Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] ANN: PySol for OS X

2005-01-24 Thread Brian Lenihan
On Jan 24, 2005, at 10:39 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: On Jan 25, 2005, at 1:15, Brian Lenihan wrote: I re-factored Markus F.X.J Oberhumer's excellent PySol solitaire so it could be built as an OS X app bundle using Bob Ippolito's brilliant py2app. ... I am especially interested in finding out if the

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] ANN: PySol for OS X

2005-01-24 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 25, 2005, at 1:15, Brian Lenihan wrote: I re-factored Markus F.X.J Oberhumer's excellent PySol solitaire so it could be built as an OS X app bundle using Bob Ippolito's brilliant py2app. ... I am especially interested in finding out if the py2app bundle really works with a stock 10.3 syst

[Pythonmac-SIG] ANN: PySol for OS X

2005-01-24 Thread Brian Lenihan
I re-factored Markus F.X.J Oberhumer's excellent PySol solitaire so it could be built as an OS X app bundle using Bob Ippolito's brilliant py2app. In addition, I fixed a few bugs, fixed the OS X key-bindings (in the places that really matter), happied up some icons (thanks to everaldo) and add

[Pythonmac-SIG] python.h and veclib.h incompatible?

2005-01-24 Thread Brian Clarkson
Hello. I was swig'ing an extension that made use of veclib in its internals and discovered that if python.h is included before veclib.h that compilation will not succeed. It seems they are interacting so that parts of fp.h are being left out when they shouldn't be. I have distilled the probl

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 24, 2005, at 20:04, has wrote: Paul Berkowitz wrote: It's probably on a par with AppleScript Studio [...] And most applescripters won't even go near Studio because it's "too difficult". Y'know what this says to me? "Opportunity." Indeed, Studio IS "too difficult" for many novice scripters: t

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread has
Paul Berkowitz wrote: >> Now, what about the folks who are complete >> newcomers to Python and/or to programming in general? Actually, writing Automator actions is probably always going to be too difficult for that class of "users" (scripters). Even the AppleScript variety is rather complex for s

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 24, 2005, at 16:18, has wrote: Bob wrote: Now, what about the newbies, the new blood? The folks who are complete newcomers to Python and/or to programming in general? Personally, I'd rather not be bothered catering to that class of users. Well, I know _you're_ not - that's why the Universe

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread has
Bob wrote: Now, what about the newbies, the new blood? The folks who are complete newcomers to Python and/or to programming in general? Personally, I'd rather not be bothered catering to that class of users. Well, I know _you're_ not - that's why the Universe inflicted me upon you, as a form of k

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread Paul Berkowitz
On 1/24/05 12:42 PM, "Bob Ippolito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Now, what about the newbies, the new blood? The folks who are complete >> newcomers to Python and/or to programming in general? Try to see it >> from their point of view: > > Personally, I'd rather not be bothered catering to th

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 24, 2005, at 2:52 PM, has wrote: Bob wrote: It's a question of marketing really: what type(s) of audience do you wish to promote Python to, and what needs to be done to guarantee each's capture? From the public documentation, you would trivially construct an Action in PyObjC with the fol

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread has
Bob wrote: It's a question of marketing really: what type(s) of audience do you wish to promote Python to, and what needs to be done to guarantee each's capture? From the public documentation, you would trivially construct an Action in PyObjC with the following boilerplate: # MyAction.py from F

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: Office Macs, shudder...

2005-01-24 Thread Kevin Ollivier
Hi Pete, On Jan 24, 2005, at 8:45 AM, Pete wrote: The result is close enough that I might be able to convince my office to switch to Apple. You can't beat that! Brendan I hope the wxPython devotees don't assume that Mac users want to see Macs in the office to replace Windows?? I don't think wxPyt

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 24, 2005, at 12:06, has wrote: Bob wrote: Given the description, it would be trivial to write an Automator Action in PyObjC 1.2+ using the py2app plug-in bundle support. Cool. How hard would it be to provide casual users a more Pythonic, easy-to-use API over part or all of that, you think?

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread has
Bob wrote: What's the advantage of PyObjC here? Just because it makes it easier to write the plugin, or does it help with writing the Python code too? The advantage of PyObjC here is that there are two interfaces for creating plugins: Objective-C plugins that implement a certain method, and applesc

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 24, 2005, at 11:45, Paul Berkowitz wrote: On 1/23/05 9:40 PM, "Bob Ippolito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: You're totally wrong here. Automator actions *entirely separate* from applications! Apple applications will not and can not support Automator actions directly, but they may ship with Aut

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread has
Bob wrote: Given the description, it would be trivial to write an Automator Action in PyObjC 1.2+ using the py2app plug-in bundle support. Cool. How hard would it be to provide casual users a more Pythonic, easy-to-use API over part or all of that, you think? The Objective-C API is going to be fa

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread Paul Berkowitz
On 1/23/05 9:40 PM, "Bob Ippolito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > You're totally wrong here. Automator actions *entirely separate* from > applications! Apple applications will not and can not support > Automator actions directly, but they may ship with Automator actions. > Whether these actions

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Re: Office Macs, shudder...

2005-01-24 Thread Pete
The result is close enough that I might be able to convince my office to switch to Apple. You can't beat that! Brendan I hope the wxPython devotees don't assume that Mac users want to see Macs in the office to replace Windows?? Not me. I used to get cheap remarks every time I bought my powerbook

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Jan 24, 2005, at 10:21, Bob Savage wrote: On Jan 23, 2005, at 11:40 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: I would expect that the majority of actions that people will write in Python will do very little inter-application communication anyway and instead will do things that Python is significantly better tha

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Python+Automator?

2005-01-24 Thread Bob Savage
On Jan 23, 2005, at 11:40 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: I would expect that the majority of actions that people will write in Python will do very little inter-application communication anyway and instead will do things that Python is significantly better than AppleScript at (doing stuff on a network,

[Pythonmac-SIG] Re: Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 21, Issue 35

2005-01-24 Thread Brendan Simons
> If we can make > something that Mac users can grudgingly accept as > capable of making > good Mac interfaces, I'll feel we've accomplished our > goal. :-) Kevin, I would like to thank you for your work towards that end. wxPython allows me to develop my apps both on my home mac, and on my

[Pythonmac-SIG] Re: Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 21, Issue 35

2005-01-24 Thread Brendan Simons
> If we can make > something that Mac users can grudgingly accept as > capable of making > good Mac interfaces, I'll feel we've accomplished our > goal. :-) Kevin, I would like to thank you for your work towards that end. wxPython allows me to develop my apps both on my home mac, and on my