On Tue, 2006-06-20 at 10:24 -0700, Philip Brown wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 07:26:51PM -0700, Erast Benson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 17:45 -0700, Philip Brown wrote:
> > > On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 04:00:28PM -0700, Erast Benson wrote:
> > > > On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:46 +0100, Peter Trib
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 07:26:51PM -0700, Erast Benson wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 17:45 -0700, Philip Brown wrote:
> > On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 04:00:28PM -0700, Erast Benson wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:46 +0100, Peter Tribble wrote:
> > > > - can I request a specific version?
> > >
On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 17:45 -0700, Philip Brown wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 04:00:28PM -0700, Erast Benson wrote:
> > On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:46 +0100, Peter Tribble wrote:
> > > - can I request a specific version?
> >
> > yes
>
> Thats not exactly true. Only if the archive happens to keep
On Mon, Jun 19, 2006 at 04:00:28PM -0700, Erast Benson wrote:
> On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:46 +0100, Peter Tribble wrote:
> > - can I request a specific version?
>
> yes
Thats not exactly true. Only if the archive happens to keep old versions,
or if its a "gcc3" vs "gcc4" thing, where people are e
On Mon, 2006-06-19 at 23:46 +0100, Peter Tribble wrote:
> On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 22:55, David J. Orman wrote:
> > Exampe, Ubuntu (as noted in my comment):
> >
> > apt-get install apache2
>
> OK, I've not used apt-get so I'll ask a few questions:
>
> - can I request a specific version?
yes
> -
On Fri, 2006-06-16 at 22:55, David J. Orman wrote:
> Exampe, Ubuntu (as noted in my comment):
>
> apt-get install apache2
OK, I've not used apt-get so I'll ask a few questions:
- can I request a specific version?
- can I control the installed location?
- can I install multiple copies of the s
On Sun, Jun 18, 2006 at 09:47:21PM -0700, Hugh McIntyre wrote:
> Philip Brown wrote:
> >>> While blastwave does it, I can't use blastwave as a part of some
> >>> other solution. And that's the problem with all the package
> >>> management systems - they're fine, as long as you use them in
> >>> com
Philip Brown wrote:
While blastwave does it, I can't use blastwave as a part of some
other solution. And that's the problem with all the package
management systems - they're fine, as long as you use them in
complete isolation.
Exactly. Say I want PHP to run with the bundled Apache. Blastwave
w
On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 04:05:47PM +0100, Peter Tribble wrote:
> ...
> While blastwave does it, I can't use blastwave as a part of some
> other solution. And that's the problem with all the package
> management systems - they're fine, as long as you use them in
> complete isolation.
>
> The underl
On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 04:16:04PM -1000, David J. Orman wrote:
>Sun just needs to pick something, stand behind it, and give it a bit of
support (make sure things are up to Sun's high stability/etc standards.)
Tee Hee...
We've learned one or two things from sun's original companion cd
distribut
On Sat, Jun 17, 2006 at 04:17:42PM -0700, Hugh McIntyre wrote:
> Potentially what would help here is to integrate a stub pkg-get command
> into the base install, but out of the box this would just be a wrapper,
> not linked to any specific back-end repository.
>
great idea. and actually, alread
On Jun 17, 2006, at 1:17 PM, Hugh McIntyre wrote:
Potentially what would help here is to integrate a stub pkg-get
command into the base install, but out of the box this would just
be a wrapper, not linked to any specific back-end repository.
Then, the first time you used it (via GUI or com
Peter Tribble wrote:
On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 07:35, David J. Orman wrote:
Stable software, reasonably up to date, and a
*part* of Solaris.
The trouble is that stability and up-to-dateness are conflicting goals.
Solaris chooses stability. Now personally, I think they go too far,
with a reluctan
On 17/06/06, Peter Tribble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 03:16, David J. Orman wrote:
> For goodness sake, I've got two FreeBSD boxes doing all my web serving
> because I didn't want to go through the hassle of hand compiling
> apache/php/modules/mysql/postgresql/etc (not to me
On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 07:35, David J. Orman wrote:
> I'm asking about a compromise. Keeping software
reasonably up to
> date, at the same time not so bleeding edge as to it
coring all the
> time.
Coring isn't the problem (or shouldn't be - it's not
an issue
I worry much about).
> Stable sof
On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 07:35, David J. Orman wrote:
> I'm asking about a compromise. Keeping software reasonably up to
> date, at the same time not so bleeding edge as to it coring all the
> time.
Coring isn't the problem (or shouldn't be - it's not an issue
I worry much about).
> Stable soft
On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 03:16, David J. Orman wrote:
> For goodness sake, I've got two FreeBSD boxes doing all my web serving
> because I didn't want to go through the hassle of hand compiling
> apache/php/modules/mysql/postgresql/etc (not to mention it was a mess
> to even try,
You're kidding rig
David,
you may want to read
http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/install/files/
install_strategy.pdf
You are not alone with your frustration. I'm sure Dave Miner will
be glad to get your feedback on the above. I'm certainly looking
forward to it but I'm staying with FreeBSD until it
On Jun 16, 2006, at 7:08 PM, James Carlson wrote:
I'm a bit confused about what you want. Achieving those standards
means a high degree of attention to detail. It's not just grabbing
the latest and greatest source, typing 'make', and tossing it over a
wall. There's a _large_ amount of work t
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, David J. Orman wrote:
> > Yes it does. Have you not heard of Blastwave.org?
>
> Rich, I have a lot of respect for you, did half of my email get cut off?
Only by my overly tired and hurried brain, for which I apologise. :-/
> Blastwave doesn't do it for me, simply because
David J. Orman writes:
> With developers who can make such amazing things as ZFS/Dtrace/etc,
> why is it SO hard to pick a package format, setup some guidelines
> and routines
> , setup a maintenence schedule (updates/new features and
> bug/security fixes), and start work. The community could easi
On 6/16/06, Stephen Harpster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Are your complaints that the open source software we have is old, or is your
complaint about how an administrator goes about keeping software up to date?
In build 41 you'll see we've brought Gnome up to 2.14. A lot of the apps have
been
> Hmmm... Blastwave isn't the only wget (and therefore pkg-get)
> service around. :) Steve Christensen's SunFreeware site
> (http://www.sunfreeware.com) has been around for 14 years, and
> also supports pkg-get access.
Used it too. :) Thanks for mentioning another excellent tool.
> Not speakin
Hmmm... Blastwave isn't the only wget (and therefore pkg-get)
service around. :) Steve Christensen's SunFreeware site
(http://www.sunfreeware.com) has been around for 14 years, and
also supports pkg-get access.
Not speaking in any way for Sun, but I *like* having these
folks managing the OSS
> Yes it does. Have you not heard of Blastwave.org?
Rich, I have a lot of respect for you, did half of my email get cut off?
"Blastwave fills this void pretty well, but it's not Sun supported." <-- one of
the points made.
Also, in my original mail:
"Now, I run Solaris on my servers. Guess wha
> Are your complaints that the open source software
> we have is old, or is your complaint about how an
> administrator goes about keeping software up to
> date?
>
> In build 41 you'll see we've brought Gnome up to
> 2.14. A lot of the apps have been
> updated as well. Steve Christensen has also
On Fri, 16 Jun 2006, David J. Orman wrote:
> So, I can click a button/type a command, and have Solaris install mysql
> 5.0.22, the latest/least buggy/most secure version of postgresql, latest/most
> stable/etc apache, php 5, all the php5 modules I want, etc.
OKayyy.
> If I can't, then Sola
- Original Message -
From: Stephen Harpster <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Friday, June 16, 2006 11:30 am
Subject: [osol-discuss] Re: revisiting software issues
> Are your complaints that the open source software we have is
> old, or is your complaint about how an administrato
Are your complaints that the open source software we have is old, or is your
complaint about how an administrator goes about keeping software up to date?
In build 41 you'll see we've brought Gnome up to 2.14. A lot of the apps have
been
updated as well. Steve Christensen has also been working
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