Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Mark Hildreth
My vote has to go to ThunderCats: Jaga on the backend with Cheetara for templating. --~--~-~--~~~---~--~~ You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "pylons-discuss" group. To post to this group, send email to pylons-discuss@googlegr

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Tycon
I'm not talking about facebook/youtube type sites, I'm talking about a real web application where users access information, enter information, search and analyze information, and visualize information. I'm not creating web sites for popularity contests, but using the web as a platform for real so

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Colin Flanagan
If you are serious about perusing this path, please consider Seam/RichFaces before doing so. - Original Message From: Tycon To: pylons-discuss Sent: Saturday, January 31, 2009 6:21:28 PM Subject: Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT The point of GWT is that you can use java for the client si

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Michael Bayer
On Jan 31, 2009, at 6:21 PM, Tycon wrote: > > The point of GWT is that you can use java for the client side code, why is that important ? are you one of these "oh the JVM ! we NEED the JVM ! " types ? > > with most > of its core libraries, and you get better optimized javascript, and how c

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Michael Bayer
On Jan 31, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Tycon wrote: > > I'm planning on using GWT only for client side code and doing all > server calls > using JSON, and not using GWT's RPC mechanism. So I guess that would > avoid the problem you are talking about ? or you could just use jquery...ive no idea how you'd

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Jorge Vargas
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 11:00 PM, Tycon wrote: > > because it's not ready so it's just a toy at this point, just like > pyjamas, while GWT is used by real production websites (ever heard of > gmail) Actually all I have heard is the opposite. In fact one of GWT's biggest "but" is that none of ser

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Tycon
because it's not ready so it's just a toy at this point, just like pyjamas, while GWT is used by real production websites (ever heard of gmail) On Jan 31, 5:54 pm, Alberto Valverde wrote: > Tycon wrote: > > The point of GWT is that you can use java for the client side code, > > with most > > of

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Alberto Valverde
Tycon wrote: > The point of GWT is that you can use java for the client side code, > with most > of its core libraries, and you get better optimized javascript, and > much better > development environment and tools (IDE, debugger). > This is superior compared to using any javascript framework, non

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Noah Gift
On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 8:55 AM, jerry wrote: > > """ > the "enterprise" way of thinking is what's brought us the economic > disaster, vast ponzi schemes where everyone looks the other way, > etc. I.e. "seems to work for now so fuck it". > """ > > Bravo, Bravo, and BRAVO! > > This is so brilliant

Re: Source encoding issues

2009-01-31 Thread Damjan
> I know about the pep and how python source files are encoded, but the > interactive shell is something completely different. I wonder on what > local env variable does "shell" depend. Since I have all of them > either sl_SI.UTF8 or en_GB.UTF-8. The Python interactive shell depends on the local

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Tycon
The point of GWT is that you can use java for the client side code, with most of its core libraries, and you get better optimized javascript, and much better development environment and tools (IDE, debugger). This is superior compared to using any javascript framework, none of which offers the com

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread MilesTogoe
Tycon wrote: > I'm planning on using GWT only for client side code and doing all > server calls > using JSON, and not using GWT's RPC mechanism. So I guess that would > avoid the problem you are talking about ? > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but neither Perl/CGI not Pylons/Rails etc > CANNOT > be us

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Dalius Dobravolskas
Michael Bayer wrote: > (we of course ultimately rewrote the whole thing in pylons) This. > same database code and database (remember we're still in java), the > components rendered about 50 times faster. And this. What have you gained from Pylons? Development speed or performance as well? Regard

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Mario Ruggier
Thanks. I have probably been lucky to not have had the opportunity of having GWT inflicted on any of my projects, but your appreciation of GWT resonates very true -- and with many projects java... the problem probably is that google was constrained to hire too quickly, so after having crea

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread chris mollis
;).. pretty good... . not atypical, I'm afraid. Nothing wrong with Java, per se.. but Sun tried to make it an 'industry' (and I suppose in some sense it is), but when you're trying to build an 'industry', you have to let a lot of people in who maybe shouldn't be there (like IBM, and Oracle).. and

Re: Pylons vs Tomcat+GWT

2009-01-31 Thread Michael Bayer
I worked briefly with a project that used GWT (we of course ultimately rewrote the whole thing in pylons) for some portions of a web based administration tool. The components were incredibly simple table controls displaying database data. There were two dozen GWT-derived source files used to g

Re: Is Django more popular than Pylons?

2009-01-31 Thread Kless
On 31 ene, 00:24, Damjan wrote: > > Damjan, and does ipython works from $PYTHONUSERBASE? because it > > doesn't works on virtualenv. If if works then would be another great > > advantage :) > > Yes it works. I've just installed the distro version of ipython, and > it can import the modules in my