Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] NSZombies eating my brain

2006-04-10 Thread Saggau
I'm instantiating afresh and adding my python object to the NSArray controller each time.  It always crashes on the second addition with the NSZombie problem. Output of malloc_history on my NSZombie:superbadpbook:~ jonathan$ malloc_history 506 0x1147cb0 Call [2] [arg=12]: thread_a000ed98 |0x0 | _dy

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Install location

2006-04-10 Thread Trent Mick
[Trent] > > ...the waste libs [are] obviously ancient, unmaintained > > and [don't] provide near the functionality of other facilities [Bob Ippolito wrote] > Well, the WASTE license isn't all that friendly. I'd have thrown it > out for that reason alone. Happy coincidence! :) Trent -- Tren

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japaneseinput" support

2006-04-10 Thread Dethe Elza
On 4/10/06, Kent Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: Ronald Oussoren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:42 PM > To: Kent Quirk > Cc: Dethe Elza; Gábor Farkas; pythonmac-sig@python.org > Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolk

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-10 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 10, 2006, at 2:45 PM, has wrote: > Ronald wrote: > I think you're totally mislead as to what IDLE does. Yes, it has interactive interpreters with a save feature, but it also edits source files and has a debugger. It IS conventional. >>> >>> Yep, you're right. I never u

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Install location

2006-04-10 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 10, 2006, at 3:11 PM, Trent Mick wrote: > [Bob Ippolito wrote] >> >> On Apr 10, 2006, at 2:29 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: >> >>> On 10-apr-2006, at 23:14, Trent Mick wrote: >>> The old (now deprecated) Mac "Python IDE.app" was never included in ActivePython. >>> >>> Good for you!

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython book. First example misbehaves on my Mac ?? What's happening?

2006-04-10 Thread w chun
On 4/10/06, Charles Hartman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And I think the shebang line at the beginning should be > #!/usr/bin/env pythonw > >> On Apr 10, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Opstad, Dave wrote: >> I think the return should be True, not true. the reason why you are seeing it just "flash" by is th

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Install location

2006-04-10 Thread Trent Mick
[Bob Ippolito wrote] > > On Apr 10, 2006, at 2:29 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > > >On 10-apr-2006, at 23:14, Trent Mick wrote: > > > >>The old (now deprecated) Mac "Python IDE.app" was never included in > >>ActivePython. > > > >Good for you! I hope we can completely remove it for Python 2.5 (and

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Install location

2006-04-10 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 10, 2006, at 2:29 PM, Ronald Oussoren wrote: > On 10-apr-2006, at 23:14, Trent Mick wrote: > >> The old (now deprecated) Mac "Python IDE.app" was never included in >> ActivePython. > > Good for you! I hope we can completely remove it for Python 2.5 > (and my > the universal build also do

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japaneseinput" support

2006-04-10 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 10, 2006, at 2:21 PM, Kent Quirk wrote: > From: Ronald Oussoren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:42 PM > To: Kent Quirk > Cc: Dethe Elza; Gábor Farkas; pythonmac-sig@python.org > Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with > "japaneseinput" suppo

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-10 Thread has
Ronald wrote: >>>I think you're totally mislead as to what IDLE does. Yes, it has >>>interactive interpreters with a save feature, but it also edits source files >>>and has a debugger. It IS conventional. >> >>Yep, you're right. I never use IDLE myself (it's a bizarre-looking beast [1] >>and

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japaneseinput" support

2006-04-10 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 10-apr-2006, at 23:21, Kent Quirk wrote: > > -Original Message- > From: Ronald Oussoren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:42 PM > To: Kent Quirk > Cc: Dethe Elza; Gábor Farkas; pythonmac-sig@python.org > Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit w

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Install location

2006-04-10 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 10-apr-2006, at 23:14, Trent Mick wrote: > [Timothy Reaves wrote] >> Why is it the installer at http://www.python.org/download/releases/ >> 2.4.3/ install into /Applications ? Why does it not install as a >> framework? ActiveState Python does, although they still user /usr/ >> local/bin

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japaneseinput" support

2006-04-10 Thread Kent Quirk
-Original Message- From: Ronald Oussoren [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:42 PM To: Kent Quirk Cc: Dethe Elza; Gábor Farkas; pythonmac-sig@python.org Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japaneseinput" support >> I get the impression th

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Install location

2006-04-10 Thread Trent Mick
[Timothy Reaves wrote] > Why is it the installer at http://www.python.org/download/releases/ > 2.4.3/ install into /Applications ? Why does it not install as a > framework? ActiveState Python does, although they still user /usr/ > local/bin for the links. As Bob and Ronald mentions the

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japaneseinput" support

2006-04-10 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 10-apr-2006, at 20:22, Kent Quirk wrote: > > > -Original Message- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:pythonmac-sig- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dethe Elza > Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:35 PM > To: Gábor Farkas > Cc: pythonmac-sig@python.org > Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-10 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On 10-apr-2006, at 19:29, has wrote: > Bob wrote: > >> I think you're totally mislead as to what IDLE does. Yes, it has >> interactive interpreters with a save feature, but it also edits >> source files and has a debugger. It IS conventional. > > Yep, you're right. I never use IDLE myself (

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] The Universal Buld and py2app

2006-04-10 Thread Zachery Bir
On Apr 1, 2006, at 10:02 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > On Mar 27, 2006, at 5:29 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > >> On Mar 27, 2006, at 5:10 PM, Christopher Barker wrote: >> >>> Bob, >>> >>> What's the status of Py2App and the new universal build. I'd like >>> to start making packages for it, but I"d really

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython book. First example misbehaves on my Mac ?? What's happening?

2006-04-10 Thread Charles Hartman
On Apr 10, 2006, at 3:21 PM, Opstad, Dave wrote:On 4/10/06 12:11 PM, "Louis Pecora" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > #!/usr/bin/pythonw > > import wx > > class App(wx.App): > def OnInit(self): > frame = wx.Frame(parent=None, title="BaRe") > frame.Show() > return true > > ap

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython book. First example misbehaves on my Mac ?? What's happening?

2006-04-10 Thread Opstad, Dave
Title: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython book. First example misbehaves on my Mac ?? What's happening? On 4/10/06 12:11 PM, "Louis Pecora" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > #!/usr/bin/pythonw > > import wx > > class App(wx.App): > def OnInit(self): > frame = wx.Frame(parent=None, title="Ba

[Pythonmac-SIG] wxPython book. First example misbehaves on my Mac ?? What's happening?

2006-04-10 Thread Louis Pecora
I just got the wxPython in Action book (Rappin and Dunn). Looks good. I've been fooling around with the first two (very trivial) examples, but their behavior is not what is expected. They run, a window (frame) opens, but then immediately closes and the application quits. No errors. Just "n

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japaneseinput" support

2006-04-10 Thread Dethe Elza
On 4/10/06, Kent Quirk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > so, is there something simpler? maybe a simple gui toolkit built on cocoa? > > > There is a simple GUI toolkit built on Cocoa, it's called PyObjC. > > For particularly large values of "simple", I guess. For those who don't > already speak Coc

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japanese input" support

2006-04-10 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 10, 2006, at 11:04 AM, gabor wrote: > Dethe Elza wrote: >> On 4/10/06, Gábor Farkas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> hi, >>> >>> i'd like to write a simple python-mac application, >>> for which i need to choose a gui toolkit. >> >> The primary GUI toolkit for Mac-specific work is to use Coco

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japaneseinput" support

2006-04-10 Thread Kent Quirk
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dethe Elza Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 1:35 PM To: Gábor Farkas Cc: pythonmac-sig@python.org Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japaneseinput" support > > so, is there something

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japanese input" support

2006-04-10 Thread gabor
Dethe Elza wrote: > On 4/10/06, Gábor Farkas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> hi, >> >> i'd like to write a simple python-mac application, >> for which i need to choose a gui toolkit. > > The primary GUI toolkit for Mac-specific work is to use Cocoa via the > PyObjC bridge. > > http://pyobjc.sourcef

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japanese input" support

2006-04-10 Thread Dethe Elza
On 4/10/06, Gábor Farkas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > hi, > > i'd like to write a simple python-mac application, > for which i need to choose a gui toolkit. The primary GUI toolkit for Mac-specific work is to use Cocoa via the PyObjC bridge. http://pyobjc.sourceforge.net/ > the problem is that i

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-10 Thread has
Bob wrote: >I think you're totally mislead as to what IDLE does. Yes, it has interactive >interpreters with a save feature, but it also edits source files and has a >debugger. It IS conventional. Yep, you're right. I never use IDLE myself (it's a bizarre-looking beast [1] and I notice it doe

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] bin and version

2006-04-10 Thread Saggau
You can show all hidden files in the finder, too.defaults write com.apple.finder AppleShowAllFiles -bool TRUEOn tiger, this causes all icons to get a little bit transparent as though they're all hidden. I think that there is a macosxhints discussion about this that wraps it all up in a nice applesc

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] bin and version

2006-04-10 Thread Dethe Elza
On 4/9/06, Daniel Lord <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Apr 8, 2006, at 7:59 PM, linda.s wrote: > > > Hi, > > I installed quite a few python versions in my computer and I want to > > know where they are located. > > Should i check them in the bin folder? > > If so, why I can not find the bin folde

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-10 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 10, 2006, at 4:11 AM, has wrote: > I wrote: > >>> * IDLE Application icon >> >> A typical editor icon a-la Script Editor except with the Python >> icon and a different style of pen (e.g. technical pencil) may be >> acceptable; the only caveat is that IDLE isn't a conventional >> docu

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japanese input" support

2006-04-10 Thread Henning Hraban Ramm
Am 2006-04-10 um 17:06 schrieb Gábor Farkas: > i'd like to write a simple python-mac application, > for which i need to choose a gui toolkit. > > the problem is that i need to be able to enter japanese text, > which means i need support for i don't know how that's called > in osx > (on linux

[Pythonmac-SIG] needed: simple gui toolkit with "japanese input" support

2006-04-10 Thread Gábor Farkas
hi, i'd like to write a simple python-mac application, for which i need to choose a gui toolkit. the problem is that i need to be able to enter japanese text, which means i need support for i don't know how that's called in osx (on linux that would be input methods). for example with tkinte

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] talking points, Pythonismus

2006-04-10 Thread Kent Quirk
Charles wrote:   ~~ I've been campaigning with the main teacher of programming on my campus -- from my thoroughly non-leveraged position as prof of English -- to consider switching from Java to Python, for all the reasons which will be obvious to everybody here. (The existen

[Pythonmac-SIG] appscript installer contents not Universal

2006-04-10 Thread Daniel Lord
I have discovered that the appscript installer from your site is not Universal, though building it from source using he new Universal Python build works. I have an Intel system and I built, installed, and tested it (somewhat with my own projects). If you send me the instruction to build the p

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-10 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Monday, April 10, 2006, at 01:25PM, has <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I wrote: > >>>* IDLE Application icon >> >>A typical editor icon a-la Script Editor except with the Python icon and a >>different style of pen (e.g. technical pencil) may be acceptable; the only >>caveat is that IDLE isn't

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-10 Thread has
I wrote: >>* IDLE Application icon > >A typical editor icon a-la Script Editor except with the Python icon and a >different style of pen (e.g. technical pencil) may be acceptable; the only >caveat is that IDLE isn't a conventional document editor a-la Script Editor >but more a lightweight inter

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-10 Thread has
Ronald Oussoren wrote: > >All it needs is somebody with some decent Photoshop compositing skills (and > >maybe a nice 3D drawing of a technical pencil) to > > assemble the finished elements. [...] > > I'd be happy that someone with more practice at icon work did it though; > > that Kenichi Yosh

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-10 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Monday, April 10, 2006, at 02:25AM, has <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >All it needs is somebody with some decent Photoshop compositing skills (and >maybe a nice 3D drawing of a technical pencil) to > assemble the finished elements. I'd have done it myself by now just to settle > it, only I

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Install location

2006-04-10 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Monday, April 10, 2006, at 02:07AM, Timothy Reaves <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why is it the installer at http://www.python.org/download/releases/ >2.4.3/ install into /Applications ? Why does it not install as a >framework? ActiveState Python does, although they still user /usr/

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] is anyone annoyed with MacPython2.4's IDLE'scursor info

2006-04-10 Thread Ronald Oussoren
On Sunday, April 09, 2006, at 11:38PM, Nehemiah I. Dacres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>> While im at it, will there ever be the same kind of syntax >>> coloring in >>> "Python IDE" otherwise I'll just continue to use TextWrangler"? >> >> You're probably better of asking about syntax colori