Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-13 Thread Ignacio Marambio Catán
if your file landed in opensolaris, then you signed an SCA which means you gave sun and now oracle rights akin ownership. On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Richard L. Hamilton wrote: >> >> >> >> On Aug 13, 2010, at 16:39, Paul Gress wrote: >> >> > On 08/13/10 06:35 AM, andrew wrote: >> >> >> >>> >

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-13 Thread Richard L. Hamilton
> > > > On Aug 13, 2010, at 16:39, Paul Gress wrote: > > > On 08/13/10 06:35 AM, andrew wrote: > >> > >>> > >> I don't expect to ever see binaries for the > OpenSolaris distribution again. The most I think we > can expect is a preview of Solaris 11 along the lines > of the old "Solaris Expres

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-13 Thread Simon Phipps
On Aug 13, 2010, at 16:39, Paul Gress wrote: > On 08/13/10 06:35 AM, andrew wrote: >> >>> >> I don't expect to ever see binaries for the OpenSolaris distribution again. >> The most I think we can expect is a preview of Solaris 11 along the lines of >> the old "Solaris Express" programme. I

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-13 Thread Paul Gress
On 08/13/10 06:35 AM, andrew wrote: I don't expect to ever see binaries for the OpenSolaris distribution again. The most I think we can expect is a preview of Solaris 11 along the lines of the old "Solaris Express" programme. I hope I will be proved wrong though. I agree, and also I ex

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-13 Thread Ivan Wang
> > I don't expect to ever see binaries for the > OpenSolaris distribution again. The most I think we > can expect is a preview of Solaris 11 along the lines > of the old "Solaris Express" programme. I hope I will > be proved wrong though. > > Andrew. That, begs the question how feasible a not-p

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-13 Thread andrew
> On 08/12/10 03:58 PM, andrew wrote: > >> > >> > >> --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Alan Coopersmith > >> wrote: > > Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > >> #3 It does not make sense to discontinue > >>> development of opensolaris. > > Some > >> day they'll have to make a solaris 12, you > >>> know.

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-13 Thread Joerg Schilling
Paul Griffith wrote: > I expect Oracle to give us more info during OpenWorld. I am expecting > more to come regarding OpenSolaris, I don't think they will call it > OpenSolaris. No! I don't have any inside knowledge, just thinking out loud. Given the fact that Oracte still did not contact the

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-12 Thread Edward Martinez
> > > I expect Oracle to give us more info during > OpenWorld. I am expecting > more to come regarding OpenSolaris, I don't think > they will call it > OpenSolaris. No! I don't have any inside knowledge, > just thinking out loud. > > Regards, > Paul > _

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-12 Thread Ian Collins
On 08/13/10 08:04 AM, Paul Griffith wrote: I expect Oracle to give us more info during OpenWorld. I am expecting more to come regarding OpenSolaris, I don't think they will call it OpenSolaris. No! I don't have any inside knowledge, just thinking out loud. Based on current form, "Oracle Opa

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-12 Thread Paul Griffith
On 08/12/10 03:58 PM, andrew wrote: --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Edward Ned Harvey wrote: #3 It does not make sense to discontinue development of opensolaris. Some day they'll have to make a solaris 12, you know. But they're diverting development away from opensolari

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-12 Thread andrew
> > > --- On Wed, 8/11/10, Alan Coopersmith > wrote: > > >> Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > >>> #3  It does not make sense to discontinue > > development of opensolaris. > > >> Some > > >>> day they'll have to make a solaris 12, you > > know.  But they're > > >> diverting > > >>> development away f

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-11 Thread ken mays
--- On Wed, 8/11/10, Alan Coopersmith wrote: > >> Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > >>> #3  It does not make sense to discontinue > development of opensolaris. > >> Some > >>> day they'll have to make a solaris 12, you > know.  But they're > >> diverting > >>> development away from opensolaris right no

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-11 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >> From: Alan Coopersmith [mailto:alan.coopersm...@oracle.com] >> Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:11 AM >> >> Edward Ned Harvey wrote: >>> #3 It does not make sense to discontinue development of opensolaris. >> Some >>> day they'll have to make a solaris 12, you know.

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-11 Thread Paul Kölle
Am 11.08.2010 14:53, schrieb Edward Ned Harvey: From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kölle Yes. There simply is no market for desktop unix (not counting OSX). This may be OT, but I don't quite agree. You are

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-11 Thread Calum Benson
On 11 Aug 2010, at 14:21, Florian Manschwetus wrote: >> > You mean comparable with snow leopard, according to my last experiences > in vbox. (most full blown compiz I've ever seen, no chance for ubuntu to > come close here) There's no real difference in compiz between OpenSolaris and Ubuntu; II

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-11 Thread Florian Manschwetus
Am 11.08.2010 15:04, schrieb Edward Ned Harvey: >> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- >> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gress >> >> Well I bought into Sun on their Workstation line. I don't need >> Servers. My MCAD program runs on Solaris an

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of ken mays > > Ed, > the term 'UNIX desktop market is dead' is kind of a > misnomer. Is it not? Who said that? I know I didn't. ___

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Paul Gress > > Well I bought into Sun on their Workstation line.  I don't need > Servers.  My MCAD program runs on Solaris and Windows only.  I should > switch to Windows? Iden

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Paul Kölle > > Yes. There simply is no market for desktop unix (not counting OSX). This may be OT, but I don't quite agree. The three desktop OSes that I recommend and support

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-11 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Alan Coopersmith [mailto:alan.coopersm...@oracle.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2010 12:11 AM > > Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > > #3 It does not make sense to discontinue development of opensolaris. > Some > > day they'll have to make a solaris 12, you know. But they're > diverting > >

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-11 Thread ken mays
--- On Tue, 8/10/10, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > #2  Oracle sells servers, not laptops.  They'll > include a GUI, but it has > always been, and will continue to be, a pretty basic > gnome.  Nothing flashy > like aero or compiz or aqua.  They are designing it to > be servers.  If you > want a flash

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-11 Thread Matthias Pfützner
You (Edward Ned Harvey) wrote: > #2 Oracle sells servers, not laptops. They'll include a GUI, but it has > always been, and will continue to be, a pretty basic gnome. Nothing flashy > like aero or compiz or aqua. They are designing it to be servers. If you > want a flashy laptop, use OSX, Wind

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-11 Thread Paul Kölle
Am 11.08.2010 06:24, schrieb Paul Gress: On 08/10/10 11:45 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Isn't this all what I've said right along? It's the only thing that makes sense: #1 Solaris is extremely out of date w.r.t. opensolaris. Oracle needs to release a commercially viable updated solaris while

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Edward Martinez
Update- i want to add that it seems Mr. Fowler has confimerd that Oracle stopped developing new servers around AMD CPUs and will use Intel CPUs only, looks like a move from Jobs playbook;) excerpt: "In the interview, Fowler confirmed earlier reports that Oracle has stopped developing servers b

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Paul Gress
On 08/10/10 11:45 PM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: Isn't this all what I've said right along? It's the only thing that makes sense: #1 Solaris is extremely out of date w.r.t. opensolaris. Oracle needs to release a commercially viable updated solaris while they still have an edge over BTRFS and

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Alan Coopersmith
Edward Ned Harvey wrote: > #3 It does not make sense to discontinue development of opensolaris. Some > day they'll have to make a solaris 12, you know. But they're diverting > development away from opensolaris right now, to make *damn* sure they > release solaris 11 this year. My calender stil

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Martinez > > >it will probably be tuned for Database and Servers. Oracle may well > remove most desktop and laptop functionality, after all, it's not > required and make

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Edward Martinez > > >it will probably be tuned for Database and Servers. Oracle may well > remove most desktop and laptop functionality, after all, it's not > required and make

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Brian Utterback
On 08/10/10 16:22, Paul Gress wrote: Also, if I read in between the lines for this statement "Solaris 11 will be a superset of what is in Opensolaris", it say's to me, Oracle is not open with Opensolaris any more. There will likely be proprietary extensions added not in Opensolaris. Basically I

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Ian Collins
On 08/11/10 08:22 AM, Paul Gress wrote: Forgive me if I don't get excited. But thats for Solaris 11, for all we know, based on Larrys expectations, it will probably be tuned for Database and Servers. Oracle may well remove most desktop and laptop functionality, after all, it's not required an

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Calum Benson
On 10 Aug 2010, at 21:22, Paul Gress wrote: > > Also, if I read in between the lines for this statement "Solaris 11 will be a > superset of what is in Opensolaris", it say's to me, Oracle is not open with > Opensolaris any more. There will likely be proprietary extensions added not > in Opens

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Edward Martinez
>it will probably be tuned for Database and Servers. Oracle may well remove >most desktop and laptop functionality, after all, it's not required and makes >support much harder. >Fowler added that Oracle will continue to invest in its open source >communities. That said he noted that Oracle rea

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Paul Gress
news as requested;) Oracle Details Upcoming Solaris 11 Release excerpt: quotes from presentation: We have a large new version of Solaris coming out in 2011 called Solaris 11," John Fowler, Oracle's executive vice president of systems, told InternetNews.com Fowler said that quite a bit of th

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Stefan Parvu
thanks. stefan -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Edward Martinez
> I just returned from a short trip. So what was the > conclusion and what are the news > about "Oracle Systems Strategy Update" ? Something > new ? How about > Solaris/OpenSolaris ? > > thanks, > Stefan news as requested;) Oracle Details Upcoming Solaris 11 Release excerpt: quotes from present

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Stefan Parvu
I just returned from a short trip. So what was the conclusion and what are the news about "Oracle Systems Strategy Update" ? Something new ? How about Solaris/OpenSolaris ? thanks, Stefan -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-disc

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-10 Thread Edward Martinez
> I think this may be important to solaris > customers:) > > > excerpt: > Tuesday, August 10, 2010 > 9:00 a.m. – 10:00 a.m. PT Live Webcast > > Join John Fowler, Executive Vice President, Systems, > for a live update on the strategy and roadmap for > Oracle’s Sun servers, storage an

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-06 Thread Mike Gerdts
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 10:57 PM, Paul Gress wrote: > On 08/ 5/10 11:31 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: > > I think this may be important to solaris customers:) > > > excerpt: > Tuesday, August 10, 2010 > 9:00 a.m. – 10:00 a.m. PT Live Webcast > > Join John Fowler, Executive Vice President,

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-05 Thread Edward Martinez
> my is more of an "announcement" then news to an event being held by oracle, yours i think qualifies for being "news", i stopped posting news .) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@open

Re: [osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-05 Thread Paul Gress
On 08/ 5/10 11:31 PM, Edward Martinez wrote: I think this may be important to solaris customers:) excerpt: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:00 a.m. âEUR" 10:00 a.m. PT Live Webcast Join John Fowler, Executive Vice President, Systems, for a live update on the strategy and roadmap for O

[osol-discuss] upcoming web event:strategy for Oracle's Sun Servers, Storage and solaris

2010-08-05 Thread Edward Martinez
I think this may be important to solaris customers:) excerpt: Tuesday, August 10, 2010 9:00 a.m. – 10:00 a.m. PT Live Webcast Join John Fowler, Executive Vice President, Systems, for a live update on the strategy and roadmap for Oracle’s Sun servers, storage and complete systems