Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-07 Thread Martin Bochnig
Alan Coopersmith wrote: Martin Bochnig wrote: Situation BEFORE I released my binaries: http://blogs.sun.com/alanc/entry/xorg_for_solaris_sparc Situation AFTER my various postings to http://opensolaris.org/os/community/x_win/discussions/ : You released Xorg for SPARC by yourself (limited to

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-06 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Martin Bochnig wrote: Situation BEFORE I released my binaries: http://blogs.sun.com/alanc/entry/xorg_for_solaris_sparc Situation AFTER my various postings to http://opensolaris.org/os/community/x_win/discussions/ : You released Xorg for SPARC by yourself (limited to the wsfb driver) : http://o

[osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-06 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 02:42:41PM -0800, Roy T. Fielding wrote: > Keith, you have made that comment before and I still can't find any > basis for it in reality. The OGB has almost no powers. It has no > money. > It cannot hire or fire. It has no property. It cannot even make > copyright lic

[osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-06 Thread Eric Boutilier
On Tue, 6 Mar 2007, Roy T. Fielding wrote: ... ... This election is the initial bootstrap process. The new OGB will be responsible for reorganizing the communities into groups that can govern themselves with somewhat less anarchic tendencies than the current situation of having informal proposal

[osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-06 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 5, 2007, at 2:00 PM, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:55:37AM +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: But there's absolutely no consistency with that. There's no guidelines or best practices of how to apply the membership. If one community's interpretation of the process is easier

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-06 Thread Roy T. Fielding
On Mar 5, 2007, at 10:30 AM, Garrett D'Amore wrote: I also think this is a good sign that the relationship between Communities and Projects is not well understood by all participants. There are times it hasn't been at all clear to me, at least. Perhaps getting an endorsing community needs to be

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-06 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 11:38:46PM +, Simon Phipps wrote: > Indeed, I agree totally. And they didn't, it was left to the > Communities. The direct recognition process is an exception-handling > process. Yes; the volume of requests just makes it clear that we need a higher-level exception-

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mar 5, 2007, at 23:17, Shawn Walker wrote: I cannot possibly agree more with this statement. This only further supports Stephen Lau's post about why the OGB shouldn't be intimately involved in the day-to-day processes of the community (please read the full blog post here: http://whacked.net/

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Shawn Walker
On 06/03/07, Keith M Wesolowski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: have very many contributors. In the long run, this suggests that per-Community representation may someday be needed a la the United States Senate. In the short run, it suggests that some communities are poorly organised and led, and tho

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Ghee Teo
Simon Phipps wrote: On Mar 5, 2007, at 20:55, Glynn Foster wrote: Hi, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: reality. Similarly, is your qemu project affiliated with any community? If so, ask the leaders of that community why you weren't included.) Exactly - that's the right place to start, not with

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Tue, Mar 06, 2007 at 09:55:37AM +1300, Glynn Foster wrote: > But there's absolutely no consistency with that. There's no > guidelines or best practices of how to apply the membership. If one > community's interpretation of the process is easier for geting 'Core > Contributor' status compared to

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Simon Phipps
On Mar 5, 2007, at 20:55, Glynn Foster wrote: Hi, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: reality. Similarly, is your qemu project affiliated with any community? If so, ask the leaders of that community why you weren't included.) Exactly - that's the right place to start, not with the OGB and not with

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Glynn Foster
Hi, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: >> reality. Similarly, is your qemu project affiliated with any >> community? If so, ask the leaders of that community why you weren't >> included.) > > Exactly - that's the right place to start, not with the OGB and not > with the process itself. If the Communit

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Martin Bochnig
Hi, Octave Orgeron wrote: Not to jump in mid way.. but I think it's a mistake for Sun not to get more framebuffers into the Xorg for SPARC. they will certainly do so, even rather soon. See http://www.martux.org/READ-ME.ascii and http://www.martux.org/marTux___OSDevCon2007.pdf Martin

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Martin Bochnig
Alan Coopersmith wrote: For Xorg on sparc, I didn't list you because you have not yet contributed anything to the X Community Sounds disappointing. And I did not provide binaries alone (Xorg for sparc including PGX, PGX24, PGX32, PGX64 and XVR-100 drivers), but also source: The Aperture-

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Octave Orgeron
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Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Octave Orgeron
I agree that communities/projects should be organized better. Octave --- Alan Coopersmith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Keith M Wesolowski wrote: > >> reality. Similarly, is your qemu project affiliated with any > >> community? If so, ask the leaders of that community why you > weren't > >> in

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Octave Orgeron
Hi, Speaking as the leader of the Systems Administration community, I'd have to say that the endorsement function is a manual process and doesn't change any community processes. It's a totally manual process where you select from a list of projects to endorse. I haven't updated it in a long time a

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Casper . Dik
>I also think this is a good sign that the relationship between >Communities and Projects is not well understood by all participants. >There are times it hasn't been at all clear to me, at least. > >Perhaps getting an endorsing community needs to be a prerequisite to >setting up a project? Perha

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Martin Bochnig
Martin Bochnig wrote: Alan Coopersmith wrote: For Xorg on sparc, I didn't list you because you have not yet contributed anything to the X Community - but I was also very unsure who to list when I generated the list of Core Contributors. I'm sure once we get going on integrating your work into

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Garrett D'Amore
I also think this is a good sign that the relationship between Communities and Projects is not well understood by all participants. There are times it hasn't been at all clear to me, at least. Perhaps getting an endorsing community needs to be a prerequisite to setting up a project? -- Garre

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Al Hopper
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: > On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 10:25:28AM -0800, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > > > In this case, I think it's still a follow-on of the poor initial setup > > of Communities - instead of a Xen community, we should have a Virtualization > > community with Xen & q

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Frank Hofmann
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote: [ ... ] In this case, I think it's still a follow-on of the poor initial setup of Communities - instead of a Xen community, we should have a Virtualization community with Xen & qemu projects. And a Zones project. And a BrandZ project. A solaris-vmwar

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 10:25:28AM -0800, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > In this case, I think it's still a follow-on of the poor initial setup > of Communities - instead of a Xen community, we should have a Virtualization > community with Xen & qemu projects. Completely agree. Nothing precludes the

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Martin Bochnig
Alan Coopersmith wrote: For Xorg on sparc, I didn't list you because you have not yet contributed anything to the X Community - but I was also very unsure who to list when I generated the list of Core Contributors. I'm sure once we get going on integrating your work into the X Community, you'll

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Bryan Cantrill
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 10:25:28AM -0800, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > Keith M Wesolowski wrote: > >>reality. Similarly, is your qemu project affiliated with any > >>community? If so, ask the leaders of that community why you weren't > >>included.) > > > >Exactly - that's the right place to start,

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Keith M Wesolowski wrote: reality. Similarly, is your qemu project affiliated with any community? If so, ask the leaders of that community why you weren't included.) Exactly - that's the right place to start, not with the OGB and not with the process itself. If the Community leaders are unr

Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Keith M Wesolowski
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 10:02:32AM -0800, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > The system for choosing core contributors is notably flawed in that > it only recognizes people working with Communities, not Projects or > distros. (For instance, Roland wasn't initially listed because This is not a flaw in th

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Martin Bochnig wrote: While I am listed as (non-core-)contributor (to the PowerPC community), my main activities ([EMAIL PROTECTED], www.martux.org and http://opensolaris.org/os/project/qemu/leaders/) don't seem to count. So I am by no means a "core contributor" - okay. The system for choosin

[osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations

2007-03-05 Thread Martin Bochnig
According to ""d) The election is being held per the OpenSolaris Constitution at: http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/cab/governance/ Attention Voters: In order to vote in the OGB elections you must be a current Core Contributor. So please check your status at http://poll.opensolaris.org/