Re: [Module::Build] [RFC] author tests

2006-02-02 Thread Christopher H. Laco
A. Pagaltzis wrote: > * Chris Dolan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-02-02 16:55]: >> On Feb 1, 2006, at 10:35 PM, Tyler MacDonald wrote: >>> I really like this idea. But as you pointed out, it's not just >>> authors that need to worry about running these tests, it's >>> packagers (ppm/deb/etc), automated

Re: RT Permissions

2005-12-02 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Andy Lester wrote: > On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 12:10:24PM -0800, Ovid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> I've wondered about this myself. I've taken over Class::Trait but I >> can't take ownership of the RT requests. > > RT should do it automagically. Email Jesse directly if not. > > xoxo, > Andy >

Re: RT Permissions

2005-12-02 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Andy Lester wrote: > On Fri, Dec 02, 2005 at 12:10:24PM -0800, Ovid ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> I've wondered about this myself. I've taken over Class::Trait but I >> can't take ownership of the RT requests. > > RT should do it automagically. Email Jesse directly if not. > > xoxo, > Andy >

RT Permissions

2005-12-02 Thread Christopher H. Laco
When one person takes over the module of another on CPAN via co-maint a first-come tranfer, what happens to the RT stuff? I'm in the process of taking over Net::Blogger from Aaron Straup Cope (ASCOPE). I'm already set for first-come in PAUSE for that module now. There are open RT issues that I'd

Re: CPAN Testers results

2005-11-02 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Ovid wrote: > Hi all, > > I've noticed that http://search.cpan.org/~ovid/HOP-Parser-0.01/, > amongst other modules, has no CPAN test results appearing even though > CPAN tester reports are coming in. I've seen this for other modules, > too. > > Is there an announced reason for this I missed or i

Re: Test Suite Slowing Down My Development

2005-10-28 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Ovid wrote: > The code is designed well enough that adding new features is quick and > easy. Unfortunately, whenever I need to change my code I fire up a Web > server and view the results in the browser and then write the tests > after I've written the code (this is closely related to When > test-d

Re: New kwalitee test, has_changes

2005-09-15 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Adam Kennedy wrote: Rather than do any additional exploding, I'd like to propose the additional kwalitee test "has_changes". I've noticed that a percentage (5-10%) of dists don't have a changes file, so it can be hard to know whether it's worth upgrading, or more importantly which version to ad

Re: Testing module madness

2005-09-11 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Andy Lester wrote: Usually, Test::* modules are only used for the test phase. I really don't understand the idea of "only used for the test phase", as if the tests don't matter, or if there are levels of failure. Either they install OK on the target system, and you can use them with con

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Andy Lester wrote: On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 10:07:02AM -0400, Christopher H. Laco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Why would they stop uploading? How would they, the new uploaders, even know about CPANTS? It's not like uploaded files automatically return a scathing email and an html response

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Andy Lester wrote: On Tue, Sep 06, 2005 at 09:12:43AM -0400, Christopher H. Laco ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: If it serves no purpose for you, ignore it and go on with life; as apposed to spending email list cycles on a CPANTS-is-bad-why-are-we-doing-this diatribe. It's not as simp

Re: Why are we adding more kwalitee tests?

2005-09-06 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Richard Clamp wrote: On 6 Sep 2005, at 08:10, Adam Kennedy wrote: So once you find out DBIx::Wango only passed 7 out of 23, it will go into the author's average, and if he ever looks presumably the competative spirit will kick in and he's fix some of the "problems" That's assuming that e

Re: Devel::cover bug?

2005-06-03 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Kevin Scaldeferri wrote: On Jun 3, 2005, at 1:40 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: Certainly. Of course, it's always possible and quite likely that there is a bug in my code somewhere. But there is also a chance that I am conflating two ops, since I have yet to come up with a way to uniquely identify

Re: TestSimple/More/Builder in JavaScript

2005-04-07 Thread Christopher H. Laco
David Wheeler wrote: Greetings fellow Perlers, I'm pleased to announce the first alpha release of my port of TestSimple/More/Builder to JavaScript. You can download it from: http://www.justatheory.com/downloads/TestBuilder-0.01.tar.gz Very cool. Very sick. :-) OK, now whos gonna build JPANTS?

Re: Kwalitee and has_test_*

2005-04-07 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Tony Bowden wrote: On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 12:32:31PM -0400, Christopher H. Laco wrote: CPANTS can't check that for me, as I don't ship those tests. They're part of my development environment, not part of my release tree. That is true. But if you don't ship them, how do I

Re: Kwalitee and has_test_*

2005-04-07 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Tony Bowden wrote: On Thu, Apr 07, 2005 at 08:56:26AM -0400, Christopher H. Laco wrote: I would go as for to say that checking the authors development intentions via checks like Test::Pod::Coverage, Test::Strict, Test::Distribution, etc is just as important, if not more, than just checkong

Re: Kwalitee and has_test_*

2005-04-07 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Adam Kennedy wrote: Adding a kwalitee check for a test that runs Devel::Cover by default might on the surface appear to meet this goal, but I hope people recognize it as a bad idea. Why, then, is suggesting that people ship tests for POD errors and coverage a good idea? Although I've now added the

Re: [Module::Build] Re: Test::META

2005-04-01 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Ken Williams wrote: Since the 'build', 'test', and 'install' actions are considered the "critical path" for installing a module, I think it makes sense to warn (not die) during "perl Build.PL" when one of their required/recommended/conflict dependencies aren't met. Thereafter, only die/warn wh

Re: Test::META

2005-03-29 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Michael G Schwern wrote: [snip] Sticking with ExtUtils::MakeMaker. :-) [But where's the fun in that.] I know you're joking, but you've flipped my rant switch. I was. But at some level, I'm not. If after changing one dist to use M::B I have more issues than I started with [which was just checking

Re: Test::META

2005-03-28 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Michael G Schwern wrote: Until such time as there are test_* flags, one should take a pragmatic view. And that view is "what is going to cause the least amount of hassle for those who want to install my module" because they don't know nor care about the internal mechanics. [snip] Sticking with Ex

Re: Test::META

2005-03-28 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Michael G Schwern wrote: On Mon, Mar 28, 2005 at 08:42:50AM -0500, Christopher H. Laco wrote: That's another gripe of mine about M::B and create_makefile_pl. It puts the requires AND build_requires in the PREREQ_PM in the Makefile.PL, which I won't want; nor do I think it right fo

Re: Test::META

2005-03-28 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Michael G Schwern wrote: There is a create_makefile_pl option (see Module::Build::Compat) which does a fair job of creating a Makefile.PL functionally equivalent to your Build.PL. It comes in various flavors from passthrough (where it writes a Makefile which simply calls Module::Build functions) t

Re: Test::META

2005-03-27 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Michael G Schwern wrote: On Sun, Mar 27, 2005 at 08:32:59PM -0500, Christopher H. Laco wrote: Along the lines of converting to Module::Build...it went well until I started doing tests...things that worked now break, probably do to how they're now run... t\xsp.Use of uninitia

Re: Test::META

2005-03-27 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Randy W. Sims wrote: There is my unpublished CPAN::Metadata at: svn co http://svn.versiondude.net/randys/CPAN-Metadata/trunk/ CPAN-Metadata It reads, writes, and validates metadata according to the spec. It still needs a bit of work, and updates to the actual spec need to be formalized before it

Re: Test::META

2005-03-26 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Christopher H. Laco wrote: Michael G Schwern wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 07:52:45PM -0500, Christopher H. Laco wrote: Well, unless I missed something [likely], to add things after the module is created or updated. Changing requirements, recommends, and build_requires for starters. Sometimes

Re: Test::META

2005-03-26 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Michael G Schwern wrote: On Sat, Mar 26, 2005 at 07:52:45PM -0500, Christopher H. Laco wrote: Well, unless I missed something [likely], to add things after the module is created or updated. Changing requirements, recommends, and build_requires for starters. Sometimes no_index when new modules

Re: Test::META

2005-03-26 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Andy Lester wrote: On Mar 26, 2005, at 6:29 PM, Christopher H. Laco wrote: Is anyone aware of any existing code (aside from YAML) for grocking META.yml? Why are you changing it manually? Well, unless I missed something [likely], to add things after the module is created or updated. Changing

Test::META

2005-03-26 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Is anyone aware of any existing code (aside from YAML) for grocking META.yml? I've got an itch. Aside from user side software tests, I'm also somewhat addicted to developer tests (Test::Strict, Test::Pod, etc) to make sure I'm not making stupid typo mistakes every time I upload a new version of

Re: TAP/Test::Builder in JS

2005-03-21 Thread Christopher H. Laco
David Wheeler wrote: Hi All, Is anyone aware of an implementation of Test::Builder/Simple/More and Test::Harness in JavaScript? The testing scene in JS appears pretty sad, but I don't want to do much in JavaScript without a nice testing framework. And Test::More would be my preferred way to go.

Re: [RFC] Test::CPANTS

2005-03-14 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Christopher H. Laco wrote: Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni wrote: Christopher H. Laco wrote: I don't know if that answer your needs but Test::Distribution already performs several kwalitee tests on the modules and other files of a distribution. http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Distrib

Re: [RFC] Test::CPANTS

2005-03-14 Thread Christopher H. Laco
Sébastien Aperghis-Tramoni wrote: Christopher H. Laco wrote: I don't know if that answer your needs but Test::Distribution already performs several kwalitee tests on the modules and other files of a distribution. http://search.cpan.org/dist/Test-Distribution/ Sébastien Aperghis-Tr

[RFC] Test::CPANTS

2005-03-14 Thread Christopher H. Laco
I have an itch. It just came to me while surfing PerlMonks and CPAN. I noticed the new Test::Strict module which keeps me honest by making sure I always 'use strict'. I'll be adding that to my modules this evening. [I wish is did use warnings too]. My second thought was wouldn't it be cool if th