Re: Flickr?

2024-08-22 Thread Henk Terhell
The status bar for uploading doesn't disappear and shows time out, 
however after reloading the Flickr website the uploaded photo does 
appear in my photo stream.
In the help forum there are plenty of messages on this problem, so I 
guess it will be solved.


Henk

Op 2024-08-22 om 00:09 schreef Mark Roberts:

John Sessoms wrote:


Is anyone else having trouble accessing Flickr? I keep getting this error:


429 Too Many Requests
You have sent too many requests in a given amount of time.

I don't see HOW I could be making too many requests, since I haven't
looked at it for several days, and only tried a few times today (I
wouldn't have even tried more than once today if I hadn't gotten that
error the first time I tried to look at it.

Yep. I've had trouble uploading for the past 24 hours or so.


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Re: Flickr?

2024-08-21 Thread Mark Roberts
John Sessoms wrote:

>Is anyone else having trouble accessing Flickr? I keep getting this error:
>
>> 429 Too Many Requests
>> You have sent too many requests in a given amount of time. 
>
>I don't see HOW I could be making too many requests, since I haven't 
>looked at it for several days, and only tried a few times today (I 
>wouldn't have even tried more than once today if I hadn't gotten that 
>error the first time I tried to look at it.

Yep. I've had trouble uploading for the past 24 hours or so.
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Re: Flickr

2019-08-15 Thread David J Brooks
I think i sorted it out, i hit the create account to see what would happen
and it took me to a page to confirm user email and set new password. I
thought that link was only for new accounts, learn something new
everyday.:-)

Dave

On Thu, Aug 15, 2019 at 11:39 AM John  wrote:

> I still use my Yahoo email address, but they had me choose a new password
> the
> first time I logged in after the split.
>
> On 8/14/2019 10:18:28, David J Brooks wrote:
> > I know Flicker is going through changes because of the take over but i
> > cannot log into my account now. Does anyone have a link or what not to go
> > to to reset this up. I have looked at my old emails and i see nothing
> about
> > setting up any new accounts. It wants me to sign in with yahoo which it
> > does not seem to recognize.
> >
> > Dave
> >
>
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Re: Flickr

2019-08-15 Thread John
I still use my Yahoo email address, but they had me choose a new password the 
first time I logged in after the split.


On 8/14/2019 10:18:28, David J Brooks wrote:

I know Flicker is going through changes because of the take over but i
cannot log into my account now. Does anyone have a link or what not to go
to to reset this up. I have looked at my old emails and i see nothing about
setting up any new accounts. It wants me to sign in with yahoo which it
does not seem to recognize.

Dave




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Re: Flickr

2019-08-15 Thread Henk Terhell
Dave, there is a help link underneath the login box, which lead you to 
answers about deleting your yahoo login.

I have earlier changed to using gmail login

Henk

Op 2019-08-14 om 16:18 schreef David J Brooks:

I know Flicker is going through changes because of the take over but i
cannot log into my account now. Does anyone have a link or what not to go
to to reset this up. I have looked at my old emails and i see nothing about
setting up any new accounts. It wants me to sign in with yahoo which it
does not seem to recognize.

Dave




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Re: Flickr, etc (was: GESO 2018 - 094-099 - GDG)

2018-11-05 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Flickr is much less effort to maintain than that, and has a community of users 
to interact with rather than just being your work on your website. I've done 
both; running your own website is a very different thing compared to 
participation in a service like Flickr. 

G

> On Nov 5, 2018, at 7:11 PM, J.C. O'Connell  wrote:
> 
> why not just buy webspace thru godaddy or something similar and upload
> anything you want, and how you want. my godaddy account is only $99 a year.
> jco



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Re: Flickr

2018-05-20 Thread Jostein

http://pdml.net/pipermail/pdml_pdml.net/2018-April/444379.html

Den 20.05.2018 16:12, skrev c...@lantic.net:
  


As we announced on April 20th [1], Flickr has agreed to be acquired by
SmugMug, 


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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-20 Thread steve harley

On 2015-08-20 24:34 , Larry Colen wrote:

I've been using the fluidr and flickriver front ends for flickr for several
years now.  They provide a much superior front end.
Flickr has gone and broke the api and they no longer work.


sounds like partial breakage — i was just able to paste the tail of a flickr 
URL for one of my albums onto fluidr.com and it worked fine



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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-19 Thread Larry Colen
I've been using the fluidr and flickriver front ends for flickr for 
several years now.  They provide a much superior front end.

Flickr has gone and broke the api and they no longer work.

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-19 Thread Doug Brewer
I'd imagine it's the people who are tired of being asked to install
the Flickr app.

On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 1:36 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> ... Which, of course, leads to the question of who is throwing their phone 
> into,the toilet on purpose. :-)
>
> Godfrey
>
>
>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>
>> I think the assumption is that most people would rather be surprised and 
>> delighted that all the photos they've taken, whether good or bad, are 
>> retrievable when they drop their phone into the toilet by accident*.
>>
>> * I seem to recall reading that 70% (or some gawdawful percentage like that) 
>> of cell phone failures are caused by being dropped into the toilet by 
>> accident.
>>
>> Godfrey
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 10:08 AM, Eric Weir wrote:
>>> ...The assumption seems to be that every photo we take is perfect.
>>
>>
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-17 Thread Bulent Celasun
>BTW, nothing is "free".

It took me about half a century to realize that :(

Now, I know.

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2015-08-11 13:16 GMT+03:00 Knarf :
> The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if it's 
> "free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my browser without 
> having to join, register and be a part of something.
>
> I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone in my 
> thinking; wouldn't be the first time.
>
> BTW, nothing is "free".
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works fine
>>in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't try
>>to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there.
>>
>>Godfrey
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf  wrote:
>>>
>>> I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're
>>all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine,
>>but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at
>>least once.
>>>
>>> Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their
>>app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.
>>>
>>> However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie
>>so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:
>>>
>>> Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.
>>>
>>> Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of
>>their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
>>>
>>> I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show
>>their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all
>>that's evil about capitalism.
>>>
>>> Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-17 Thread Eric Weir

> On Aug 14, 2015, at 3:28 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> On iOS 8 and later, developers can supply "app extensions" in addition to 
> apps. What this provides is a secure way for, say, Photos to directly use the 
> Flickr Uploader without the Flickr app having access to the Photos secure, 
> sandboxed file system. 
> 
> The Flickr app delivers an app extension that allows Photos (at the user's 
> behest) to upload image files to Flickr directly. 

Thanks, Godfrey. Something like publishing services in Lightroom, I take it.

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Brian Walters
On Sat, Aug 15, 2015, at 03:36 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:
> ... Which, of course, leads to the question of who is throwing their
> phone into,the toilet on purpose. :-)


Many's the time I've considered it...

And the laptop too.



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> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
> > On Aug 14, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> > 
> > I think the assumption is that most people would rather be surprised and 
> > delighted that all the photos they've taken, whether good or bad, are 
> > retrievable when they drop their phone into the toilet by accident*. 
> > 
> > * I seem to recall reading that 70% (or some gawdawful percentage like 
> > that) of cell phone failures are caused by being dropped into the toilet by 
> > accident.
> > 
> > Godfrey
> > 
> > 
> >> On Aug 14, 2015, at 10:08 AM, Eric Weir wrote:
> >> ...The assumption seems to be that every photo we take is perfect.
> > 
> > 
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread steve harley

On 2015-08-14 12:41 , Eric Weir wrote:

By “Flickr extension” do you mean the app?


Godfrey explained the concept; specifically you use the Flickr extension 
when you are viewing an image in Photos, you click the "send to" icon 
(square with an arrow extending up from it), and you choose Flickr — if the 
Flickr app has already been signed in, this is a quick way to upload a photo 
without launching the Flickr app


another relevant use for extensions is that some third-party photo apps 
offer their editing tools for use directly within the Photos app, so you can 
do more types of editing than Photos alone offers, but you don't have to 
launch another app, similar to third party filters in Photoshop; here's a 
list i googled up to give you some ideas what this means; i personally use 
Skitch, Afterlight and Camera+ this way






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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On iOS 8 and later, developers can supply "app extensions" in addition to apps. 
What this provides is a secure way for, say, Photos to directly use the Flickr 
Uploader without the Flickr app having access to the Photos secure, sandboxed 
file system. 

The Flickr app delivers an app extension that allows Photos (at the user's 
behest) to upload image files to Flickr directly. 

Godfrey


On Aug 14, 2015, at 11:41 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:

>> i just used the Flickr extension to upload a photo from my iPhone's camera 
>> roll; it asked me which destination album and uploaded the one image with no 
>> further interaction; this didn't turn on auto-uploads
> 
> By “Flickr extension” do you mean the app?

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Eric Weir

> On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:08 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> 
> On 2015-08-14 6:10 , Eric Weir wrote:
> 
>> As one poster on the Flickr help forum suggested, auto upload should have 
>> been an opt-in not an op-out feature. Why anyone would want ALL the photos 
>> they take uploaded to Flickr is beyond me. The assumption seems to be that 
>> every photo we take is perfect.
> 
> i have the Flickr app on my iPhone; i just signed in with it yesterday as a 
> test for this thread; i don't believe it asked me about auto-uploads, and 
> it's not doing auto-uploads; there's nothing new on my Flickr account since 
> 2011; i see in the app the control to "Turn Auto-Uploadr On" — it's pretty 
> clearly an opt-in

I suspect you are right, though do not recall opting in.
> 
> i just used the Flickr extension to upload a photo from my iPhone's camera 
> roll; it asked me which destination album and uploaded the one image with no 
> further interaction; this didn't turn on auto-uploads

By “Flickr extension” do you mean the app?

> there are plenty of people who would want all their photos uploaded — for 
> some the cloud is the only place they manage their photos; and multiple 
> services are competing to auto-upload all your photos, since if all your 
> photos are with a service, it creates some lock-in for other services or 
> paying for more storage

As I say, I may decide join them sometime down the road. 

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
On Fri, Aug 14, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
>
> I expect a Japanese toilet designer already has something on the drawing 
> board to detect the presence of a phone falling past the rim and 
> automatically send all the contents (of the phone, not the toilet, though I'm 
> not sure a mere algorithm would be able to tell the difference) to Flickr.
>
> They could call it Shitr.


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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Bob W-PDML
I expect a Japanese toilet designer already has something on the drawing board 
to detect the presence of a phone falling past the rim and automatically send 
all the contents (of the phone, not the toilet, though I'm not sure a mere 
algorithm would be able to tell the difference) to Flickr. 

They could call it Shitr.

B



> On 14 Aug 2015, at 18:37, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> ... Which, of course, leads to the question of who is throwing their phone 
> into,the toilet on purpose. :-)
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> I think the assumption is that most people would rather be surprised and 
>> delighted that all the photos they've taken, whether good or bad, are 
>> retrievable when they drop their phone into the toilet by accident*. 
>> 
>> * I seem to recall reading that 70% (or some gawdawful percentage like that) 
>> of cell phone failures are caused by being dropped into the toilet by 
>> accident.
>> 
>> Godfrey
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 10:08 AM, Eric Weir wrote:
>>> ...The assumption seems to be that every photo we take is perfect.
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread steve harley

On 2015-08-14 11:35 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:

I think the assumption is that most people would rather be surprised and 
delighted that all the photos they've taken, whether good or bad, are 
retrievable when they drop their phone into the toilet by accident*.


good point; i personally like Photo Stream, but don't use iCloud Photo 
Library; i do understand the appeal of auto-upload features in cameras




* I seem to recall reading that 70% (or some gawdawful percentage like that) of 
cell phone failures are caused by being dropped into the toilet by accident.


here's some (small sample size) data to put nuance to that stat:




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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Eric Weir
Yes, a much more charitable interpretation. And of course, Flickr aside, I'm 
already saving all my photos, including the great majority that are not worth 
saving, on hard drives via Lightroom. Perhaps at some point I'll decide having 
a backup in the cloud somewhere as well is wise.

> On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:35 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I think the assumption is that most people would rather be surprised and 
> delighted that all the photos they've taken, whether good or bad, are 
> retrievable when they drop their phone into the toilet by accident*. 
> 
> * I seem to recall reading that 70% (or some gawdawful percentage like that) 
> of cell phone failures are caused by being dropped into the toilet by 
> accident.
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 10:08 AM, Eric Weir wrote:
>> ...The assumption seems to be that every photo we take is perfect.
> 
> 
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
... Which, of course, leads to the question of who is throwing their phone 
into,the toilet on purpose. :-)

Godfrey


> On Aug 14, 2015, at 10:35 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I think the assumption is that most people would rather be surprised and 
> delighted that all the photos they've taken, whether good or bad, are 
> retrievable when they drop their phone into the toilet by accident*. 
> 
> * I seem to recall reading that 70% (or some gawdawful percentage like that) 
> of cell phone failures are caused by being dropped into the toilet by 
> accident.
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
>> On Aug 14, 2015, at 10:08 AM, Eric Weir wrote:
>> ...The assumption seems to be that every photo we take is perfect.
> 
> 

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I think the assumption is that most people would rather be surprised and 
delighted that all the photos they've taken, whether good or bad, are 
retrievable when they drop their phone into the toilet by accident*. 

* I seem to recall reading that 70% (or some gawdawful percentage like that) of 
cell phone failures are caused by being dropped into the toilet by accident.

Godfrey


> On Aug 14, 2015, at 10:08 AM, Eric Weir wrote:
> ...The assumption seems to be that every photo we take is perfect.



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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread steve harley

On 2015-08-14 6:10 , Eric Weir wrote:


As one poster on the Flickr help forum suggested, auto upload should have been 
an opt-in not an op-out feature. Why anyone would want ALL the photos they take 
uploaded to Flickr is beyond me. The assumption seems to be that every photo we 
take is perfect.


i have the Flickr app on my iPhone; i just signed in with it yesterday as a 
test for this thread; i don't believe it asked me about auto-uploads, and 
it's not doing auto-uploads; there's nothing new on my Flickr account since 
2011; i see in the app the control to "Turn Auto-Uploadr On" — it's pretty 
clearly an opt-in


i just used the Flickr extension to upload a photo from my iPhone's camera 
roll; it asked me which destination album and uploaded the one image with no 
further interaction; this didn't turn on auto-uploads


there are plenty of people who would want all their photos uploaded — for 
some the cloud is the only place they manage their photos; and multiple 
services are competing to auto-upload all your photos, since if all your 
photos are with a service, it creates some lock-in for other services or 
paying for more storage


Apple supplies the same type of service with iCloud Photo Library, or just 
the most recent photos with Photo Stream


my partner recently discovered Dropbox was auto-uploading everything on her 
phone; i'm pretty sure she okayed it without realizing it; we get too used 
to clicking OK, and the services have an incentive to make the "opt-in" as 
frictionless as possible


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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Eric Weir

> On Aug 14, 2015, at 9:33 AM, Bob W  wrote:
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Eric Weir.
>> 
>> Albums will continue to appear in the original order?? Surely not!!
> 
> That is the nature of streams.

I understand that about individual images, but the instructions were 
instructions for reordering albums.

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Eric Weir

> On Aug 14, 2015, at 9:44 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> I wonder if it would be possible to download from Flickr the 12 edited
> photos you want to keep, and upload them again after you delete the album?

Not necessary, John. For one, I still have the original edited copies in 
Lightroom. And it turns out my assumption that when all the photos were 
uploaded the 12 edited copies were overwritten was mistaken. So after deleting 
all the photos in the auto upload album—again, from Flickr, not just the 
album—the 12 original edited copies were still there.
 
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Eric Weir

> On Aug 14, 2015, at 9:32 AM, Bob W  wrote:
> 
>> The assumption seems to
>> be that every photo we take is perfect.
> 
> You are being to achieve wisdom, grasshopper

Well, I don’t know about wisdom, photography-wise anyway. I do know that by far 
most of my images are worthless.

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread John

I wonder if it would be possible to download from Flickr the 12 edited
photos you want to keep, and upload them again after you delete the album?

On 8/14/2015 8:10 AM, Eric Weir wrote:



On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Eric Weir 
wrote:

I haven't noticed them trying to get anything from me. And to my
tastes their app works fine. If they asked for suggestions for
improvement, I wouldn't know what to say. But perhaps I am just
naive.


Well, I have to eat my words.

Back in December I transferred 46 family photos taken on Christmas
day from my iPhone to Lightroom on my MacBook. Subsequently I posted
edited versions of 12 photos to an album on Flickr. As I understand
it now, it seems that in the last upgrade of the Flickr mobile app
auto upload was set as default. When I went to Flickr for the first
time in a while yesterday I discovered that the Flickr app had
uploaded all the photos on my phone, including the 46 from Christmas
day, thus overriding the 12 photos that I had edited and uploaded
from Lightroom.

I have reset the app not to auto upload, but It appears the only way
to get rid of the auto upload album on Flickr is to delete all the
photos in it. Doing that would delete that 12 photos uploaded back in
December, though the current copies lack whatever editing I did in
Lightroom. So it seems the only way to get back to square one with
the Christmas album is to go ahead and delete all the photos in the
upload album and then re-upload the 12 edited copies from Lightroom.
A lot of trouble that I should not have been put through.

As one poster on the Flickr help forum suggested, auto upload should
have been an opt-in not an op-out feature. Why anyone would want ALL
the photos they take uploaded to Flickr is beyond me. The assumption
seems to be that every photo we take is perfect.

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RE: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Bob W
> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Eric Weir
> 
> > On Aug 14, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> >
> > So it seems the only way to get back to square one with the Christmas
> album is to go ahead and delete all the photos in the upload album and then
> re-upload the 12 edited copies from Lightroom.
> 
> After I do that I’d like to reorder my Flick albums, so the Christmas album
> appears at its original place in the timeline. Checking Flickr help about how 
> to
> do that, this is what I got:
> 
> You can change the order in which your albums are displayed on the Albums
> page. Here's how.
>   • Mouse over You | select Organize.
>   • Click the Albums & Collections tab.
>   • Drag and drop the albums in the order you want them to be in.
> The order will automatically be saved.
> Remember - Your albums and photos will continue to appear in the original
> order that you uploaded them in on your photostream.
> 
> Albums will continue to appear in the original order?? Surely not!!

That is the nature of streams.

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RE: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Bob W
> The assumption seems to
> be that every photo we take is perfect.

You are being to achieve wisdom, grasshopper

B

> -Original Message-
> From: PDML [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Eric Weir
> Sent: 14 August 2015 13:11
> To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List 
> Subject: Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards
> 
> 
> > On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> >
> > I haven't noticed them trying to get anything from me. And to my tastes
> their app works fine. If they asked for suggestions for improvement, I
> wouldn't know what to say. But perhaps I am just naive.
> 
> Well, I have to eat my words.
> 
> Back in December I transferred 46 family photos taken on Christmas day from
> my iPhone to Lightroom on my MacBook. Subsequently I posted edited
> versions of 12 photos to an album on Flickr. As I understand it now, it seems
> that in the last upgrade of the Flickr mobile app auto upload was set as
> default. When I went to Flickr for the first time in a while yesterday I
> discovered that the Flickr app had uploaded all the photos on my phone,
> including the 46 from Christmas day, thus overriding the 12 photos that I had
> edited and uploaded from Lightroom.
> 
> I have reset the app not to auto upload, but It appears the only way to get 
> rid
> of the auto upload album on Flickr is to delete all the photos in it. Doing 
> that
> would delete that 12 photos uploaded back in December, though the current
> copies lack whatever editing I did in Lightroom. So it seems the only way to
> get back to square one with the Christmas album is to go ahead and delete all
> the photos in the upload album and then re-upload the 12 edited copies
> from Lightroom. A lot of trouble that I should not have been put through.
> 
> As one poster on the Flickr help forum suggested, auto upload should have
> been an opt-in not an op-out feature. Why anyone would want ALL the
> photos they take uploaded to Flickr is beyond me. The assumption seems to
> be that every photo we take is perfect.
> 
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> 
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Eric Weir

> On Aug 14, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> So it seems the only way to get back to square one with the Christmas album 
> is to go ahead and delete all the photos in the upload album and then 
> re-upload the 12 edited copies from Lightroom. A lot of trouble that I should 
> not have been put through.

Well, not exactly a false alarm, but it wasn’t as bad as I thought it would be. 
After deleting all the photos in the photo album—deleting them from Flickr, not 
just the album—I found that the 12 images uploaded back in December are still 
there. 

I don’t know how to explain this. Obviously the edited copies uploaded in 
December were not overwritten when the unedited copies were uploaded by the 
app. Which seem contrary to Flickr’s policy otherwise.

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Eric Weir

> On Aug 14, 2015, at 8:10 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> So it seems the only way to get back to square one with the Christmas album 
> is to go ahead and delete all the photos in the upload album and then 
> re-upload the 12 edited copies from Lightroom. 

After I do that I’d like to reorder my Flick albums, so the Christmas album 
appears at its original place in the timeline. Checking Flickr help about how 
to do that, this is what I got:

You can change the order in which your albums are displayed on the Albums page. 
Here's how.
• Mouse over You | select Organize.
• Click the Albums & Collections tab.
• Drag and drop the albums in the order you want them to be in.
The order will automatically be saved.
Remember - Your albums and photos will continue to appear in the original order 
that you uploaded them in on your photostream.

Albums will continue to appear in the original order?? Surely not!!

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Bill

On 14/08/2015 6:10 AM, Eric Weir wrote:



 The assumption

seems to be that every photo we take is perfect.


Yes well, for some of us, that is just how it works.

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-14 Thread Eric Weir

> On Aug 11, 2015, at 6:20 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> I haven't noticed them trying to get anything from me. And to my tastes their 
> app works fine. If they asked for suggestions for improvement, I wouldn't 
> know what to say. But perhaps I am just naive.

Well, I have to eat my words.

Back in December I transferred 46 family photos taken on Christmas day from my 
iPhone to Lightroom on my MacBook. Subsequently I posted edited versions of 12 
photos to an album on Flickr. As I understand it now, it seems that in the last 
upgrade of the Flickr mobile app auto upload was set as default. When I went to 
Flickr for the first time in a while yesterday I discovered that the Flickr app 
had uploaded all the photos on my phone, including the 46 from Christmas day, 
thus overriding the 12 photos that I had edited and uploaded from Lightroom. 

I have reset the app not to auto upload, but It appears the only way to get rid 
of the auto upload album on Flickr is to delete all the photos in it. Doing 
that would delete that 12 photos uploaded back in December, though the current 
copies lack whatever editing I did in Lightroom. So it seems the only way to 
get back to square one with the Christmas album is to go ahead and delete all 
the photos in the upload album and then re-upload the 12 edited copies from 
Lightroom. A lot of trouble that I should not have been put through.

As one poster on the Flickr help forum suggested, auto upload should have been 
an opt-in not an op-out feature. Why anyone would want ALL the photos they take 
uploaded to Flickr is beyond me. The assumption seems to be that every photo we 
take is perfect. 

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-12 Thread Igor PDML-StR



 steve harley Wed, 12 Aug 2015 13:42:07 -0700 wrote:


On 2015-08-11 19:16 , Igor PDML-StR wrote:

  Godfrey DiGiorgi Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:03:07 -0700 wrote:

The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or
information from or about me that the website doesn't already have or
acquire from use.


That's true only if you keep your contacts book on your phone empty, or if
you list all your contacts on Flickr website, with all their phone numbers,
addresses, etc.



is that so on Android? it's not the case on iOS - i don't know that from
specific experience, i know because all third party apps require permission
to access contacts


Yes, Steve, I was talking about Android.
(Sorry, I had written that in my previous message in this thread but 
didn't explicitly repeated in the one you responded to). On Android Flickr 
app gets permission to read contacts. I am not priveleged to know what it 
then does with that information.


Note, that on Android you do not have a possibility to choose which 
individual permissions you grant or not to a certain app: you either 
accept the list of the permissions required by the app at the time of 
installation/update, or you do not install the app. From what I 
understand, this is quite different from what you can do on iOS (at least 
on iOS 6).


I hope this clarifies my previous response.

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
On Aug 12, 2015, at 1:41 PM, steve harley  wrote:

>> On 2015-08-11 19:16 , Igor PDML-StR wrote:
>>  Godfrey DiGiorgi Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:03:07 -0700 wrote:
>>> The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or
>>> information from or about me that the website doesn't already have or
>>> acquire from use.
>> 
>> That's true only if you keep your contacts book on your phone empty, or if
>> you list all your contacts on Flickr website, with all their phone numbers,
>> addresses, etc.
> 
> is that so on Android? it's not the case on iOS — i don't know that from 
> specific experience, i know because all third party apps require permission 
> to access contacts
> 
> in fact, just fired up the app on iOS and signed in for the first time; 
> shared a photo via email — app used iOS services and never asked for contacts 
> access

Exactly. iOS enforces much greater security than Android. 

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-12 Thread steve harley

On 2015-08-11 19:16 , Igor PDML-StR wrote:

  Godfrey DiGiorgi Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:03:07 -0700 wrote:

The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or
information from or about me that the website doesn't already have or
acquire from use.


That's true only if you keep your contacts book on your phone empty, or if
you list all your contacts on Flickr website, with all their phone numbers,
addresses, etc.


is that so on Android? it's not the case on iOS — i don't know that from 
specific experience, i know because all third party apps require permission 
to access contacts


in fact, just fired up the app on iOS and signed in for the first time; 
shared a photo via email — app used iOS services and never asked for 
contacts access


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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-12 Thread steve harley

On 2015-08-11 15:19 , Bob W-PDML wrote:

It's part of a general trend towards the Compuserve/AOL model of trying to lock 
people into proprietary access to stuff so that the vendors can get their 
sweaty hands on your teats and milk you.


i understand the feeling, and i sympathize with Knarf's complaint, but it's 
worth pointing out that Flickr is not as hard a silo as many other services


Flickr has a pretty good API, plus the website is full service (afaik, you 
can get anything done without an app); if a mobile site is sucky, i 
generally try another browser or just don't use it much on mobile (long live 
the desktop!)




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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Knarf
Well, we don't get much call for it around here, sir.

Cheers,

frank

On 11 August, 2015 11:58:50 PM EDT, John  wrote:
>Can we at least get some cheese with that whine?
>
>On 8/11/2015 7:22 PM, Brian Walters wrote:
>> On Wed, Aug 12, 2015, at 08:14 AM, Knarf wrote:
>>> Bottom line: I'll whine if I feel like it!
>>
>>
>> I'm with you!  Whine on!!
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> ++
>> Brian Walters
>> Western Sydney Australia
>> http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> LOL
>>>
>>> cheers,
>>>
>>> frank
>>>
>>> On 11 August, 2015 5:02:11 PM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
>>> wrote:
 I don't participate in this general overweening cynicism and
>paranoia

 Facebook sucks big time anyway. I don't give them any information I
 don't have to, and hate it that all you who only communicate using
>it
 forces me to have an account there to communicate with you.

 The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or
 information from or about me that the  website doesn't already have
>or
 acquire from use.

 Flickr's "crappy little app" is in most ways better implemented
>than
 their browser pages, and presents photos much more speedily and
>with
 higher quality than most browsers, regardless of platform. It
>presents
 a cleaner, nicer viewing experience.

 I can think of many more annoying internet things to bitch about
>than
 the Flickr app, which happens to work very well, costs nothing,
>etc.

 Godfrey


> On Aug 11, 2015, at 12:27 PM, ann sanfedele 
 wrote:
>
> I'm with you guyson this.  Facebook keeps wanting me to give them
>my
 phone number (slightly diff, but related) tellin gme that will be
 safer.
> huh? I think not.
>
> On the otherhand, I'd like it if everyone who was viewing photos
 online would skip doing that on their phones and wait until they
>got to
 their desktops or laptops or at least an 8 x 10" screen on IPAD or
>the
 equivalent.
>
> ann
>
>
>
>> On 8/11/2015 3:11 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>> On 11 Aug 2015, at 11:17, Knarf 
>wrote:
>>> The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care
>if
 it's "free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my
 browser without having to join, register and be a part of
>something.
>>>
>>> I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm
>alone
 in my thinking; wouldn't be the first time.
>> You are not alone. [1]
>>
>> There is a plague of sites trying to get me to download their
 f_cking crappy little apps. It's completely stupid and entirely
 contrary to what the www is about and they can all just f_ck right
>off
 as far as I'm concerned.
>>
>> Incidentally, I see the same fuzzy-image behaviour from F_ckr as
>you
 do, although it does sometimes resolve itself, eventually, if I
>have
 the patience to wait. That's with Safari on an iPad.
>>
>> [1] one of my favourite book titles is a collection of readers'
 letters to the Daily Telegraph, called "Am I alone in
>thinking...?".
>>
>> B
>>
>>> BTW, nothing is "free".
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> frank
>>>
 On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi
  wrote:
 I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website
>works
 fine
 in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It
>doesn't
 try
 to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos
>there.

 Godfrey


> On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf 
 wrote:
>
> I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because
 they're
 all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer
>they're
 fine,
 but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this
 list at
 least once.
> Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download
 their
 app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their
 app.
> However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud
 piccie
 so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess
>what:
> Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.
>
> Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just
>because
 of
 their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
> I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to
>show
 their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against
>all
 that's evil about capitalism.
> Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread John

Can we at least get some cheese with that whine?

On 8/11/2015 7:22 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015, at 08:14 AM, Knarf wrote:

Bottom line: I'll whine if I feel like it!



I'm with you!  Whine on!!


Cheers

Brian

++
Brian Walters
Western Sydney Australia
http://lyons-ryan.org/southernlight/





LOL

cheers,

frank

On 11 August, 2015 5:02:11 PM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
wrote:

I don't participate in this general overweening cynicism and paranoia

Facebook sucks big time anyway. I don't give them any information I
don't have to, and hate it that all you who only communicate using it
forces me to have an account there to communicate with you.

The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or
information from or about me that the  website doesn't already have or
acquire from use.

Flickr's "crappy little app" is in most ways better implemented than
their browser pages, and presents photos much more speedily and with
higher quality than most browsers, regardless of platform. It presents
a cleaner, nicer viewing experience.

I can think of many more annoying internet things to bitch about than
the Flickr app, which happens to work very well, costs nothing, etc.

Godfrey



On Aug 11, 2015, at 12:27 PM, ann sanfedele 

wrote:


I'm with you guyson this.  Facebook keeps wanting me to give them my

phone number (slightly diff, but related) tellin gme that will be
safer.

huh? I think not.

On the otherhand, I'd like it if everyone who was viewing photos

online would skip doing that on their phones and wait until they got to
their desktops or laptops or at least an 8 x 10" screen on IPAD or the
equivalent.


ann




On 8/11/2015 3:11 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 11 Aug 2015, at 11:17, Knarf  wrote:
The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if

it's "free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my
browser without having to join, register and be a part of something.


I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone

in my thinking; wouldn't be the first time.

You are not alone. [1]

There is a plague of sites trying to get me to download their

f_cking crappy little apps. It's completely stupid and entirely
contrary to what the www is about and they can all just f_ck right off
as far as I'm concerned.


Incidentally, I see the same fuzzy-image behaviour from F_ckr as you

do, although it does sometimes resolve itself, eventually, if I have
the patience to wait. That's with Safari on an iPad.


[1] one of my favourite book titles is a collection of readers'

letters to the Daily Telegraph, called "Am I alone in thinking...?".


B


BTW, nothing is "free".

Cheers,

frank


On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi

 wrote:

I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works

fine

in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't

try

to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there.

Godfrey



On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf 

wrote:


I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because

they're

all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're

fine,

but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this

list at

least once.

Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download

their

app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their

app.

However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud

piccie

so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:

Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.

Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because

of

their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.

I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show

their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all
that's evil about capitalism.

Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Superb!

 Mark Roberts Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:43:39 -0700 wrote:

http://xkcd.com/1174/

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Igor PDML-StR



 Godfrey DiGiorgi Tue, 11 Aug 2015 14:03:07 -0700 wrote:

Facebook sucks big time anyway. I don't give them any information I 
don't have to, and hate it that all you who only communicate using it 
forces me to have an account there to communicate with you.


And I have it disabled on my cell phone, because my provider locked, and I 
am too reluctant to root the phone and delete it.



The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or 
information from or about me that the website doesn't already have or 
acquire from use.


That's true only if you keep your contacts book on your phone empty, or if 
you list all your contacts on Flickr website, with all their phone 
numbers, addresses, etc.



I can think of many more annoying internet things to bitch about than 
the Flickr app, which happens to work very well, costs nothing, etc.


http://goo.gl/qWr5p0

:-)

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Mark Roberts

On 8/11/2015 7:22 PM, Brian Walters wrote:

On Wed, Aug 12, 2015, at 08:14 AM, Knarf wrote:

Bottom line: I'll whine if I feel like it!

I'm with you!  Whine on!!


I agree completely. True, there's very little chance they'll change 
anything but if no one complains there's a 0% chance they'll change 
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Brian Walters
On Wed, Aug 12, 2015, at 08:14 AM, Knarf wrote:
> Bottom line: I'll whine if I feel like it!


I'm with you!  Whine on!!


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> 
> LOL
> 
> cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
> On 11 August, 2015 5:02:11 PM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi 
> wrote:
> >I don't participate in this general overweening cynicism and paranoia 
> >
> >Facebook sucks big time anyway. I don't give them any information I
> >don't have to, and hate it that all you who only communicate using it
> >forces me to have an account there to communicate with you. 
> >
> >The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or
> >information from or about me that the  website doesn't already have or
> >acquire from use. 
> >
> >Flickr's "crappy little app" is in most ways better implemented than
> >their browser pages, and presents photos much more speedily and with
> >higher quality than most browsers, regardless of platform. It presents
> >a cleaner, nicer viewing experience. 
> >
> >I can think of many more annoying internet things to bitch about than
> >the Flickr app, which happens to work very well, costs nothing, etc. 
> >
> >Godfrey
> >
> >
> >> On Aug 11, 2015, at 12:27 PM, ann sanfedele 
> >wrote:
> >> 
> >> I'm with you guyson this.  Facebook keeps wanting me to give them my
> >phone number (slightly diff, but related) tellin gme that will be
> >safer.
> >> huh? I think not.
> >> 
> >> On the otherhand, I'd like it if everyone who was viewing photos
> >online would skip doing that on their phones and wait until they got to
> >their desktops or laptops or at least an 8 x 10" screen on IPAD or the
> >equivalent.
> >> 
> >> ann
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >>> On 8/11/2015 3:11 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>  On 11 Aug 2015, at 11:17, Knarf  wrote:
>  The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if
> >it's "free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my
> >browser without having to join, register and be a part of something.
>  
>  I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone
> >in my thinking; wouldn't be the first time.
> >>> You are not alone. [1]
> >>> 
> >>> There is a plague of sites trying to get me to download their
> >f_cking crappy little apps. It's completely stupid and entirely
> >contrary to what the www is about and they can all just f_ck right off
> >as far as I'm concerned.
> >>> 
> >>> Incidentally, I see the same fuzzy-image behaviour from F_ckr as you
> >do, although it does sometimes resolve itself, eventually, if I have
> >the patience to wait. That's with Safari on an iPad.
> >>> 
> >>> [1] one of my favourite book titles is a collection of readers'
> >letters to the Daily Telegraph, called "Am I alone in thinking...?".
> >>> 
> >>> B
> >>> 
>  BTW, nothing is "free".
>  
>  Cheers,
>  
>  frank
>  
> > On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi
> > wrote:
> > I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works
> >fine
> > in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't
> >try
> > to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there.
> > 
> > Godfrey
> > 
> > 
> >> On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf 
> >wrote:
> >> 
> >> I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because
> >they're
> > all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're
> >fine,
> > but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this
> >list at
> > least once.
> >> Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download
> >their
> > app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their
> >app.
> >> However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud
> >piccie
> > so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:
> >> Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.
> >> 
> >> Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because
> >of
> > their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
> >> I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show
> > their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all
> > that's evil about capitalism.
> >> Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Eric Weir
I haven't noticed them trying to get anything from me. And to my tastes their 
app works fine. If they asked for suggestions for improvement, I wouldn't know 
what to say. But perhaps I am just naive.

> On Aug 11, 2015, at 5:19 PM, Bob W-PDML  wrote:
> 
> It's part of a general trend towards the Compuserve/AOL model of trying to 
> lock people into proprietary access to stuff so that the vendors can get 
> their sweaty hands on your teats and milk you.
> 
> B
> 
>> On 11 Aug 2015, at 22:02, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> 
>> I don't participate in this general overweening cynicism and paranoia 
>> 
>> Facebook sucks big time anyway. I don't give them any information I don't 
>> have to, and hate it that all you who only communicate using it forces me to 
>> have an account there to communicate with you. 
>> 
>> The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or 
>> information from or about me that the  website doesn't already have or 
>> acquire from use. 
>> 
>> Flickr's "crappy little app" is in most ways better implemented than their 
>> browser pages, and presents photos much more speedily and with higher 
>> quality than most browsers, regardless of platform. It presents a cleaner, 
>> nicer viewing experience. 
>> 
>> I can think of many more annoying internet things to bitch about than the 
>> Flickr app, which happens to work very well, costs nothing, etc. 
>> 
>> Godfrey
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 11, 2015, at 12:27 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm with you guyson this.  Facebook keeps wanting me to give them my phone 
>>> number (slightly diff, but related) tellin gme that will be safer.
>>> huh? I think not.
>>> 
>>> On the otherhand, I'd like it if everyone who was viewing photos online 
>>> would skip doing that on their phones and wait until they got to their 
>>> desktops or laptops or at least an 8 x 10" screen on IPAD or the equivalent.
>>> 
>>> ann
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
> On 8/11/2015 3:11 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
> On 11 Aug 2015, at 11:17, Knarf  wrote:
> The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if it's 
> "free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my browser 
> without having to join, register and be a part of something.
> 
> I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone in my 
> thinking; wouldn't be the first time.
 You are not alone. [1]
 
 There is a plague of sites trying to get me to download their f_cking 
 crappy little apps. It's completely stupid and entirely contrary to what 
 the www is about and they can all just f_ck right off as far as I'm 
 concerned.
 
 Incidentally, I see the same fuzzy-image behaviour from F_ckr as you do, 
 although it does sometimes resolve itself, eventually, if I have the 
 patience to wait. That's with Safari on an iPad.
 
 [1] one of my favourite book titles is a collection of readers' letters to 
 the Daily Telegraph, called "Am I alone in thinking...?".
 
 B
 
> BTW, nothing is "free".
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
>> On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
>> wrote:
>> I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works fine
>> in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't try
>> to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there.
>> 
>> Godfrey
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're
>> all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine,
>> but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at
>> least once.
>>> Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their
>> app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.
>>> However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie
>> so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:
>>> Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.
>>> 
>>> Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of
>> their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
>>> I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show
>> their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all
>> that's evil about capitalism.
>>> Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Knarf
Bottom line: I'll whine if I feel like it!

LOL

cheers,

frank

On 11 August, 2015 5:02:11 PM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>I don't participate in this general overweening cynicism and paranoia 
>
>Facebook sucks big time anyway. I don't give them any information I
>don't have to, and hate it that all you who only communicate using it
>forces me to have an account there to communicate with you. 
>
>The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or
>information from or about me that the  website doesn't already have or
>acquire from use. 
>
>Flickr's "crappy little app" is in most ways better implemented than
>their browser pages, and presents photos much more speedily and with
>higher quality than most browsers, regardless of platform. It presents
>a cleaner, nicer viewing experience. 
>
>I can think of many more annoying internet things to bitch about than
>the Flickr app, which happens to work very well, costs nothing, etc. 
>
>Godfrey
>
>
>> On Aug 11, 2015, at 12:27 PM, ann sanfedele 
>wrote:
>> 
>> I'm with you guyson this.  Facebook keeps wanting me to give them my
>phone number (slightly diff, but related) tellin gme that will be
>safer.
>> huh? I think not.
>> 
>> On the otherhand, I'd like it if everyone who was viewing photos
>online would skip doing that on their phones and wait until they got to
>their desktops or laptops or at least an 8 x 10" screen on IPAD or the
>equivalent.
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 8/11/2015 3:11 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
 On 11 Aug 2015, at 11:17, Knarf  wrote:
 The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if
>it's "free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my
>browser without having to join, register and be a part of something.
 
 I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone
>in my thinking; wouldn't be the first time.
>>> You are not alone. [1]
>>> 
>>> There is a plague of sites trying to get me to download their
>f_cking crappy little apps. It's completely stupid and entirely
>contrary to what the www is about and they can all just f_ck right off
>as far as I'm concerned.
>>> 
>>> Incidentally, I see the same fuzzy-image behaviour from F_ckr as you
>do, although it does sometimes resolve itself, eventually, if I have
>the patience to wait. That's with Safari on an iPad.
>>> 
>>> [1] one of my favourite book titles is a collection of readers'
>letters to the Daily Telegraph, called "Am I alone in thinking...?".
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
 BTW, nothing is "free".
 
 Cheers,
 
 frank
 
> On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi
> wrote:
> I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works
>fine
> in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't
>try
> to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there.
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf 
>wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because
>they're
> all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're
>fine,
> but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this
>list at
> least once.
>> Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download
>their
> app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their
>app.
>> However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud
>piccie
> so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:
>> Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.
>> 
>> Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because
>of
> their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
>> I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show
> their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all
> that's evil about capitalism.
>> Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Larry Colen



Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote:


The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or information 
from or about me that the  website doesn't already have or acquire from use.

Flickr's "crappy little app" is in most ways better implemented than their 
browser pages, and presents photos much more speedily and with higher quality than most 
browsers, regardless of platform. It presents a cleaner, nicer viewing experience.


There are some things that the app does well, but there are a lot of 
things I do on the web site that it simply doesn't do.  The mobile site 
has a wealth of it's own suckage as well.


My biggest gripe is that flickr doesn't understand consent culture.  If 
I say "no" that doesn't mean to keep asking me until I break down and 
give in. It is trivial to store a cookie that says "no, they don't want 
the app, or they have already installed the app and are choosing to 
access it via the website".


What is even worse is that for some reason, clicking the dismiss seems 
to just take it back to the same page that causes it to reload the nag 
page and it can be damn near impossible to get around it to what I 
actually want to see.




I can think of many more annoying internet things to bitch about than the 
Flickr app, which happens to work very well, costs nothing, etc.


By that measure, there are far more important things to discuss than the 
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Mark Roberts

http://xkcd.com/1174/


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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Bob W-PDML
It's part of a general trend towards the Compuserve/AOL model of trying to lock 
people into proprietary access to stuff so that the vendors can get their 
sweaty hands on your teats and milk you.

B

> On 11 Aug 2015, at 22:02, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
> 
> I don't participate in this general overweening cynicism and paranoia 
> 
> Facebook sucks big time anyway. I don't give them any information I don't 
> have to, and hate it that all you who only communicate using it forces me to 
> have an account there to communicate with you. 
> 
> The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or information 
> from or about me that the  website doesn't already have or acquire from use. 
> 
> Flickr's "crappy little app" is in most ways better implemented than their 
> browser pages, and presents photos much more speedily and with higher quality 
> than most browsers, regardless of platform. It presents a cleaner, nicer 
> viewing experience. 
> 
> I can think of many more annoying internet things to bitch about than the 
> Flickr app, which happens to work very well, costs nothing, etc. 
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
>> On Aug 11, 2015, at 12:27 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
>> 
>> I'm with you guyson this.  Facebook keeps wanting me to give them my phone 
>> number (slightly diff, but related) tellin gme that will be safer.
>> huh? I think not.
>> 
>> On the otherhand, I'd like it if everyone who was viewing photos online 
>> would skip doing that on their phones and wait until they got to their 
>> desktops or laptops or at least an 8 x 10" screen on IPAD or the equivalent.
>> 
>> ann
>> 
>> 
>> 
 On 8/11/2015 3:11 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
 On 11 Aug 2015, at 11:17, Knarf  wrote:
 The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if it's 
 "free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my browser 
 without having to join, register and be a part of something.
 
 I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone in my 
 thinking; wouldn't be the first time.
>>> You are not alone. [1]
>>> 
>>> There is a plague of sites trying to get me to download their f_cking 
>>> crappy little apps. It's completely stupid and entirely contrary to what 
>>> the www is about and they can all just f_ck right off as far as I'm 
>>> concerned.
>>> 
>>> Incidentally, I see the same fuzzy-image behaviour from F_ckr as you do, 
>>> although it does sometimes resolve itself, eventually, if I have the 
>>> patience to wait. That's with Safari on an iPad.
>>> 
>>> [1] one of my favourite book titles is a collection of readers' letters to 
>>> the Daily Telegraph, called "Am I alone in thinking...?".
>>> 
>>> B
>>> 
 BTW, nothing is "free".
 
 Cheers,
 
 frank
 
> On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi  
> wrote:
> I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works fine
> in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't try
> to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there.
> 
> Godfrey
> 
> 
>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf  wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're
> all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine,
> but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at
> least once.
>> Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their
> app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.
>> However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie
> so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:
>> Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.
>> 
>> Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of
> their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
>> I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show
> their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all
> that's evil about capitalism.
>> Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I don't participate in this general overweening cynicism and paranoia 

Facebook sucks big time anyway. I don't give them any information I don't have 
to, and hate it that all you who only communicate using it forces me to have an 
account there to communicate with you. 

The Flickr app is free - I don't pay for it, it takes no input or information 
from or about me that the  website doesn't already have or acquire from use. 

Flickr's "crappy little app" is in most ways better implemented than their 
browser pages, and presents photos much more speedily and with higher quality 
than most browsers, regardless of platform. It presents a cleaner, nicer 
viewing experience. 

I can think of many more annoying internet things to bitch about than the 
Flickr app, which happens to work very well, costs nothing, etc. 

Godfrey


> On Aug 11, 2015, at 12:27 PM, ann sanfedele  wrote:
> 
> I'm with you guyson this.  Facebook keeps wanting me to give them my phone 
> number (slightly diff, but related) tellin gme that will be safer.
> huh? I think not.
> 
> On the otherhand, I'd like it if everyone who was viewing photos online would 
> skip doing that on their phones and wait until they got to their desktops or 
> laptops or at least an 8 x 10" screen on IPAD or the equivalent.
> 
> ann
> 
> 
> 
>> On 8/11/2015 3:11 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:
>>> On 11 Aug 2015, at 11:17, Knarf  wrote:
>>> The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if it's 
>>> "free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my browser without 
>>> having to join, register and be a part of something.
>>> 
>>> I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone in my 
>>> thinking; wouldn't be the first time.
>> You are not alone. [1]
>> 
>> There is a plague of sites trying to get me to download their f_cking crappy 
>> little apps. It's completely stupid and entirely contrary to what the www is 
>> about and they can all just f_ck right off as far as I'm concerned.
>> 
>> Incidentally, I see the same fuzzy-image behaviour from F_ckr as you do, 
>> although it does sometimes resolve itself, eventually, if I have the 
>> patience to wait. That's with Safari on an iPad.
>> 
>> [1] one of my favourite book titles is a collection of readers' letters to 
>> the Daily Telegraph, called "Am I alone in thinking...?".
>> 
>> B
>> 
>>> BTW, nothing is "free".
>>> 
>>> Cheers,
>>> 
>>> frank
>>> 
 On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
 I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works fine
 in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't try
 to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there.
 
 Godfrey
 
 
> On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf  wrote:
> 
> I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're
 all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine,
 but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at
 least once.
> Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their
 app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.
> However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie
 so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:
> Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.
> 
> Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of
 their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
> I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show
 their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all
 that's evil about capitalism.
> Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Frank,

It is not just you. I also refuse installing Flickr app.
If someone wants to do that, I have no problem, and it can be useful 
for uploading your gallery or "socializing" with other Flickrers.
 But my phone is not a dump to install an individual app for each website 
that created it. All those apps use extra storage, RAM and CPU.
The initial and overall idea of the WEB is that it could be seen from ANY 
standard-compliant browser.


Also, I am wary about all apps that have many unnecessary permissions.
(I am talking about Android here.) While Flickr app has reasonable 
permissions, but it wants to "read your contacts". I understand that

these days all apps that are trying to be "social" do that, but
I don't need to share my contacts just to see photos on web-pages.


I never checked for systematics, - but there is at least one type of view
in Flickr that I had problems in at least two differen mobile browsers:
Opera and Chrome. In that view the image was too small, and I couldn't 
zoom-in to fill the screen with the image.
I haven't seen it most recently, - maybe they've fixed it, or I just 
haven't gotten links to that view.



For the record, I have nothing against Flickr service in general, my wife 
has been using a paid account for many years, and she is happy with what 
it does for her. (I am not using it myself, as I don't like the G+ -like 
interface.)



Speaking of the photo-hosting websites that don't behave well with the 
mobile browsers on my phone: photo.net doesn't allow zooming the images, 
but most of the time the image looks fine (e.g. recent image posted by 
Paul S.)


BTW, Frank, - your blog photos do not show well in Mobile browsers (e.g. 
Opera, and I believe Chrome, possibly even FF) on my phone:
The photo is small, taking just a small portion of the screen, and the 
webpage doesn't allow to be zoomed-in.


Igor



On Aug 11, 2015, at 3:16 AM, Knarf wrote:



The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if it's
"free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my browser without
having to join, register and be a part of something.

I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone in my
thinking; wouldn't be the first time.

BTW, nothing is "free".

Cheers,

frank


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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread ann sanfedele
I'm with you guyson this.  Facebook keeps wanting me to give them my 
phone number (slightly diff, but related) tellin gme that will be safer.

huh? I think not.

On the otherhand, I'd like it if everyone who was viewing photos online 
would skip doing that on their phones and wait until they got to their 
desktops or laptops or at least an 8 x 10" screen on IPAD or the 
equivalent.


ann



On 8/11/2015 3:11 PM, Bob W-PDML wrote:

On 11 Aug 2015, at 11:17, Knarf  wrote:

The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if it's "free". 
I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my browser without having to join, 
register and be a part of something.

I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone in my 
thinking; wouldn't be the first time.

You are not alone. [1]

There is a plague of sites trying to get me to download their f_cking crappy 
little apps. It's completely stupid and entirely contrary to what the www is 
about and they can all just f_ck right off as far as I'm concerned.

Incidentally, I see the same fuzzy-image behaviour from F_ckr as you do, 
although it does sometimes resolve itself, eventually, if I have the patience 
to wait. That's with Safari on an iPad.

[1] one of my favourite book titles is a collection of readers' letters to the Daily 
Telegraph, called "Am I alone in thinking...?".

B


BTW, nothing is "free".

Cheers,

frank


On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works fine
in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't try
to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there.

Godfrey



On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf  wrote:

I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're

all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine,
but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at
least once.

Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their

app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.

However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie

so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:

Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.

Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of

their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.

I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show

their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all
that's evil about capitalism.

Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Bob W-PDML
On 11 Aug 2015, at 11:17, Knarf  wrote:
> 
> The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if it's 
> "free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my browser without 
> having to join, register and be a part of something.
> 
> I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone in my 
> thinking; wouldn't be the first time.

You are not alone. [1]

There is a plague of sites trying to get me to download their f_cking crappy 
little apps. It's completely stupid and entirely contrary to what the www is 
about and they can all just f_ck right off as far as I'm concerned.

Incidentally, I see the same fuzzy-image behaviour from F_ckr as you do, 
although it does sometimes resolve itself, eventually, if I have the patience 
to wait. That's with Safari on an iPad.

[1] one of my favourite book titles is a collection of readers' letters to the 
Daily Telegraph, called "Am I alone in thinking...?".

B

> 
> BTW, nothing is "free".
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
>> On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works fine
>> in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't try
>> to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there. 
>> 
>> Godfrey
>> 
>> 
>>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're
>> all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine,
>> but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at
>> least once.
>>> 
>>> Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their
>> app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.
>>> 
>>> However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie
>> so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:
>>> 
>>> Beautiful, clear photos on my phone. 
>>> 
>>> Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of
>> their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
>>> 
>>> I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show
>> their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all
>> that's evil about capitalism.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.
> 
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
Whatever. 

They don't force you to use their app. The fact that your browser is screwing 
up the photo display isn't Flickr's fault. Get a different browser if that one 
is screwing up the display. 

I pay for Flickr Pro service because I value it. I've been on Flickr since 2008 
and have never had any problems with their service. The app came long after 
that and is free. 

G

> On Aug 11, 2015, at 3:16 AM, Knarf  wrote:
> 
> The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if it's 
> "free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my browser without 
> having to join, register and be a part of something.
> 
> I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone in my 
> thinking; wouldn't be the first time.
> 
> BTW, nothing is "free".
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
> On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>> I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works fine
>> in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't try
>> to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there. 
>> 


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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Stanley Halpin
Frank, don’t worry, be appy…

stan

> On Aug 10, 2015, at 11:28 PM, Knarf  wrote:
> 
> Sorry for the vulgarity but that just shows how angry I am. I'm cussin' mad!
> 
> I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're all 
> horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine, but 
> unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at least once.
> 
> Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their app. I 
> declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.
> 
> However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie so I 
> relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:
> 
> Beautiful, clear photos on my phone. 
> 
> Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of their 
> creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
> 
> I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show their fine 
> work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all that's evil about 
> capitalism.
> 
> Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> frank
> 
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Bill

On 10/08/2015 11:17 PM, Alan C wrote:

You mean you had to pay for the app?


I think this is known as a First World Problem.

Frank, think of the starving children in North Korea and feel shame.

bill




Alan C

-Original Message- From: Knarf
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Subject: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

Sorry for the vulgarity but that just shows how angry I am. I'm cussin'
mad!

I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're all
horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine, but
unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at least
once.

Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their app.
I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.

However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie so I
relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:

Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.

Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of their
creepy marketing scheme. Almost.

I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show their
fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all that's evil
about capitalism.

Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.

Cheers,

frank




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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Eric Weir
Your preference rules, Frank.

I've got the app on my iPhone. I click on a link and look at a photo in the 
app. I'm not partial to my browser, especially if there's something that will 
do the job better.

Regards,

Eric

> On Aug 11, 2015, at 7:44 AM, David J Brooks  wrote:
> 
> No probelm on my flip phone Frank.:-)
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Knarf  wrote:
>> The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if it's 
>> "free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my browser without 
>> having to join, register and be a part of something.
>> 
>> I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone in my 
>> thinking; wouldn't be the first time.
>> 
>> BTW, nothing is "free".
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> frank
>> 
>>> On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>> I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works fine
>>> in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't try
>>> to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there.
>>> 
>>> Godfrey
>>> 
>>> 
 On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf  wrote:
 
 I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're
>>> all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine,
>>> but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at
>>> least once.
 
 Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their
>>> app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.
 
 However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie
>>> so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:
 
 Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.
 
 Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of
>>> their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
 
 I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show
>>> their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all
>>> that's evil about capitalism.
 
 Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread David J Brooks
No probelm on my flip phone Frank.:-)

Dave

On Tue, Aug 11, 2015 at 6:16 AM, Knarf  wrote:
> The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if it's 
> "free". I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my browser without 
> having to join, register and be a part of something.
>
> I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone in my 
> thinking; wouldn't be the first time.
>
> BTW, nothing is "free".
>
> Cheers,
>
> frank
>
> On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>>I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works fine
>>in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't try
>>to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there.
>>
>>Godfrey
>>
>>
>>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf  wrote:
>>>
>>> I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're
>>all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine,
>>but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at
>>least once.
>>>
>>> Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their
>>app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.
>>>
>>> However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie
>>so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:
>>>
>>> Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.
>>>
>>> Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of
>>their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
>>>
>>> I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show
>>their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all
>>that's evil about capitalism.
>>>
>>> Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.
>
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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-11 Thread Knarf
The issue is I didn't want to download their app. I don't care if it's "free". 
I want to click on a link and look at a photo on my browser without having to 
join, register and be a part of something.

I think it's despicable behaviour on their part. Perhaps I'm alone in my 
thinking; wouldn't be the first time.

BTW, nothing is "free".

Cheers,

frank

On 11 August, 2015 1:49:22 AM EDT, Godfrey DiGiorgi  wrote:
>I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works fine
>in Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't try
>to sell me anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there. 
>
>Godfrey
>
>
>> On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf  wrote:
>> 
>> I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're
>all horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine,
>but unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at
>least once.
>> 
>> Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their
>app. I declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.
>> 
>> However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie
>so I relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:
>> 
>> Beautiful, clear photos on my phone. 
>> 
>> Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of
>their creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
>> 
>> I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show
>their fine work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all
>that's evil about capitalism.
>> 
>> Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-10 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
I don't know what the issue is, frank. On iOS, the website works fine in 
Safari, but their (free) app works even better. ??? It doesn't try to sell me 
anything, it just makes it nicer to view photos there. 

Godfrey


> On Aug 10, 2015, at 8:28 PM, Knarf  wrote:
> 
> I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're all 
> horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine, but 
> unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at least once.
> 
> Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their app. I 
> declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.
> 
> However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie so I 
> relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:
> 
> Beautiful, clear photos on my phone. 
> 
> Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of their 
> creepy marketing scheme. Almost.
> 
> I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show their fine 
> work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all that's evil about 
> capitalism.
> 
> Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.

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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-10 Thread Larry Colen



Knarf wrote:

Sorry for the vulgarity but that just shows how angry I am. I'm cussin' mad!

I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're all 
horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine, but 
unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at least once.

Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their app. I 
declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.

However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie so I 
relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:

Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.

Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of their creepy 
marketing scheme. Almost.

I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show their fine 
work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all that's evil about 
capitalism.

Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.


Interesting.  What browser do you use?  I've got a bunch of gripes with 
flickr, many of them with their nag screen for the app every time I try 
to use my browser.  Except that I hate the app.


However, one problem that I haven't had with them is low quality of the 
pictures when I look on my phone.  What browser are you using?




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Re: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

2015-08-10 Thread Alan C

You mean you had to pay for the app?

Alan C

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Subject: Flickr Are Sneaky Bastards

Sorry for the vulgarity but that just shows how angry I am. I'm cussin' mad!

I haven't commented on any Flickr images for a while because they're all 
horribly fuzzy on my Android. When I'm on a computer they're fine, but 
unviewable on my 'droid. I think I whined about it on this list at least 
once.


Every time I looked, Flickr asked me if I wanted to download their app. I 
declined because, well, I just don't freaking want their app.


However I really wanted to get a good look at Darren's cloud piccie so I 
relented and downloaded the Flickr app tonight. Guess what:


Beautiful, clear photos on my phone.

Sleazy buggers. I almost feel like uninstalling it just because of their 
creepy marketing scheme. Almost.


I won't, but only so I can view those PDMLers who use it to show their fine 
work. But I view it on Flickr under protest against all that's evil about 
capitalism.


Thanks for listening. Rant over. Have a lovely evening.

Cheers,

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-07-04 Thread David Mann
On Jul 4, 2015, at 11:21 pm, Ciprian Dorin Craciun  
wrote:

> P.S.:  If you are already using rsync, perhaps you should throw a look
> at `rdiff-backup`.

FWIW I’m using a similar utility called snapback2 for one of my servers.

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-07-04 Thread Ciprian Dorin Craciun
On Sat, Jun 13, 2015 at 11:18 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> One thing that I haven't figured out how to do efficiently with rsync is for
> it to track when I move a directory.
>
> I will upload photos into a generic (for this half of the year) directory,
> then move that shoot into a monthly directory.  So as far as I can tell
> rsync will either give me two copies, or will have to copy, delete, recopy
> at least once for every photo.


[Sorry for replying one month late, I'm shovelling through the mail queue.]  :)

rsync does know how to find "moved" files, if one uses **twice** the
`--fuzzy` option plus the `--copy-dest` and the `--delete-after`
options.

Basically, with your workflow, assuming you have an `inbox` folder
where you throw your "current" photos, all you need to specify is
`--copy-dest inbox`.

(Needless to say I haven't tested this, but according to the
documentation it does what you want.)

Ciprian.


P.S.:  If you are already using rsync, perhaps you should throw a look
at `rdiff-backup`.

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-16 Thread steve harley

On 2015-06-15 16:26 , Larry Colen wrote:

Since Lightroom strongly prefers that you move directories from within
lightroom an excellent feature for lightroom would be the ability to
automatically mirror your raw files (and catalogs for that matter) on other
machines, SAMBA mounted drives, or even a second set of drives attached to
your own machine.


Aperture does that, well at least it can copy your files to a second 
destination, with the same folder structure, while adding them to a library; 
it doesn't mirror later changes


when i load images i always archive them to a server that way; periodically 
i run rsync -avun --delete to see if everything's working (those switches 
are for a dry run showing changed and missing files)


(Aperture still works fine, just isn't being further developed)



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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-15 Thread Stan Halpin

> On Jun 15, 2015, at 6:26 PM, Larry Colen  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Eric Featherstone wrote:
>> On 15 June 2015 at 19:20, Larry Colen  wrote:
>>> Thanks.  I was aware of the delete option.  It would just mean that my
>>> backups get copied twice. Unless they end up in their final destination
>>> before the first rsync.  I could change my workflow a bit.  I like to not
>>> move the files from a shoot into the monthly directory until I'm done,
>>> because it makes it easier to tell which ones I haven't finished.
>> 
>> Ah, I see what you mean. No, I don't think rsync has anyway of doing
>> that, it's very much geared towards files rather than directory
>> structures.
> 
> Since Lightroom strongly prefers that you move directories from within 
> lightroom an excellent feature for lightroom would be the ability to 
> automatically mirror your raw files (and catalogs for that matter) on other 
> machines, SAMBA mounted drives, or even a second set of drives attached to 
> your own machine.
> 
> If they did it right, they could even move "deleted" backup copies to a 
> special trashcan and not piff it from the drive for some setable period of 
> time.
> 
> 

Where is the LIKE button?

Larry I totally agree but I would go one step further in my fantasizing:  think 
how wonderful it would be if after all these years and numerous major and minor 
version updates, LR could actually avoid importing files that have already been 
imported? Until that happens, I would not trust LR to mirror anything as I 
would likely wind up with a bunch of duplicate files on both the Main and 
Backup media.

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-15 Thread Larry Colen



Eric Featherstone wrote:

On 15 June 2015 at 19:20, Larry Colen  wrote:

Thanks.  I was aware of the delete option.  It would just mean that my
backups get copied twice. Unless they end up in their final destination
before the first rsync.  I could change my workflow a bit.  I like to not
move the files from a shoot into the monthly directory until I'm done,
because it makes it easier to tell which ones I haven't finished.


Ah, I see what you mean. No, I don't think rsync has anyway of doing
that, it's very much geared towards files rather than directory
structures.


Since Lightroom strongly prefers that you move directories from within 
lightroom an excellent feature for lightroom would be the ability to 
automatically mirror your raw files (and catalogs for that matter) on 
other machines, SAMBA mounted drives, or even a second set of drives 
attached to your own machine.


If they did it right, they could even move "deleted" backup copies to a 
special trashcan and not piff it from the drive for some setable period 
of time.







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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-15 Thread Eric Featherstone
On 15 June 2015 at 19:20, Larry Colen  wrote:
> Thanks.  I was aware of the delete option.  It would just mean that my
> backups get copied twice. Unless they end up in their final destination
> before the first rsync.  I could change my workflow a bit.  I like to not
> move the files from a shoot into the monthly directory until I'm done,
> because it makes it easier to tell which ones I haven't finished.

Ah, I see what you mean. No, I don't think rsync has anyway of doing
that, it's very much geared towards files rather than directory
structures.

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-15 Thread Larry Colen



Eric Featherstone wrote:

On 13 June 2015 at 21:18, Larry Colen  wrote:

One thing that I haven't figured out how to do efficiently with rsync is for
it to track when I move a directory.


I think you want the --delete option


Thanks.  I was aware of the delete option.  It would just mean that my 
backups get copied twice. Unless they end up in their final destination 
before the first rsync.  I could change my workflow a bit.  I like to 
not move the files from a shoot into the monthly directory until I'm 
done, because it makes it easier to tell which ones I haven't finished.





 --deletedelete extraneous files from dest dirs

or one of its brethren

 --delete-before receiver deletes before transfer (default)
 --delete-during receiver deletes during xfer, not before
 --delete-after  receiver deletes after transfer, not before
 --delete-excluded   also delete excluded files from dest dirs

from: 
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/rsync.1.html




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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-15 Thread Charles Robinson

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 14:12 , Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
>> 
>> It's not perfect, but I'm already backing up actual copies of my RAW files 
>> with:
>> 
>> 1. Time Machine
>> 2. Crashplan (no speed issues here)
> 
> Probably doesn't need to be asked, but you don't find Crashplan slow?
> 

I get a whopping 5Mbps upload speed with my DSL account, and Crashplan does a 
fine job of "filling the pipe" - but granted, it's not a very fat pipe to fill.

Their original/main data center is in Minneapolis - which is where I live - so 
there isn't a long way to go.  They've got data centers and "clouds" all over 
the globe, though - why not check with them to see if there is something they 
can tweak/adjust for you?

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-13 Thread David Mann
On Jun 14, 2015, at 8:18 am, Larry Colen  wrote:

> One thing that I haven't figured out how to do efficiently with rsync is for 
> it to track when I move a directory.

AFAIK it has no way of knowing that a directory has been moved or renamed.  I 
just move/rename it the same at both ends before running my next backup.

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-13 Thread Toine
If you move the photos with a script, run the script on both set of
folders and after that run rsync

On 13 June 2015 at 22:18, Larry Colen  wrote:
>
>
> Toine wrote:
>>
>> If you need a local (wifi) based incremental backup solution on osx,
>> rsync (comes with osx) to another mac (mini) or any cheap nas is the
>> fastest, and easiest route.
>> Don't try OneDrive on OSX you will hate it.
>>
>
> One thing that I haven't figured out how to do efficiently with rsync is for
> it to track when I move a directory.
>
> I will upload photos into a generic (for this half of the year) directory,
> then move that shoot into a monthly directory.  So as far as I can tell
> rsync will either give me two copies, or will have to copy, delete, recopy
> at least once for every photo.
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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-13 Thread Eric Featherstone
On 13 June 2015 at 21:18, Larry Colen  wrote:
> One thing that I haven't figured out how to do efficiently with rsync is for
> it to track when I move a directory.

I think you want the --delete option

--deletedelete extraneous files from dest dirs

or one of its brethren

--delete-before receiver deletes before transfer (default)
--delete-during receiver deletes during xfer, not before
--delete-after  receiver deletes after transfer, not before
--delete-excluded   also delete excluded files from dest dirs

from: 
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/documentation/Darwin/Reference/ManPages/man1/rsync.1.html


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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-13 Thread Larry Colen



Toine wrote:

If you need a local (wifi) based incremental backup solution on osx,
rsync (comes with osx) to another mac (mini) or any cheap nas is the
fastest, and easiest route.
Don't try OneDrive on OSX you will hate it.



One thing that I haven't figured out how to do efficiently with rsync is 
for it to track when I move a directory.


I will upload photos into a generic (for this half of the year) 
directory, then move that shoot into a monthly directory.  So as far as 
I can tell rsync will either give me two copies, or will have to copy, 
delete, recopy at least once for every photo.


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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-13 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
You can use Flickr for backup too. Just set your uploaded files (TIFF, DNG, 
JPEG, whatever) to "Private" access only. 

But services like CrashPlan work much better for real backup.

G

> On Jun 12, 2015, at 11:06 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> Many of the comments here, as well as some of the sources referenced, seem to 
> be talking about “publishication” rather than “backup.” I use Flickr to share 
> select images, usually edited, with others. To my tastes it works fine for 
> this purpose. I don’t need anything else for it.
> 
> What I’m looking for is a way to duplicate or possibly enhance my current 
> back up system, which is two 1 TB firewire external drives managed with Time 
> Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner. Regarding photography what I want basically 
> is ability to create a copy of my photo directory as is and then make 
> incremental backups to it as additions or changes are made to the original. I 
> don’t want to show anyone my unedited DNG files. 


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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-13 Thread John

On 6/12/2015 2:06 PM, Eric Weir wrote:


Many of the comments here, as well as some of the sources referenced,
seem to be talking about “publishication” rather than “backup.” I use
Flickr to share select images, usually edited, with others. To my
tastes it works fine for this purpose. I don’t need anything else for
it.



That's why I don't think Flickr would work as "backup". It's really only
designed for sharing images - whether it be public or private.


What I’m looking for is a way to duplicate or possibly enhance my
current back up system, which is two 1 TB firewire external drives
managed with Time Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner. Regarding
photography what I want basically is ability to create a copy of my
photo directory as is and then make incremental backups to it as
additions or changes are made to the original. I don’t want to show
anyone my unedited DNG files.

Earlier this year I had planned to create a new external drive-based
system with much larger capacity drives accessible by wi-fi. I had
identified the drives and a router and had talked with a
tech-consultant friend about helping me set it up.

Finances led me to hold up on proceeding with this idea. I may be
ready to go ahead with it. Or, as a temporary backstop to my current
system, I may give one of the cloud-based systems a try, likely
Dropbox or CrashPlan.



Wikipedia has a fairly good chart comparing online backup services:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_online_backup_services


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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-12 Thread steve harley

On 2015-06-12 13:26 , Toine wrote:

If you need a local (wifi) based incremental backup solution on osx,
rsync (comes with osx) to another mac (mini) or any cheap nas is the
fastest, and easiest route.


and even if you have all the latest wifi (router, Mac(s) and NAS as 
applicable), it will probably be slower than a wired solution through a 
cheap gigabit-ethernet switch, which in turn could be slower than a drive 
connected directly via USB3, FireWire 800 or Thunderbolt


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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-12 Thread Toine
If you need a local (wifi) based incremental backup solution on osx,
rsync (comes with osx) to another mac (mini) or any cheap nas is the
fastest, and easiest route.
Don't try OneDrive on OSX you will hate it.

On 12 June 2015 at 20:06, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:28 PM, steve harley  wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-06-11 9:53 , Eric Weir wrote:
>>> This suggests another question about Flickr as backup, though I’m leaning 
>>> away from using it as such: Can you upload RAW/DNG files to Flickr?
>>
>> i didn't try it, but no, not according to a couple of recent references i 
>> found; but any cloud service that handles RAW files is pretty much going to 
>> guess at your rendering intent — in other words, you'll have RAW in the 
>> cloud, but it may not look good
>>
>>> If not it would really be worthless as backup.
>>
>> it depends what you mean by backup; it sounds like you think of backup as 
>> true copies of your work, in which case i think cloud backup solutions in 
>> general aren't up to the job unless you create very few images (or perhaps 
>> you are willing to spend for lots of cloud storage and you have something 
>> like Google Fiber to speed your uploads)
>>
>> for the many terabytes that a lot of serious photographers create, using 
>> physical storage media (hard drives) and rotating some to "off-site" 
>> locations is faster and more cost effective; what can put you off this path 
>> is that it takes thought, whereas a lot of cloud services seem to take care 
>> of everything; but believe me, i have been called in to consult with people 
>> who have dragged their hard drive icon into their Dropbox folder, thinking 
>> it would "take care of it"; days later they are wondering why their computer 
>> is slow, why only some of their files are on their other devices, and what 
>> the funny messages are about
>
> Many of the comments here, as well as some of the sources referenced, seem to 
> be talking about “publishication” rather than “backup.” I use Flickr to share 
> select images, usually edited, with others. To my tastes it works fine for 
> this purpose. I don’t need anything else for it.
>
> What I’m looking for is a way to duplicate or possibly enhance my current 
> back up system, which is two 1 TB firewire external drives managed with Time 
> Machine and Carbon Copy Cloner. Regarding photography what I want basically 
> is ability to create a copy of my photo directory as is and then make 
> incremental backups to it as additions or changes are made to the original. I 
> don’t want to show anyone my unedited DNG files.
>
> Earlier this year I had planned to create a new external drive-based system 
> with much larger capacity drives accessible by wi-fi. I had identified the 
> drives and a router and had talked with a tech-consultant friend about 
> helping me set it up.
>
> Finances led me to hold up on proceeding with this idea. I may be ready to go 
> ahead with it. Or, as a temporary backstop to my current system, I may give 
> one of the cloud-based systems a try, likely Dropbox or CrashPlan.
>
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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-12 Thread Eric Weir
> On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:28 PM, steve harley  wrote:
> 
> On 2015-06-11 9:53 , Eric Weir wrote:
>> This suggests another question about Flickr as backup, though I’m leaning 
>> away from using it as such: Can you upload RAW/DNG files to Flickr?
> 
> i didn't try it, but no, not according to a couple of recent references i 
> found; but any cloud service that handles RAW files is pretty much going to 
> guess at your rendering intent — in other words, you'll have RAW in the 
> cloud, but it may not look good
> 
>> If not it would really be worthless as backup.
> 
> it depends what you mean by backup; it sounds like you think of backup as 
> true copies of your work, in which case i think cloud backup solutions in 
> general aren't up to the job unless you create very few images (or perhaps 
> you are willing to spend for lots of cloud storage and you have something 
> like Google Fiber to speed your uploads)
> 
> for the many terabytes that a lot of serious photographers create, using 
> physical storage media (hard drives) and rotating some to "off-site" 
> locations is faster and more cost effective; what can put you off this path 
> is that it takes thought, whereas a lot of cloud services seem to take care 
> of everything; but believe me, i have been called in to consult with people 
> who have dragged their hard drive icon into their Dropbox folder, thinking it 
> would "take care of it"; days later they are wondering why their computer is 
> slow, why only some of their files are on their other devices, and what the 
> funny messages are about

Many of the comments here, as well as some of the sources referenced, seem to 
be talking about “publishication” rather than “backup.” I use Flickr to share 
select images, usually edited, with others. To my tastes it works fine for this 
purpose. I don’t need anything else for it.

What I’m looking for is a way to duplicate or possibly enhance my current back 
up system, which is two 1 TB firewire external drives managed with Time Machine 
and Carbon Copy Cloner. Regarding photography what I want basically is ability 
to create a copy of my photo directory as is and then make incremental backups 
to it as additions or changes are made to the original. I don’t want to show 
anyone my unedited DNG files. 

Earlier this year I had planned to create a new external drive-based system 
with much larger capacity drives accessible by wi-fi. I had identified the 
drives and a router and had talked with a tech-consultant friend about helping 
me set it up. 

Finances led me to hold up on proceeding with this idea. I may be ready to go 
ahead with it. Or, as a temporary backstop to my current system, I may give one 
of the cloud-based systems a try, likely Dropbox or CrashPlan.

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-12 Thread Godfrey DiGiorgi
My upload speed from home would, by itself, be too slow to send my whole data 
store to CrashPlan for backup. 

But I believe they can initialize your account from a hard disk if you send it 
to them, and then the incremental speed won't matter too much... Just keep the 
system running and it will do the job. 

G

> On Jun 12, 2015, at 9:05 AM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> ... but you don't find Crashplan slow?

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-12 Thread Eric Weir

> On Jun 12, 2015, at 10:36 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> On 6/11/2015 3:12 PM, Eric Weir wrote:
>> 
>>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
>>> 
>>> It's not perfect, but I'm already backing up actual copies of my RAW files 
>>> with:
>>> 
>>> 1. Time Machine
>>> 2. Crashplan (no speed issues here)
>> 
>> Probably doesn't need to be asked, but you don't find Crashplan slow?
>> 
>> Eric Weir
>> 
> 
> I think they're both (Charles & CrashPlan) located in Minneapolis.

Ah, but maybe you’re n the states it’s still reasonably fast even if your not 
in Minneapolis?

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-12 Thread John

On 6/11/2015 3:12 PM, Eric Weir wrote:



On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:

It's not perfect, but I'm already backing up actual copies of my RAW files with:

1. Time Machine
2. Crashplan (no speed issues here)


Probably doesn't need to be asked, but you don't find Crashplan slow?

Eric Weir



I think they're both (Charles & CrashPlan) located in Minneapolis.

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-12 Thread John

CrashPlan doesn't have servers in Europe yet. That probably makes it too
slow to use if you're not in the U.S. I think Dropbox & OneDrive do
already have servers in Europe.

If you *are* in the U.S., CrashPlan does have an option to do a "seeded
backup" where they send you a 1TB USB drive for you to do your initial
backup locally & return it to them. They have a one time charge of
something like $125 for the seeded backup.

Then all your incremental backups can go over the internet.


On 6/11/2015 1:36 PM, Toine wrote:

I'm using OneDrive. The free version of Dropbox and Onedrive are too
small for serious photo backup. My OneDrive subscription offers 10Tb
storage. Dropbox starts at 1 Tb. Usage is a no brainer. Just save
the jpg or RAW files in the dropbox or onedrive folder and it's
synced in the background.

I tried Crashplan and decided to cancel my account. It's very very
slow. Even Onedrive beats crashplan and Onedrive is currently a joke
compared to dropbox speed.

Toine

On 10 June 2015 at 18:53, Eric Weir  wrote:

I’d like to take advantage of Flickr’s 1000 GB of free storage to
backup my photo files, but I wouldn’t want all of them to go into
my photostream. Two questions: [1] Is using Flickr as backup
realistic in the first place? [2] Is it possible to keep backups
and photostream separate?

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread steve harley

On 2015-06-11 9:53 , Eric Weir wrote:

This suggests another question about Flickr as backup, though I’m leaning away 
from using it as such: Can you upload RAW/DNG files to Flickr?


i didn't try it, but no, not according to a couple of recent references i 
found; but any cloud service that handles RAW files is pretty much going to 
guess at your rendering intent — in other words, you'll have RAW in the 
cloud, but it may not look good




If not it would really be worthless as backup.


it depends what you mean by backup; it sounds like you think of backup as 
true copies of your work, in which case i think cloud backup solutions in 
general aren't up to the job unless you create very few images (or perhaps 
you are willing to spend for lots of cloud storage and you have something 
like Google Fiber to speed your uploads)


for the many terabytes that a lot of serious photographers create, using 
physical storage media (hard drives) and rotating some to "off-site" 
locations is faster and more cost effective; what can put you off this path 
is that it takes thought, whereas a lot of cloud services seem to take care 
of everything; but believe me, i have been called in to consult with people 
who have dragged their hard drive icon into their Dropbox folder, thinking 
it would "take care of it"; days later they are wondering why their computer 
is slow, why only some of their files are on their other devices, and what 
the funny messages are about


there are also many people who think of their pictures less seriously — 
they'd be happy to mainly be preserving JPEGs, and yet they know enough to 
realize Facebook doesn't cut it as a backup plan; from that mindset i think 
this is a surprisingly rational overview of the current cloud options:




my guess is the cloudy cloud options will become much more clear over the 
next few years




And another: What about the organizational capabilities? Could you have a 
folder of folders of large numbers of files?


you'll have to learn the paradigm — on Flickr you can put photos into sets 
(same photo can be in more than one set); collections can hold 
sub-collections or sets (but not both), so you can nest "subfolders" up to a 
point; but i would be cautious of putting too much work into this — i would 
organize my files at the source, then if i wanted that organization to carry 
through to other locations i'd use metadata (tags) to embody the 
organization in the actual files (or sidecars), and if i needed to, use 
searches to find that metadata and set up the organization on Flickr





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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread Toine
Yes In my case it is. I have the full paid 10Tb on Onedrive and a free
dropbox. Onedrive is currently struggling with speed issues probably
because many users try to handle Tb's. Uploading to Onedrive is fast
enough the last months (30 Mbps) which is more or less on par with
dropbox. downloading is slow 3-5 Mbps. Dropbox start the sync
directly, OneDrive sometimes refuses to start a sync directly. If you
save a Word doc on your office PC, shutdown the PC and plan to edit
the file at home, you could be in for an ugly surprise (no synced
file). Sometimes Onedrive sleeps forever and only restarting the PC
solves this. The Onedrive apps on IOS are very strange, the latest
update resulted in a complete non functional app.

For a few 100Gb or Tb of pictures Onedrive syncs the files in the
background nicely. The biggest problem is where to find a 10Tb
harddisk to handle the sync folder (you can't sync two or more
harddisc's with onedrive)

Crashplan is really slow, maybe due to the fact it's all transatlantic
ip traffic for me in europe.

If I had to choose now, maybe Google Drive is another option combined
with Google Photo it really looks like a killer combi.

Toine

On 11 June 2015 at 20:02, Eric Weir  wrote:
>
>> On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Toine  wrote:
>>
>> I tried Crashplan and decided to cancel my account. It's very very
>> slow. Even Onedrive beats crashplan and Onedrive is currently a joke 
>> compared to dropbox speed.
>
> Just to be clear, Dropbox is faster?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread Eric Weir

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 2:45 PM, Charles Robinson  wrote:
> 
> It's not perfect, but I'm already backing up actual copies of my RAW files 
> with:
> 
> 1. Time Machine
> 2. Crashplan (no speed issues here)

Probably doesn't need to be asked, but you don't find Crashplan slow?

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread Charles Robinson

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 10:53 , Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:37 PM, John  wrote:
>> 
>> [2] Not really, although you can set the images as private so no one else 
>> can see them.
> 
> This suggests another question about Flickr as backup, though I’m leaning 
> away from using it as such: Can you upload RAW/DNG files to Flickr? If not it 
> would really be worthless as backup.
> 

If you don't mind being part of the Google Collective Google Photos lets 
you upload unlimited "pretty good" images.  I pointed it to a folder full of 
RAW files and it converts 'em to JPEG somewhere along the line.

It's not perfect, but I'm already backing up actual copies of my RAW files with:
 
 1. Time Machine
 2. Crashplan (no speed issues here)
 3. Occasional external harddrive that I connect, sync, and throw back into the 
cabinet

So this is just "one more place" I can have my images parked.  They aren't 
full-quality so I don't really think of it as a backup though.  For FULL 
quality, Google lets you do that for a fee.  


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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread Eric Weir

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> I tried Crashplan and decided to cancel my account. It's very very
> slow. Even Onedrive beats crashplan and Onedrive is currently a joke compared 
> to dropbox speed.

Just to be clear, Dropbox is faster?

Thanks, 

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread Eric Weir
Thanks, Toine. Very helpful.

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 1:36 PM, Toine  wrote:
> 
> I'm using OneDrive. The free version of Dropbox and Onedrive are too
> small for serious photo backup. My OneDrive subscription offers 10Tb
> storage. Dropbox starts at 1 Tb. Usage is a no brainer. Just save the
> jpg or RAW files in the dropbox or onedrive folder and it's synced in
> the background.
> 
> I tried Crashplan and decided to cancel my account. It's very very
> slow. Even Onedrive beats crashplan and Onedrive is currently a joke
> compared to dropbox speed.
> 
> Toine
> 
>> On 10 June 2015 at 18:53, Eric Weir  wrote:
>> I’d like to take advantage of Flickr’s 1000 GB of free storage to backup my 
>> photo files, but I wouldn’t want all of them to go into my photostream. Two 
>> questions: [1] Is using Flickr as backup realistic in the first place? [2] 
>> Is it possible to keep backups and photostream separate?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> --
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>> 
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>> 
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>> 
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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread Toine
I'm using OneDrive. The free version of Dropbox and Onedrive are too
small for serious photo backup. My OneDrive subscription offers 10Tb
storage. Dropbox starts at 1 Tb. Usage is a no brainer. Just save the
jpg or RAW files in the dropbox or onedrive folder and it's synced in
the background.

I tried Crashplan and decided to cancel my account. It's very very
slow. Even Onedrive beats crashplan and Onedrive is currently a joke
compared to dropbox speed.

Toine

On 10 June 2015 at 18:53, Eric Weir  wrote:
> I’d like to take advantage of Flickr’s 1000 GB of free storage to backup my 
> photo files, but I wouldn’t want all of them to go into my photostream. Two 
> questions: [1] Is using Flickr as backup realistic in the first place? [2] Is 
> it possible to keep backups and photostream separate?
>
> Thanks,
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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread Stan Halpin
Have you considered Dropbox? Another of many “cloud” services that give you x 
freestorage to start, allow incremental expansion for a price as you need it.

For normal use, when I am at home, I think something like this would be a 
decent (2nd or 3rd level) backup process with the possible added advantage of 
access while traveling. But when traveling I am often in places/situations with 
pitiful if any web connections and so cloud-based storage, retrieval, and 
backup is merely a fantasy.

In short, your idea doesn't work in my case, YMMV.

stan

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 12:03 PM, Eric Weir  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
>> 
>> As for (1), - I am not sure... it probably depends on your workflow.
>> I am not aware of an "automatic backup from computers" to Flickr tools.
>> But maybe they've created something...
>> 
>> Just in case, - if you have Amazon Prime, - that offers unlimited storage of 
>> photos in the cloud. But the same logistics questions remain. So, the only 
>> advantage is the "unlimited".
>> 
>> But then the question is - what is your bandwidth and the traffic cap with 
>> your ISP, - how long will it take you to upload your photos…
> 
> Thanks, Igor. I suspect it would be prohibitive. But my sense now is that for 
> a variety of reason it’s not that useful.
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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread Eric Weir

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:07 PM, Igor PDML-StR  wrote:
> 
> As for (1), - I am not sure... it probably depends on your workflow.
> I am not aware of an "automatic backup from computers" to Flickr tools.
> But maybe they've created something...
> 
> Just in case, - if you have Amazon Prime, - that offers unlimited storage of 
> photos in the cloud. But the same logistics questions remain. So, the only 
> advantage is the "unlimited".
> 
> But then the question is - what is your bandwidth and the traffic cap with 
> your ISP, - how long will it take you to upload your photos…

Thanks, Igor. I suspect it would be prohibitive. But my sense now is that for a 
variety of reason it’s not that useful.

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread Eric Weir

> On Jun 10, 2015, at 1:37 PM, John  wrote:
> 
> [2] Not really, although you can set the images as private so no one else can 
> see them.

This suggests another question about Flickr as backup, though I’m leaning away 
from using it as such: Can you upload RAW/DNG files to Flickr? If not it would 
really be worthless as backup.

And still another: Utility as backup is also a function of the volume and speed 
of downloading. E.g., could you download a folder of 300 RAW files?

And another: What about the organizational capabilities? Could you have a 
folder of folders of large numbers of files? 

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread Eric Weir

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 11:20 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> Probably works with a USB connection.

That would be cool.

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread John

On 6/11/2015 11:09 AM, Eric Weir wrote:



On Jun 11, 2015, at 11:05 AM, John  wrote:

In addition to a free trial, they have a "free" plan that allows
you to use the software to backup to your own external drive, like
Time-Machine for Mac, without paying for cloud storage


I'm out of town right now, but plan to check this out, both the free
and the paid, when I get back home.

Wondering if the free requires the external drive to be on a wireless
router.
Eric Weir



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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread Eric Weir

> On Jun 11, 2015, at 11:05 AM, John  wrote:
> 
> In addition to a free trial, they have a "free" plan that allows you to
> use the software to backup to your own external drive, like Time-Machine for 
> Mac, without paying for cloud storage

I'm out of town right now, but plan to check this out, both the free and the 
paid, when I get back home.

Wondering if the free requires the external drive to be on a wireless router.

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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-11 Thread John

Not sure if you mean CrashPlan's website or Flickr's website or
something else, but ...

https://www.code42.com/store/

There was a pull-down menu in the upper right & clicking on "Store". I
didn't see it at first until I told NoScript to temporarily allow
crashplan.com

They have an unlimited plan for one computer for $5.00 a month if you
pay for a year in advance [$59.99]; an unlimited "family plan" for
$12.50 a month at a one year subscription rate of $149.99 and a
"Business" plan for $10.00 a month.

In addition to a free trial, they have a "free" plan that allows you to
use the software to backup to your own external drive, like Time-Machine
for Mac, without paying for cloud storage.

There seem to be a bunch of these companies doing on-line "cloud"
backups. CrashPlan was recommended to me because of the low cost &
simplicity.

On 6/10/2015 3:21 PM, Igor PDML-StR wrote:


I was exhausted scrolling down the webpage... and still couldn't find
what it costs..

I am rather sceptical about companies using cookie-cutter-type websites
which indicates they cannot or are not willing to hire a good web
designer. It's weird to see that from a 14-y.o. company with this
product being 7-8 y.o.
But on another hand, the portion of their revenue from retail customers
is less than 20%.


Also, surprisingly, Adobe LR's page has a similar look and feel:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html
Recently, I've seen a bunch of small startups and mid-size companies
using this type of template... It must be a sign of me getting old, but
I don't like that type of site design (aka UX).


Igor




John Wed, 10 Jun 2015 10:38:26 -0700 wrote:

[1] No.

[2] Not really, although you can set the images as private so no one
else can see them.


Several persons whose expertise I respect have suggested CrashPlan.

http://www.code42.com/crashplan/

On 6/10/2015 12:53 PM, Eric Weir wrote:

 I.d like to take advantage of Flickr.s 1000 GB of free storage to
 backup my photo files, but I wouldn.t want all of them to go into my
 photostream. Two questions: [1] Is using Flickr as backup realistic
 in the first place? [2] Is it possible to keep backups and
 photostream separate?




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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-10 Thread Igor PDML-StR


I was exhausted scrolling down the webpage... and still couldn't find what 
it costs..


I am rather sceptical about companies using cookie-cutter-type websites 
which indicates they cannot or are not willing to hire a good web 
designer. It's weird to see that from a 14-y.o. company with this product 
being 7-8 y.o.
But on another hand, the portion of their revenue from retail customers is 
less than 20%.



Also, surprisingly, Adobe LR's page has a similar look and feel:
http://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop-lightroom.html
Recently, I've seen a bunch of small startups and mid-size companies using 
this type of template... It must be a sign of me getting old, but I don't 
like that type of site design (aka UX).



Igor




John Wed, 10 Jun 2015 10:38:26 -0700 wrote:

[1] No.

[2] Not really, although you can set the images as private so no one else 
can see them.



Several persons whose expertise I respect have suggested CrashPlan.

http://www.code42.com/crashplan/

On 6/10/2015 12:53 PM, Eric Weir wrote:

I.d like to take advantage of Flickr.s 1000 GB of free storage to
backup my photo files, but I wouldn.t want all of them to go into my
photostream. Two questions: [1] Is using Flickr as backup realistic
in the first place? [2] Is it possible to keep backups and
photostream separate?


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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-10 Thread Eric Featherstone
On 10 June 2015 at 17:53, Eric Weir  wrote:
> I’d like to take advantage of Flickr’s 1000 GB of free storage to backup my 
> photo files, but I wouldn’t want all of them to go into my photostream. Two 
> questions: [1] Is using Flickr as backup realistic in the first place? [2] Is 
> it possible to keep backups and photostream separate?


[1] Realistic? Don't know, that depends on your broadband speed and
any data caps or limits your ISP might impose on you. You use the
Flickr Uploadr app for Mac/PC
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/flickr/flickr-uploadr-mac-sln24869.html
https://help.yahoo.com/kb/flickr/flickr-uploadr-windows-sln25996.html

[2] Separate? Again from the help, the Uploadr app sets anything it
uploads to be private. That's as separate as it gets.

I know no more than what I've just read in their help, I haven't used
it myself so can't comment on that.


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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-10 Thread John

[1] No.
[2] Not really, although you can set the images as private so no one 
else can see them.


Several persons whose expertise I respect have suggested CrashPlan.

http://www.code42.com/crashplan/

On 6/10/2015 12:53 PM, Eric Weir wrote:

I’d like to take advantage of Flickr’s 1000 GB of free storage to
backup my photo files, but I wouldn’t want all of them to go into my
photostream. Two questions: [1] Is using Flickr as backup realistic
in the first place? [2] Is it possible to keep backups and
photostream separate?

Thanks,
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Re: Flickr as backup

2015-06-10 Thread Igor PDML-StR


Eric,


From what I know, you can make photos private on Flickr.

So, that should resolve your issue (2). Just make the "backups" private.

I suspect, however, there is no way to clearly separate "backups" area 
from the rest.


I am not using Flickr myself (my wife does), - so, I don't know if you 
can set "private" as a default for all uploaded photos, or you'd have to 
set it manually after uploading...


As for (1), - I am not sure... it probably depends on your workflow.
I am not aware of an "automatic backup from computers" to Flickr tools.
But maybe they've created something...

Just in case, - if you have Amazon Prime, - that offers unlimited storage 
of photos in the cloud. But the same logistics questions remain. So, the 
only advantage is the "unlimited".


But then the question is - what is your bandwidth and the traffic cap with 
your ISP, - how long will it take you to upload your photos...



Igor


Eric Weir Wed, 10 Jun 2015 09:54:12 -0700 wrote:

I'd like to take advantage of Flickr's 1000 GB of free storage to backup 
my photo files, but I wouldn.t want all of them to go into my photostream. 
Two questions: [1] Is using Flickr as backup realistic in the first place? 
[2] Is it possible to keep backups and photostream separate?



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