Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 34, Issue 59

Title: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 34, Issue 59 On 2/11/06 9:29 PM, "Bob Ippolito" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Well, COM isn't really used anywhere but Win32, and Apple Events are basically Apple's version of out-of-process COM.  Yes, it's crappy as a language, and it's also v

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 34, Issue 59

On Feb 11, 2006, at 9:05 PM, Daniel Lord wrote:On Feb 11, 2006, at 8:11 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:On Feb 11, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Daniel Lord wrote:On Feb 11, 2006, at 6:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ronald Oussoren wrote: Totally off-topic, but if you'd move to setuptools you can keep several separate

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 34, Issue 59

On Feb 11, 2006, at 8:11 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:On Feb 11, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Daniel Lord wrote:On Feb 11, 2006, at 6:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ronald Oussoren wrote: Totally off-topic, but if you'd move to setuptools you can keep several separate packages, but users could install using 'easy_i

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 34, Issue 59

On Feb 11, 2006, at 8:11 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:On Feb 11, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Daniel Lord wrote:On Feb 11, 2006, at 6:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ronald Oussoren wrote: Totally off-topic, but if you'd move to setuptools you can keep several separate packages, but users could install using 'easy_i

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 34, Issue 59

On Feb 11, 2006, at 8:11 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > What they could do is offer better tools for creating scripting > dictionaries, and more documentation on the topic, but that's about > it. > > -bob > BINGO! You win! That's the point. ___ Pythonmac

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 34, Issue 59

On Feb 11, 2006, at 7:37 PM, Daniel Lord wrote:On Feb 11, 2006, at 6:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ronald Oussoren wrote: Totally off-topic, but if you'd move to setuptools you can keep several separate packages, but users could install using 'easy_install appscript' which would then take care of

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] xcode as IDE?

On Feb 11, 2006, at 7:39 PM, I. Vinogradov wrote: > while on the topic of IDEs, would it be possible to somehow adapt > Xcode > to the task? It has Python keyword highlight, and PyObjC is one of the > possible types of documents. > > I have some vague notion that perhaps a pure python file temp

[Pythonmac-SIG] xcode as IDE?

Hello All, while on the topic of IDEs, would it be possible to somehow adapt Xcode to the task? It has Python keyword highlight, and PyObjC is one of the possible types of documents. I have some vague notion that perhaps a pure python file template can be made, that uses framework installation an

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 34, Issue 59

On Feb 11, 2006, at 6:32 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Ronald Oussoren wrote: Totally off-topic, but if you'd move to setuptools you can keep several separate packages, but users could install using 'easy_install appscript' which would then take care of the dependencies for you. I think setuptools

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] a beginner's list

On Feb 11, 2006, at 6:12 PM, has wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: > Totally off-topic, but if you'd move to setuptools you can keep several separate packages, but users could install using 'easy_install appscript' which would then take care of the dependencies for you. >>> >

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] a beginner's list

Bob Ippolito wrote: >>>Totally off-topic, but if you'd move to setuptools you can keep several >>>separate packages, but users could install using 'easy_install appscript' >>>which would then take care of the dependencies for you. >> >>I think setuptools is going to be a great solution and defin

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to fetch iCal todo description?

Paul> On 2/11/06 3:19 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I'm stuck trying to figure out how to get the notes for a todo. Paul> Which OS are you in? OSX 10.3.9 and iCal 1.5.5. Paul> In Panther, 'description' is missing from the AppleScript Paul> dictionary.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] a beginner's list

On Feb 11, 2006, at 2:31 PM, has wrote: > Ronald Oussoren wrote: > >> Totally off-topic, but if you'd move to setuptools you can keep >> several separate packages, but users could install using >> 'easy_install appscript' which would then take care of the >> dependencies for you. > > I thin

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] How to fetch iCal todo description?

On 2/11/06 3:19 PM, "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm stuck trying to figure out how to get the notes for a todo. Which OS are you in? In Panther, 'description' is missing from the AppleScript dictionary. In Tiger, it's there (plus other stuff and several bug fixes). Since app

[Pythonmac-SIG] How to fetch iCal todo description?

I'm plugging away at my little ical appscript interface. The help postings were, well, helpful. Thanks for those. I'm stuck trying to figure out how to get the notes for a todo. If I create a todo via iCal and add a note to it, I don't see any property of the todo instance that contains that n

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Page, first proposal

Ronald Oussoren wrote: further still if PyObjC ends up shipping with some version of OS X. > >I'm not so sure if I would like this, that would make it a lot harder to >provide updates to PyObjC for the system version of Python. Although the >"Apple ships my software with the OS"-factor wo

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] a beginner's list

Ronald Oussoren wrote: >Totally off-topic, but if you'd move to setuptools you can keep several >separate packages, but users could install using 'easy_install appscript' >which would then take care of the dependencies for you. I think setuptools is going to be a great solution and definitely p

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] My stab at a new page

On Feb 11, 2006, at 2:50 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: > > On Feb 11, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > >> >> On 11-feb-2006, at 1:40, Charles Hartman wrote: >> >>> >>> On Feb 10, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: >>> And how about bundling tcltkaqua into it, as well? >>> >>> Becau

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] My stab at a new page

On Feb 11, 2006, at 4:22 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > On 11-feb-2006, at 1:40, Charles Hartman wrote: > >> >> On Feb 10, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: >> >>> And how about bundling tcltkaqua into it, as well? >> >> Because some of us, at least, have no interest in tcl. I'm not >> clea

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fink vs. MacPython

On Feb 11, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote:This whole gigantic discussion is about making MacPython more   friendly.  To do so, we must consolidate our efforts and offer   documentation and support for One Way To Do It, which is going to be   a framework build of Python 2.4.2 with a lot of hac

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Page, first proposal

On 11-feb-2006, at 22:29, Bob Ippolito wrote: On Feb 11, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 10-feb-2006, at 5:08, Brendan Simons wrote: On 9-Feb-06, at 8:10 PM, Chris Barker wrote: further still if PyObjC ends up shipping with some version of OS X. That would make a big d

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Page, first proposal

On 11-feb-2006, at 22:03, Bob Ippolito wrote: On Feb 11, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: On 10-feb-2006, at 2:56, Bob Ippolito wrote: The extension thing we can hack around by installing two copies of the Makefile and having distutils pick a PPC-only Makefile if it detects 10.3.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Page, first proposal

On Feb 11, 2006, at 1:03 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > On 10-feb-2006, at 5:08, Brendan Simons wrote: > >> >> On 9-Feb-06, at 8:10 PM, Chris Barker wrote: >>> >>> further still if PyObjC ends up shipping with some version of OS X. >>> >>> That would make a big difference. >> >> Third

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] My stab at a new page

On 11-feb-2006, at 1:40, Charles Hartman wrote: On Feb 10, 2006, at 5:31 PM, Bill Janssen wrote: And how about bundling tcltkaqua into it, as well? Because some of us, at least, have no interest in tcl. I'm not clear whether its presence interferes with wx (thing #421 that I'm not clea

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] My stab at a new page

On 11-feb-2006, at 0:37, Bill Janssen wrote: I've put up a new page, with a slightly different address: http://bill.janssen.org/mac/new-macpython-page.html. I noticed you use an icon that contains a realistic picture of a snake. Please keep in mind that lots of people are scared of snakes,

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fink vs. MacPython

On Feb 11, 2006, at 12:48 PM, Markus wrote: > Somewhere deep in the latest discussion I read a remark by Bob that > he would not recommend the use of Finks python (there also was > another that he didn't like Debian so that may explain it :) > > I came from Debian to OS X and nearly the first thi

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Page, first proposal

On 10-feb-2006, at 21:37, Christopher Barker wrote: Bob Ippolito wrote: Let's have py2app be a standard part of the 2.4 package. It'd be great if the standard upgrade package had and did everything you need to get started. I suggest easy-install as well. I'd prefer to wait on that until

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Page, first proposal

On 10-feb-2006, at 5:08, Brendan Simons wrote: On 9-Feb-06, at 8:10 PM, Chris Barker wrote: Brendan Simons wrote: SPE is almost there, but still needs a binary install. Would it be there with a good installer? Maybe. However its under active development and changes frequently. BT

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Page, first proposal

On Feb 11, 2006, at 12:53 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > On 10-feb-2006, at 2:56, Bob Ippolito wrote: >> >> The extension thing we can hack around by installing two copies of >> the Makefile and having distutils pick a PPC-only Makefile if it >> detects 10.3. > > I was thinking more along the lin

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] My stab at a new page

On 10-feb-2006, at 4:24, Bill Janssen wrote: Could a Mac ever ship with an acceptable pre-installed Python? If not, perhaps the solution for Apple is to move /usr/bin/python to some other spot, like /usr/libexec/, or some such place. The issue of not being able to produce redistributable ap

[Pythonmac-SIG] Fink vs. MacPython

Hi! Somewhere deep in the latest discussion I read a remark by Bob that he would not recommend the use of Finks python (there also was another that he didn't like Debian so that may explain it :) I came from Debian to OS X and nearly the first thing I did was to install Fink and thusly pyth

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Page, first proposal

On 10-feb-2006, at 2:56, Bob Ippolito wrote: We also get to ignore the issues of which version of Mac OS X they are using because 10.3 and 10.4 will behave the same. Um, aren't there issues with not being able to use the universal version with less than 10.3.9, and not being able to build ex

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] install again?

On 10-feb-2006, at 1:13, Christopher Barker wrote: Ronald Oussoren wrote: That's not really a problem, I need some kind of test to determine if we can get away with loading C++ code compiled with g++-3.3 into a python build with gcc 4. Boost might also be an option for testing. matplotli

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] My stab at a new page

On 9-feb-2006, at 22:14, Bob Ippolito wrote: I've got a great deal of respect and appreciation for those, like Bob and Ronald, working hard on advancing the technology pieces. Great work, just what we all need! But unless there's some effective delivery vehicle for getting that work to the cu

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] My stab at a new page

On 9-feb-2006, at 21:25, Bill Janssen wrote: 1. Link to the "Macintosh Library Module": A lot of that stuff will be rendered obsolete the minute Bob releases the universal build of MacPython. PythonIDE, Package Manager, etc.: not gonna be included. At a minimum, you should note that this st

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] a beginner's list

On 9-feb-2006, at 16:34, has wrote: As has been said elsewhere, if the aim is to market Python to a broad audience then it's at least as much an exercise in influencing perceptions as technical merit. And often folk just don't like to be presented with a long list of things to download

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Page, first proposal

On 9-feb-2006, at 4:24, Bill Janssen wrote: I am one of those too, of course, but I do know a lot of Mac users who spend most of their time in applications like Photoshop, Dreamweaver, BBEdit, etc. and rarely venture towards the Terminal. Not quite the same audience, but at least some of them w

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] a beginner's list

On 9-feb-2006, at 4:13, Kevin Ollivier wrote: The difference is that if I didn't know better, I'd get really pissed off if I upgraded my OS and all of my very important work stuff breaks and makes me waste a day tracking down what needs to be fixed. That's not what an OS upgrade is supposed to

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Page, first proposal

On 9-feb-2006, at 2:42, Bob Ippolito wrote: On Feb 8, 2006, at 3:55 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: Charles Hartman wrote: But we're not. I never use the Terminal with Python. I use WingIDE (can't recommend to beginners because it uses X11). Um, why not? I think X11 now comes with OS-X by d

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] New Page, first proposal

On 9-feb-2006, at 2:40, Bob Ippolito wrote: On Feb 8, 2006, at 2:42 PM, Charles Hartman wrote: I'm afraid that you're right about this, and I think it's the biggest obstacle to the project of getting (non-Unix) Mac users interested in Python when they go looking for a language, or just looki

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [XML-SIG] PyXML 0.8.4 and expat byteorder

Bob Ippolito wrote: > Here's the PyXML patch that gets expat byteorder from pyconfig.h. I > don't know who the maintainer is nor do I have any interest in > subscribing to xml-sig (this CC will probably bounce, or get stuck in > mod queue for days/weeks/forever). If you give a damn about PyXML >

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] [XML-SIG] PyXML 0.8.4 and expat byteorder

Bob Ippolito wrote: > Here's the PyXML patch that gets expat byteorder from pyconfig.h. I > don't know who the maintainer is nor do I have any interest in > subscribing to xml-sig (this CC will probably bounce, or get stuck in > mod queue for days/weeks/forever). If you give a damn about PyXML >

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript introspection?

ned> 1. appscript supplies a help method for appscript objects. has> You can also render terminology to HTML file using the htmldoc has> module. Easiest way is via HTMLDictionary Thanks for the excellent help. They are just what I need... Skip __

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] appscript introspection?

Ned Deily nad at acm.org wrote: > > but I haven't found anywhere that lists all the attributes of an event, > >1. appscript supplies a help method for appscript objects. You can also render terminology to HTML file using the htmldoc module. Easiest way is via HTMLDictionary