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Bernard, thanks for this clarification; it shows that my comment
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on slides 25-6.
Gary f.
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List, Edwina:
First, Edwina, I will not answer directly your question about allowances on
this list.
In my experiences here on this list, I fear for my freedom to continue to
express my analysis of the ontology and epistemology of the chemical sciences.
As for the connections between the tric
Jerry, list
I like your outline of the nine terms and the graphic connections.
I'm not a chemist and your outline is 'packed' with meaning, but, I
agree with your conclusion, that " to 'transition out of
mathematics’ infers, from the perception chemical signs,
transitioning out
te liste cette position de pouvoir sur qui vous
> permet de choisir des slides de ADT très tendancieux , de les mettre
> soi-disant en débat, de vous ériger en justicier lorsque des participants
> argumentent des désaccords et de porter des jugements sur eux ? Edwina en a
> fait depuis l
soi-disant en débat, de vous ériger en justicier lorsque des participants
argumentent des désaccords et de porter des jugements sur eux ? Edwina en a
fait depuis longtemps l'expérience et moi-même je me suis vu traité de post
peircien ! Remarquez que je dois peut-être le prendre comme un comp
you also say, Peirce is not God the Father, so why should we pay
> any more attention to his view of language or semiosis (or phaneroscopy)
> than to anyone else’s?
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> Gary f.
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> *From:* peirce-l-requ...@list.iupui.edu *On
> Behalf Of *Bernard Morand
> *Sent:* 16-Au
ther, so why should we pay any
more attention to his view of language or semiosis (or phaneroscopy) than to
anyone else’s?
Gary f.
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Subject: Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slo
Gary f.
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*On Behalf Of *Bernard Morand
*Sent:* 14-Aug-21 09:35
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*Subject:* Re: [PEIRCE-L] André De Tienne: Slow Read slide 25
Gary F, list
Le 13/08/2021 à 15:41, g...@gnusystems.ca <mailto:g...@gnusystems.ca>
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List:
> On Aug 15, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Edwina Taborsky wrote:
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> Now - what is the point of the first view, other than a taxonomic focus on
> terms - and what is the point of the second view - which to me at least,
> seems to be to examine that 'general rule' as it articulates itself within
>
List:
If I just take this exchange as an example of what I see as a
problem with the focus of this List:
BM: But I am wholly astonished by the rigorus property you are
attaching to definitions or descriptions made by Peirce. He was not
God the Father. Surely we have to r
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Gary F, list
Le 13/08/2021 à 15:41, g...@gnusystems.ca <mailto:g...@gnusystems.ca> a écrit :
Bernard, list,
BM: I have no definitive opinion on t
List, Helmut:
Helmut: Are we addressing different levels of abstract?
I do not find any connection between your response and my post.
Can you rephrase you comments so that the connection is clarified?
Cheers
Jerry
> On Aug 13, 2021, at 3:46 PM, Helmut Raulien wrote:
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> Jerry, List
>
Gary F., List:
> On Aug 13, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Jon Alan Schmidt
> wrote: [ quoting Gary F.]]
>
> "all hypotheses are mathematically generated,"
I would suggest that a categorical error is being perpetuated in the on-going
conversation about the nature of signs and semiosis.
In particular,
Jon, List,
GR: In short, phaneroscopy *also *generates its own principles.
JAS: I agree with this, as well as the numbered points 1-5 below
GR: Asserting that phanersocopy also generates its own principles is the
principal point I wanted to convey, and the other points simply follow upon
that
Gary R., Robert, List:
GR: In short, phaneroscopy *also *generates its own principles.
I agree with this, as well as the numbered points 1-5 below, but would like
to clarify what I suggested previously about the relationship between
hypotheses and mathematics.
GR: Consequently, I obviously stro
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}JAS, list
I repeat - I did not say or imply that testing is part of
mathematics. And since I was the one that wrote those words, then, I
expect you to give me the same courtesy that you give to Peirce -
when you i
Edwina, List:
ET: Who says that 'testing' is a 'part of mathematics'? I didn't say or
even imply this.
On the contrary, as quoted previously ...
ET: And - as Peirce pointed out - we must test these hypotheses for their
validity. That is, we don't 'move on' from mathematics.
Saying that we do
Gary R., List
The mathematical modeling in the case of the Peircian theory of
phenomenology and semiotics, it is necessary to repeat, reveals the general
structure of the Universal Categories and their interdependence by
extracting it from the observations of the phaneroscopists, mainly from the
Jon, Edwina, Gary F, List,
JAS: . . . Gary F. already noted [that] it is questionable whether
*all *hypotheses
are mathematically generated, although Peirce's broad definition of
mathematics as the science which draws necessary conclusions about
hypothetical states of things could arguably be cons
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}JAS, list
By factual world, I am referring to the sensate world of the
particular - and that includes the images in my mind. I don't mean,
by factual world, the quantitative alone but include the qualitative.
And
Edwina, List:
ET: That is - the 'methods for attaining truth include our own location
within and examination of the real, factual world [the phaneron world] and
coming up, abductively, via mathematical reasoning, with hypotheses that
explain this world.
As I keep pointing out, the phaneron as de
Gary F, list
This is exactly what some of us have been saying - in our
questioning of the isolation by De Tienne of mathematics from the
Real World. And asking - if the practice of mathematics is so
cerebral, so detached from material reality, so isolated - then,
what's its poin
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