Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-12 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
On Mar 12, 2012, at 13:00, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: > Le 2012-03-06 à 21:04:00, Ivica Ico Bukvic a écrit : > >> I agree, except I don't want to push this notion to the point where >> unpredictable nature of tcl/tk's canvas implementation entirely hampers or >> limits tool's productivity and p

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-12 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2012-03-06 à 21:04:00, Ivica Ico Bukvic a écrit : I agree, except I don't want to push this notion to the point where unpredictable nature of tcl/tk's canvas implementation entirely hampers or limits tool's productivity and provides a half-baked feature. I found Tk to be quite predictable.

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-11 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2012-03-10 à 11:13:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : I don't know, I think that canvas space is somewhat more touchy to manage in pd than in firefox, and I would think that it's not that much about full-width... the full-height seems at least as important... and the fact that pd patches always

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - > From: Jonathan Wilkes > To: Mathieu Bouchard > Cc: pd-list List > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 2:13 PM > Subject: Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43 > > > > - Original Message - >> From: Mathieu Bouchard &g

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-10 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - > From: Mathieu Bouchard > To: Jonathan Wilkes > Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner ; pd-list List > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 1:07 PM > Subject: Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43 > > Le 2012-03-06 à 15:38:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : >

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-10 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2012-03-06 à 15:38:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : Status bar would be like an extra widget (label I guess) running the full width of the window that is below the canvas, so it won't overlap the canvas but wouldn't leave after the tip goes away. How do I say that... Make sure that you don't

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-06 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner > To: Ivica Ico Bukvic > Cc: 'Jonathan Wilkes' ; 'pd-list List' > Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 12:08 AM > Subject: Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43 > > > On Mar 6, 2012, at 9:04

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-06 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
> Even better, off load this to a GUI plugin, then people can choose the > method that works best for them. But I still like Jonathan's original > implementation the best. While there may be "better," neither of them will be best when one relies on the Tcl/tk's implementation that delivers incon

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-06 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Mar 6, 2012, at 9:04 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: >> I think that we should be pushing GUI stuff to the Tcl side of things as >> much as possible, plus I prefer the current tooltip display down on the >> lower right. I find that popups right next to the mouse are often annoying. > > I agree,

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-06 Thread Ivica Ico Bukvic
> I think that we should be pushing GUI stuff to the Tcl side of things as > much as possible, plus I prefer the current tooltip display down on the > lower right. I find that popups right next to the mouse are often annoying. I agree, except I don't want to push this notion to the point where u

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-06 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
iner ; pd-list List > Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 6:00 PM > Subject: Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43 > > Le 2012-03-06 à 14:40:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : > >> There are actually three possibilities-- balloon, statusbar, and window > item at the bottom of

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2012-03-06 à 14:40:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : There are actually three possibilities-- balloon, statusbar, and window item at the bottom of the patch (which is the current pd-extended implementation). I don't know what's the difference between the last two... __

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-06 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - > From: Mathieu Bouchard > To: Jonathan Wilkes > Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner ; pd-list List > Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 5:26 PM > Subject: Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43 > > Le 2012-03-06 à 14:11:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit :

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-06 Thread Mathieu Bouchard
Le 2012-03-06 à 14:11:00, Jonathan Wilkes a écrit : I do, too, but every GUI toolkit and its brother hovers them to the side of the current mouse location. A function for setting the current tooltip of a certain window could look into user settings to figure out automatically whether a certai

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-06 Thread Scott R. Looney
as if i remember Max in the olden days the inlet and outlet descriptors for objects were listed in the left bottom corner of the window. possible to give a choice for either way or is that too much coding overhead? scott On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > > > > > - Ori

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-06 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner > To: Jonathan Wilkes > Cc: pd-list List > Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 4:05 PM > Subject: Re: tooltips in pd-extended 0.43 > > > I think that we should be pushing GUI stuff to the Tcl side of things as > much as possible, plus I

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-06 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
I think that we should be pushing GUI stuff to the Tcl side of things as much as possible, plus I prefer the current tooltip display down on the lower right. I find that popups right next to the mouse are often annoying. .hc On 03/06/2012 02:54 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > - Original Messag

Re: [PD] tooltips in pd-extended 0.43

2012-03-06 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - > From: Jonathan Wilkes > To: Hans-Christoph Steiner > Cc: > Sent: Tuesday, March 6, 2012 2:53 PM > Subject: tooltips in pd-extended 0.43 > > Hello, > Hans asked me to write up an explanation of the new tooltips in > pd-extended > 0.43. > Attached are som

Re: [PD] Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????

2012-01-19 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner > To: Jonathan Wilkes > Cc: Max ; pd list ; Ben > Baker-Smith > Sent: Sunday, January 15, 2012 5:34 PM > Subject: Re: Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF [...] > > Fixing <> is probably a bigger thing than I can m

Re: [PD] Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????

2012-01-15 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 13, 2012, at 12:59 AM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > - Original Message - > >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner >> To: Jonathan Wilkes >> Cc: Max ; pd list ; Ben >> Baker-Smith >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:20 PM >> Subject: Re: Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ??

Re: [PD] Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????

2012-01-12 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner > To: Jonathan Wilkes > Cc: Max ; pd list ; Ben > Baker-Smith > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 11:20 PM > Subject: Re: Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF > > > On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: >

Re: [PD] Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????

2012-01-12 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 12, 2012, at 10:08 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > - Original Message - > >> From: Hans-Christoph Steiner >> To: Jonathan Wilkes >> Cc: Max ; pd list ; Ben >> Baker-Smith >> Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:50 PM >> Subject: Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF >>

Re: [PD] Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????

2012-01-12 Thread Jonathan Wilkes
- Original Message - > From: Hans-Christoph Steiner > To: Jonathan Wilkes > Cc: Max ; pd list ; Ben > Baker-Smith > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 8:50 PM > Subject: Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF > > > On Jan 12, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > >>

[PD] Tooltips in Pd-extended 0.43 WAS: no pd?? WTF ????

2012-01-12 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner
On Jan 12, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: > - Original Message - >> From: Max >> To: Jonathan Wilkes >> Cc: Richie Cyngler ; pd list ; Ben >> Baker-Smith >> Sent: Wednesday, January 11, 2012 7:09 AM >> Subject: Re: [PD] no pd?? WTF >> >> And that's not the end of the v