RE: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-10-06 Thread Bryant, Christian
Just as a proof-of-concept for document writing community success, see http://flossmanuals.net - easy to use, produces nice output, has a great community of contributors. In terms of wiki-to-book, Wikipedia has had that for some time, and there are some nice examples out there: http://en.wikip

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-10-05 Thread Christian Boltz
Hello, on Montag, 4. Oktober 2010, Thomas Schraitle wrote: > On Monday 04 October 2010 Christian Boltz wrote: > > [...] > > > > I'm not sure about that. I don't say that it will be very easy, but > > it should be possible, and it won't be too hard. > > You are underestimate the efforts. We can m

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-10-04 Thread Bruno Friedmann
to make it short +1000 for docbook -1 for wiki syntax, as there's no standard about wikis :-) Really it should be not too hard to find an xml docbook editor, syntax helper, for eclipse, or other ide to help people to write docbook ( which is really easy to learn ) -- Bruno Friedmann (irc

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-10-04 Thread Thomas Schraitle
Hi, (CC'ed opensuse-doc so doc people can read that too.) On Monday 04 October 2010 Christian Boltz wrote: > [...] > > I'm not sure about that. I don't say that it will be very easy, but it > should be possible, and it won't be too hard. You are underestimate the efforts. > 90% of the format

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-10-03 Thread Christian Boltz
Hello, on Donnerstag, 30. September 2010, Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:54:30 +0200 Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > That is actually a pretty good point. If our Wiki is good enough in > > terms of content, we can try and figure out how to automate > > creating a book. > I completel

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-10-03 Thread Christian Boltz
Hello, on Donnerstag, 30. September 2010, Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:27:11 +0200 Javier Llorente wrote: > > - AutoYaST > > Currently not part of the openSUSE manuals, but documentation exists > for SLE and could be added. So far this hasn't been asked for. ... > > System a

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-10-03 Thread Christian Boltz
Hello, on Donnerstag, 30. September 2010, Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:59:56 +0200 Jos Poortvliet wrote: [file format of the manual and conversation to XML, PDF, ePub etc.] > All this does not sound like a wiki or *pad is the tool of choice. > Once you choose to use these too

Re: Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-10-01 Thread Thomas Schraitle
Hi Will, Friday 01 October 2010 > On Thursday 30 Sep 2010 14:26:34 Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > > in case you haven't done so, you might want to try the 11.3 eBooks > > > > http://community.opensuse.org/ebooks/ebooks113/ > > > > Feedback welcome. > > That's awesome! I had no idea we were already

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-10-01 Thread Will Stephenson
On Thursday 30 Sep 2010 14:26:34 Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > in case you haven't done so, you might want to try the 11.3 eBooks > > http://community.opensuse.org/ebooks/ebooks113/ > > Feedback welcome. That's awesome! I had no idea we were already making .epubs out of our docu. I see some render

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Rajko M.
On Thursday 30 September 2010 06:52:10 Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:59:56 +0200 Jos Poortvliet wrote: ... > > ... and get ppl to write... > > That will be the hardest part. How many _regular contributors_ (not > speaking of ppl doing administrative tasks) do we have in the wik

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Javier Llorente
On Jueves, 30 de Septiembre de 2010 13:00:02 Frank Sundermeyer escribió: > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:56:25 +0200 Javier Llorente wrote: > > Hi, > > > On Miércoles, 29 de Septiembre de 2010 21:00:29 Raul Libório escribió: > > > Would be a complement to > > > http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Official_docume

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Bryen Yunashko
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 14:34 +0200, Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:54:30 +0200 Jos Poortvliet wrote: > > Hi, > > > On Thursday 30 September 2010 00:26:09 Helen wrote: > > > How hard is it to convert to multiple e-reader formats including > > > PDF? > > > > That is actually a pr

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Frank Sundermeyer
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:54:30 +0200 Jos Poortvliet wrote: Hi, > On Thursday 30 September 2010 00:26:09 Helen wrote: > > How hard is it to convert to multiple e-reader formats including > > PDF? > > That is actually a pretty good point. If our Wiki is good enough in > terms of content, we can try

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Frank Sundermeyer
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:01:14 +0200 Bryen Yunashko wrote: Hi, > I'd like to recommend that we also consider making this available on > ebooks such as Kindle or Nook. I recently got my Kindle and I'm > really enjoying the ability to quickly get my books and have it ready > at all times. in case

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Frank Sundermeyer
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 07:57:52 +1000 Helen wrote: Hi, > I like the idea of a 'go to' book but understood that this was the > function of the wiki. Do I have the wrong impression? > > Duplicaton of effort is a bad idea, but I do like having the 'best and > most current' readily available. > > A re

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Frank Sundermeyer
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 13:40:44 +0200 Will Stephenson wrote: Hi, > On Thursday 30 September 2010 13:00:02 Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:56:25 +0200 Javier Llorente wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > > On Miércoles, 29 de Septiembre de 2010 21:00:29 Raul Libório > > > escribió: > > >

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Frank Sundermeyer
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 21:59:56 +0200 Jos Poortvliet wrote: Hi, > On Wednesday 29 September 2010 20:27:11 Javier Llorente wrote: > > Hello there, > > > > I was thinking that having an openSUSE Handbook (or handbuch ;) in > > pdf format ready to be downloaded, printed and even ready to be > > sent t

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Will Stephenson
On Thursday 30 September 2010 13:00:02 Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:56:25 +0200 Javier Llorente wrote: > > Hi, > > > On Miércoles, 29 de Septiembre de 2010 21:00:29 Raul Libório escribió: > > > Would be a complement to > > > http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Official_documentation?

Re: [opensuse-doc] Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Andreas Jaeger
On Thursday 30 September 2010 12:48:32 Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > Use what is already there and help to improve it ;-). I agree with that - could you give a pointer on how to improve the existing documentation? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Program Manager openSUSE, a...@{novell.com,opensuse.org

Re: [opensuse-doc] Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Thomas Schraitle
Hi, On Thursday 30 September 2010 Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > [...] > > Other openSUSE Technologies > > - Build Service > > - KIWI > > Both projects are under heavy development and are constantly changing. > Documentation has to be written and maintained by the projects > themselves, otherwise you

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Michael Loeffler
Moin, On Thursday 30 September 2010 12:48:32 Frank Sundermeyer wrote: > On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:27:11 +0200 Javier Llorente wrote: > > Hi, > > (Disclaimer: I am working in the SUSE documentation department and am > the person leading the openSUSE documentation project in our department) > > I am

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Frank Sundermeyer
On Thu, 30 Sep 2010 00:56:25 +0200 Javier Llorente wrote: Hi, > On Miércoles, 29 de Septiembre de 2010 21:00:29 Raul Libório escribió: > > Would be a complement to > > http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Official_documentation? > > Yepp. Some topics aren't covered in the official docs. Nevertheless, > it

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Frank Sundermeyer
On Wed, 29 Sep 2010 20:27:11 +0200 Javier Llorente wrote: Hi, (Disclaimer: I am working in the SUSE documentation department and am the person leading the openSUSE documentation project in our department) I am not reading opensuse-marketing (doing that now ;-)), but henne pointed me to this thre

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Henne Vogelsang
Hey, On 30.09.2010 11:36, Manu Gupta wrote: > Thats really nice and I would love to do that, a project being part og > the community is always a great thing and I will try to give my best. > > Thanks a lot. However Why not, learn.opensuse.org or > helpinghands.opensuse.org Yes whatever you want

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Manu Gupta
Thats really nice and I would love to do that, a project being part og the community is always a great thing and I will try to give my best. Thanks a lot. However Why not, learn.opensuse.org or helpinghands.opensuse.org On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 09:33 +0200, Henne Vogelsang wrote: > Hey, > > On 30.

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-30 Thread Henne Vogelsang
Hey, On 30.09.2010 06:43, Manu Gupta wrote: > Again, Grauham I bought the domain on a very cheap server, it mightbe > down. I am again sorry for that. Why don't you run it inside the project then? I think something like moodle would be a great addition to the openSUSE project. You seem to have a

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Helen
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Manu Gupta wrote: > Hi All > > I know it might be pretty hard for you to reach suseware.com. I > understand it perfectly. Moreover, I did not like the home page too and > yes things needs to be linked. I thought it was a nice home page - simple, elegant. Yes the g

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Manu Gupta
Hi All I know it might be pretty hard for you to reach suseware.com. I understand it perfectly. Moreover, I did not like the home page too and yes things needs to be linked. Ok. The idea is over here http://piratepad.net/ilZIqohN83 One part is this www.suseware.com/moodle The other part is www.s

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Helen
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 12:59 PM, Graham Lauder wrote: . and on checking the source, I now see that they don't > link anywhere. Oh right. wondered if it was just me. They -DO- have a text show up underneath as you mouse over, but it's grey against the dark background so hard to see, certainly on

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Graham Lauder
On Thursday 30 Sep 2010 16:08:31 Izabel Valverde wrote: > Dear Graham, > > We would be glad to hear your positive thoughts! > > Izabel Hi Izabel, I would love to be able to contribute, but unfortunately I can't get past a blank page with a row of unlabelled icons that seemingly do nothing exce

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Izabel Valverde
Dear Graham, We would be glad to hear your positive thoughts! Izabel 2010/9/29 Graham Lauder : > On Thursday 30 Sep 2010 10:47:52 Carlos Ribeiro wrote: >> Javier, >> >> Pretty good idea, also I believe will be good if you talk a little bit >> about our project and idea with Manu because as I kn

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Graham Lauder
s better judgement. Cheers GL > > Bryen M Yunashko > openSUSE marketing team lead > > Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry > > -Original Message- > From: Graham Lauder > Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:12:39 > To: > Subject: Re: [opensuse-marketing] The

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread suserocks
ement than negative words that derail initiatives. Bryen M Yunashko openSUSE marketing team lead Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Graham Lauder Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 14:12:39 To: Subject: Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal On T

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Graham Lauder
On Thursday 30 Sep 2010 10:47:52 Carlos Ribeiro wrote: > Javier, > > Pretty good idea, also I believe will be good if you talk a little bit > about our project and idea with Manu because as I know he is working on > a project called suseware, http://suseware.com/home/ and If I'm not > mistake the

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Javier Llorente
On Jueves, 30 de Septiembre de 2010 00:54:30 Jos Poortvliet escribió: > On Thursday 30 September 2010 00:26:09 Helen wrote: > > How hard is it to convert to multiple e-reader formats including PDF? > > That is actually a pretty good point. If our Wiki is good enough in terms > of content, we can t

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Javier Llorente
On Jueves, 30 de Septiembre de 2010 14:01:14 Bryen Yunashko escribió: > On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 17:34 -0400, Chuck Payne wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Rémy Marquis wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Javier Llorente wrote: > > >> Hello there, > > >> > > >> I was thinking

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Javier Llorente
On Miércoles, 29 de Septiembre de 2010 23:57:52 Helen escribió: > I like the idea of a 'go to' book but understood that this was the > function of the wiki. Do I have the wrong impression? > > Duplicaton of effort is a bad idea, but I do like having the 'best and > most current' readily available.

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Javier Llorente
On Miércoles, 29 de Septiembre de 2010 23:29:42 Rémy Marquis escribió: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Javier Llorente wrote: > > Hello there, > > > > I was thinking that having an openSUSE Handbook (or handbuch ;) in pdf > > format ready to be downloaded, printed and even ready to be sent to

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Javier Llorente
Hi Carlos On Miércoles, 29 de Septiembre de 2010 23:47:52 Carlos Ribeiro escribió: > Javier, > > Pretty good idea, also I believe will be good if you talk a little bit > about our project and idea with Manu because as I know he is working on > a project called suseware, http://suseware.com/home/

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Javier Llorente
On Miércoles, 29 de Septiembre de 2010 21:59:56 Jos Poortvliet escribió: > On Wednesday 29 September 2010 20:27:11 Javier Llorente wrote: > > Hello there, > > > > I was thinking that having an openSUSE Handbook (or handbuch ;) in pdf > > format ready to be downloaded, printed and even ready to be

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Javier Llorente
On Miércoles, 29 de Septiembre de 2010 21:14:58 usted escribió: > Good stuff, specially if it is at the level of the previous which came > with SuSE Linux (I have from 6.0 to 7.1). Though I've really never used > them, they used to pack powerful information for anyone moving in to > SuSE Linux back

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread suserocks
fo to )aloki to look into doing the same for Planet openSUSE. And hopefully we will get that going as well. Bryen Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry -Original Message- From: Helen Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:26:09 To: Subject: Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Thursday 30 September 2010 00:26:09 Helen wrote: > How hard is it to convert to multiple e-reader formats including PDF? That is actually a pretty good point. If our Wiki is good enough in terms of content, we can try and figure out how to automate creating a book. Well, fully automatic would

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Javier Llorente
On Miércoles, 29 de Septiembre de 2010 21:00:29 Raul Libório escribió: > Would be a complement to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Official_documentation? Yepp. Some topics aren't covered in the official docs. Nevertheless, it could be reused. Greetings, -- Javier Llorente signature.asc Description

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Helen
How hard is it to convert to multiple e-reader formats including PDF? E-readers have not yet taken off in Australia and I wouldn't buy a Kindle anyway. (It's only a matter of time before Amazon starts sticking advertising at random through your books.) Other handheld devices - 7 inch tablet/pads,

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Bryen Yunashko
On Thu, 2010-09-30 at 14:01 +0200, Bryen Yunashko wrote: > On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 17:34 -0400, Chuck Payne wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Rémy Marquis > > wrote: > > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Javier Llorente > > > wrote: > > >> Hello there, > > >> > > >> I was thinking that

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Bryen Yunashko
On Wed, 2010-09-29 at 17:34 -0400, Chuck Payne wrote: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Rémy Marquis wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Javier Llorente > > wrote: > >> Hello there, > >> > >> I was thinking that having an openSUSE Handbook (or handbuch ;) in pdf > >> format > >> ready

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Helen
I like the idea of a 'go to' book but understood that this was the function of the wiki. Do I have the wrong impression? Duplicaton of effort is a bad idea, but I do like having the 'best and most current' readily available. A related issue is navigation and SEO of existing material. For instance

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Carlos Ribeiro
yeah! Nelson, talking about cookbooks, makes me remember what I saw last night. http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KIWI_Cookbook_Start_Cooking http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KIWI_Cookbook_Virtual_Image http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KIWI_Cookbook_Own_Cloud awesome http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:KIWI_Cookbook_LiveSys

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Carlos Ribeiro
Javier, Pretty good idea, also I believe will be good if you talk a little bit about our project and idea with Manu because as I know he is working on a project called suseware, http://suseware.com/home/ and If I'm not mistake the main purpose of suseware is to delivery training materials for ope

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Chuck Payne
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Rémy Marquis wrote: > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Javier Llorente wrote: >> Hello there, >> >> I was thinking that having an openSUSE Handbook (or handbuch ;) in pdf format >> ready to be downloaded, printed and even ready to be sent to a publishing >> compan

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Rémy Marquis
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 8:27 PM, Javier Llorente wrote: > Hello there, > > I was thinking that having an openSUSE Handbook (or handbuch ;) in pdf format > ready to be downloaded, printed and even ready to be sent to a publishing > company is a good idea. > > So, here's my proposal: > > First, we w

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Jos Poortvliet
On Wednesday 29 September 2010 20:27:11 Javier Llorente wrote: > Hello there, > > I was thinking that having an openSUSE Handbook (or handbuch ;) in pdf format > ready to be downloaded, printed and even ready to be sent to a publishing > company is a good idea. > > So, here's my proposal: > >

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Nelson Marques
Good stuff, specially if it is at the level of the previous which came with SuSE Linux (I have from 6.0 to 7.1). Though I've really never used them, they used to pack powerful information for anyone moving in to SuSE Linux back then. I look forward to see a community driver 'cook book' for openSUS

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Raul Libório
Would be a complement to http://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Official_documentation? On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 15:27, Javier Llorente wrote: > Hello there, > > I was thinking that having an openSUSE Handbook (or handbuch ;) in pdf format > ready to be downloaded, printed and even ready to be sent to a publi

Re: [opensuse-marketing] The openSUSE Handbook proposal

2010-09-29 Thread Chuck Payne
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 2:27 PM, Javier Llorente wrote: > Hello there, > > I was thinking that having an openSUSE Handbook (or handbuch ;) in pdf format > ready to be downloaded, printed and even ready to be sent to a publishing > company is a good idea. > > So, here's my proposal: > > First, we w