Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-19 Thread Randal L. Schwartz
> "John" == John Rudd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John> 1) Methods are always public John> 2) Variables are always private (and in this case that means that other John> instances may not view the instance variables of an object; I don't John> recall whether the class can see the ivars of its

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-16 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Fri, Nov 16, 2001 at 07:26:37AM -0800, John Rudd wrote: > Smalltalk doesn't give you any privacy options, but it does dictate a > certain degree of privacy. Smalltalk is big on "information hiding" as > part of the whole "OOP is an extension of Abstract Data Typing" concept. > > 1) Methods ar

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-16 Thread John Rudd
From: Michael G Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 05:49:34PM -0800, John Rudd wrote: >> That way you could choose to impliment Smalltalk or C++ style >> protections (public, private, protected, etc) > >Last I checked Smalltalk had no privacy protection. > >> So, for Smalltalk t

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-15 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Nov 15, 2001 at 05:49:34PM -0800, John Rudd wrote: > So, for example, lets say I have an object $foo, which is an instance of > Class A. In one method, foo tries to access an instance variable of > $bar, an instance of Class B (not inherited from Class A). This is a naughty thing to do.

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-15 Thread John Rudd
Damian Conway wrote: > > Schwern explained: > >> Going away? No way, it's SPREADING! We might wind up with AUTOGLOB, too. >> >> http://dev.perl.org/rfc/324.pod > > Though it won't be called AUTOGLOB (globs *are* going away), > and its semantics might be closer to those portrayed i

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-09 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 06:48 AM 11/9/2001 +, Piers Cawley wrote: >Dan Sugalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > At 04:21 PM 11/8/2001 -0800, John Rudd wrote: > >>So, does this mean my other heart's desire of operator overloading might > >>be coming forth? (I know, I know, here I am, a smalltalker, asking for >

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-09 Thread Piers Cawley
Dan Sugalski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > At 04:21 PM 11/8/2001 -0800, John Rudd wrote: >>So, does this mean my other heart's desire of operator overloading might >>be coming forth? (I know, I know, here I am, a smalltalker, asking for >>operator overloading ... but, what are the smalltalkers g

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-09 Thread Damian Conway
Schwern explained: > Going away? No way, it's SPREADING! We might wind up with AUTOGLOB, too. > > http://dev.perl.org/rfc/324.pod Though it won't be called AUTOGLOB (globs *are* going away), and its semantics might be closer to those portrayed in: http://www.yetanother.org

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-08 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 04:21:57PM -0800, John Rudd wrote: > So, does this mean my other heart's desire of operator overloading might > be coming forth? Yeah, that was mentioned in Apoc and Exewhatever 3. -- Michael G. Schwern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl6 Quali

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-08 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 04:21 PM 11/8/2001 -0800, John Rudd wrote: >So, does this mean my other heart's desire of operator overloading might >be coming forth? (I know, I know, here I am, a smalltalker, asking for >operator overloading ... but, what are the smalltalkers gonna do, take >away my membership card?) What,

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-08 Thread John Rudd
Michael G Schwern wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 03:56:59PM -0800, John Rudd wrote: > > So, I'm reading various things about lots of changes for perl6, and some > > arcane things going away, and stuff like that.. and I suddenly wondered > > if one of my favorite features of Perl Objects (the

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-08 Thread Michael G Schwern
On Thu, Nov 08, 2001 at 03:56:59PM -0800, John Rudd wrote: > So, I'm reading various things about lots of changes for perl6, and some > arcane things going away, and stuff like that.. and I suddenly wondered > if one of my favorite features of Perl Objects (the one that keeps me > from migrating t

Re: Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-08 Thread Dan Sugalski
At 03:56 PM 11/8/2001 -0800, John Rudd wrote: >I suddenly wondered >if one of my favorite features of Perl Objects is going away: >AUTOLOAD. Only over Damian's dead body... :) Dan --"it's like this"--- D

Stupid Newbie Question

2001-11-08 Thread John Rudd
So, I'm reading various things about lots of changes for perl6, and some arcane things going away, and stuff like that.. and I suddenly wondered if one of my favorite features of Perl Objects (the one that keeps me from migrating to tcl or python, cuz I can never find clear information about whe