforce control over the whole
OpenSolaris thing. This is exactly how a company will drive it's product
development.
If you cared to come out and peek into a general oss coder
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