[Pythonmac-SIG] No arbitrary precison math on Mac-tel say it ain't so!

2006-04-21 Thread Daniel Lord
The analog of a single gene pool in nature has come to pass for arbitrary precison math (APM) for OS X (native not Python).GMP is 'it' for APM as far as I can tell unless I want to write my own.And GMP doesn't compile on Mac-tel and won't for some time:The current release is 4.2, released 2006-03-2

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 21, 2006, at 21:08, Paul Berkowitz wrote: > On 4/21/06 4:40 PM, "Daniel Lord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> As for applet icons. How about taking a different tack such as a >> variation on the icon used for Applescript applications: >> After all, a p2app application is still a script dee

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Paul Berkowitz
On 4/21/06 4:40 PM, "Daniel Lord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > As for applet icons. How about taking a different tack such as a > variation on the icon used for Applescript applications: > After all, a p2app application is still a script deep down. NOT a good idea. That icon belongs to AppleScrip

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] help needed with py2app for self updating application

2006-04-21 Thread SPE Stani's Python Editor
One more question which which versions of python and wxPython ship OS X 10.2, 10.3 and any version which is still common? (For 10.4 it is python2.3.5 and wxPython2.5.3.1 (check with import wx;wx.VERSION). Stani -- http://pythonide.stani.be http://pythonide.stani.be/screenshots http://pythonide.st

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 21, 2006, at 20:00, Jacob Rus wrote: > Jacob Rus wrote: >> How's this then: >> >> http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/prettified-py-icons.png > > Alright, 2 or 3 of the icons have since been updated, and that picture > is new and improved. Are there any more suggested tweaks, or are the >

[Pythonmac-SIG] help needed with py2app for self updating application

2006-04-21 Thread SPE Stani's Python Editor
Hi, I need to do my first experiment with py2app. I creating a GUI program with wxPython which will be distributed for Mac and Windows. The audience of the program is not technical at all (eg they've never heard about Python), so everything should go automatically. The program should be able to u

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Jacob Rus
Jacob Rus wrote: > How's this then: > > http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/prettified-py-icons.png Alright, 2 or 3 of the icons have since been updated, and that picture is new and improved. Are there any more suggested tweaks, or are the icons done so far ready to sail? Specifically, what d

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] spaces

2006-04-21 Thread kevin parks
On Apr 21, 2006, at 9:39 PM, Bob Ippolito wrote: > I'm -0 because these aren't really all that visible anyway and it just > doesn't seem like a real win. BuildApplet will go away eventually, > and PythonLauncher is rarely ever touched directly. true enough.. on these 2 in particular.. but one

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] spaces

2006-04-21 Thread Jacob Rus
kevin parks wrote: > On Apr 21, 2006, at 4:44 PM, Jacob Rus wrote: > >> 4. Let's add some spaces in the names of things like PythonIDE.app, >> BuildApplet.app, PythonLauncher.app and PackageManager.app. > > please god, no... grrr i hate escaping spaces in the terminal. > double grr... W

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] spaces

2006-04-21 Thread Bob Ippolito
Since these are GUI apps, there's little use for them from the terminal.. beyond open -a "Build Applet" or whatever. I'm -0 because these aren't really all that visible anyway and it just doesn't seem like a real win. BuildApplet will go away eventually, and PythonLauncher is rarely ever to

[Pythonmac-SIG] spaces

2006-04-21 Thread kevin parks
please god, no... grrr i hate escaping spaces in the terminal. double grr... On Apr 21, 2006, at 4:44 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 4. Let's add some spaces in the names of things like PythonIDE.app, > BuildApplet.app, PythonLauncher.app and PackageManager.app. __

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] osx 10.4 launch daemon

2006-04-21 Thread Jacob Rus
Mark Phillips wrote: > I am setting up a server application that needs to be available 24/7. > I would like to set this up to launch whenever the machine reboots. > On RedHat 6.3 and Fedora Core, I modified rc.local and added a couple > of cron jobs to handle the launch and housekeeping. I no

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Jacob Rus
Daniel Lord wrote: > As for applet icons. How about taking a different tack such as a > variation on the icon used for Applescript applications: After > all, a p2app application is still a script deep down. I was thinking along the lines of the "Generic Java Application" [icon][1]. I think

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Daniel Lord
As for applet icons. How about taking a different tack such as a variation on the icon used for Applescript applications: After all, a p2app application is still a script deep down. ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.

[Pythonmac-SIG] osx 10.4 launch daemon

2006-04-21 Thread Mark Phillips
I am setting up a server application that needs to be available 24/7. I would like to set this up to launch whenever the machine reboots. On RedHat 6.3 and Fedora Core, I modified rc.local and added a couple of cron jobs to handle the launch and housekeeping. I noted at developer.apple.com

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] on a tangent from new icons

2006-04-21 Thread Bill Janssen
> http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/prettified-py-icons.png The egg icon looks odd to me. I think it's that the highlights on the logo don't seem to match the lighting direction on the egg. Or maybe the narrow end of the egg is just too wide. Not sure. Bill __

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Jacob Rus
has wrote: The pen on the IDLE icon could use some subtle tweaking as it's looking a bit flat, grey and lifeless, and a tad long and thin too... I've attached a rough version to give an idea. I might've taken slightly too much off the barrel, and I've lost some highlights. It was quick-n-d

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] on a tangent from new icons

2006-04-21 Thread Bob Ippolito
On Apr 21, 2006, at 3:08 PM, Jacob Rus wrote: > Bob Ippolito wrote: >> Jacob Rus wrote: >>>* Do we want different icons for py2applet.app and >>> BuildApplet.app? >>> What exactly is the difference between these? >> >> BuildApplet isn't any good at creating self-contained applications.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] on a tangent from new icons

2006-04-21 Thread Jacob Rus
Bob Ippolito wrote: > Jacob Rus wrote: >>* Do we want different icons for py2applet.app and BuildApplet.app? >> What exactly is the difference between these? > > BuildApplet isn't any good at creating self-contained applications. > py2applet is. py2app does not ship with Python. Ok, wel

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] on a tangent from new icons

2006-04-21 Thread Tom Pollard
On Apr 21, 2006, at 5:33 PM, Donovan Preston wrote: > Can the person who wrote the importer pipe up? How is it licensed? > Can someone who has Python checkin rights volunteer to get it checked > in and built by the normal build process? If not, then I think it > should remain a separate download.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread glenn andreas
On Apr 21, 2006, at 4:18 PM, Donovan Preston wrote:On Apr 21, 2006, at 6:04 AM, glenn andreas wrote:Since a .egg is neither a bundle nor does it contain executable code,  it doesn't seem right to me. What? That's exactly what an egg is, a bundle (zip) of executable code.A "Bundle" under OS/X has a

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] on a tangent from new icons

2006-04-21 Thread Donovan Preston
On Apr 21, 2006, at 1:44 PM, Jacob Rus wrote: > 1. If it doesn't already, I think Mac Python should ship with a > python > spotlight importer (I got one somewhere else, but should be > default) I'm +0 on this. I got the spotlight importer someone mentioned on this list a while back

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 36, Issue 69

2006-04-21 Thread Donovan Preston
On Apr 21, 2006, at 11:53 AM, Brendan Simons wrote: > >> From: Zachery Bir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:22:30 -0400 >> Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup > > >> On Apr 21, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Jacob Rus wrote: > >>> Zachery Bir wrote: glenn andreas wrot

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Donovan Preston
On Apr 21, 2006, at 6:04 AM, glenn andreas wrote:Since a .egg is neither a bundle nor does it contain executable code,   it doesn't seem right to me. What? That's exactly what an egg is, a bundle (zip) of executable code.dp___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - P

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Donovan Preston
On Apr 21, 2006, at 5:04 AM, Brendan Simons wrote:I'm wary of using the brick logo, because as far as I can see Apple uses them extensively for OS components.  I don't want to dilute their visual meaning by co-opting the icon for something different.  I agree that the box isn't great either though

[Pythonmac-SIG] on a tangent from new icons

2006-04-21 Thread Jacob Rus
While we're adding a bunch of icons to Mac Python, and editing Info.plist files, and so on, I think we might as well make a few other changes: 1. If it doesn't already, I think Mac Python should ship with a python spotlight importer (I got one somewhere else, but should be default) 2.

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Bill Janssen
> > Yeah, the way to do it is editing the app's Info.plist, and adding the > > icon to my.app/Contents/Resources. > But wouldn't that make all BBedit associated files get the Python icon? No. Take a look at http://developer.apple.com/documentation/MacOSX/Conceptual/BPRuntimeConfig/BPRuntimeCon

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 21, 2006, at 12:12, Christopher Barker wrote:Yeah, the way to do it is editing the app's Info.plist, and adding the  icon to my.app/Contents/Resources. But wouldn't that make all BBedit associated files get the Python icon? Yes, I believe it would and, further, one would have to keep 'hacki

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Christopher Barker
Jacob Rus wrote: > Christopher Barker wrote: > >> Question: Do icons need to be associated with applications? Personally, >> I'd love to have all my *.py files have a nice python icon, but be able >> to choose what text editor or IDE I'd want them to open up with my >> default (and it won't be

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Pythonmac-SIG Digest, Vol 36, Issue 69

2006-04-21 Thread Brendan Simons
>From: Zachery Bir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 10:22:30 -0400 >Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup >On Apr 21, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Jacob Rus wrote: >> Zachery Bir wrote: >>> glenn andreas wrote: A shaded egg with a python logo decal seems good... >>> >>>

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Jacob Rus
Christopher Barker wrote: > Question: Do icons need to be associated with applications? Personally, > I'd love to have all my *.py files have a nice python icon, but be able > to choose what text editor or IDE I'd want them to open up with my > default (and it won't be IDLE!). i.e. I want the p

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Daniel Lord
On Apr 21, 2006, at 9:45, Christopher Barker wrote: > > Question: Do icons need to be associated with applications? > Personally, > I'd love to have all my *.py files have a nice python icon, but be > able > to choose what text editor or IDE I'd want them to open up with my > default (and it w

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Christopher Barker
Jacob Rus wrote: >> It might be handy to compare versions with 2D-snakes and 3D-snakes side >> by side +1 on the glossy: it really says OS-X > I don't think stealing the Apple Installer icon is a good idea for > .egg though - double-clicking it doesn't install anything. Yet. We have talked about

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Bill Janssen
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/132185325/ Great job, the both of you. Let's declare victory and go home. Bill ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/pythonmac-sig

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Universal build of Tcl/Tk: 2 Pythonic questions

2006-04-21 Thread Kevin Walzer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Kevin Walzer wrote: > 1. In preparing my "universal build" of Tcl/Tk for upload to the > Pythonmac package site, I just realized that it is from a CVS HEAD > tarball that's a couple of weeks old--which means that it's Tcl/Tk 8.5, > not 8.4.x. Will Tkin

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] HFS versus POSIX paths (changed from fixing the documentation)

2006-04-21 Thread has
Daniel Lord wrote: >I am writing an app combining excel and python/appscript to fetch quotes from >the web and value stock portfolios . >But I give up on using appscript with Excel--some things just don't work >because I think the terminology is seriously warped if no broken. >Applescriptworks

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fixing the documentation...

2006-04-21 Thread has
Russell Finn wrote: >Well, no; see below. > >> join('d1', 'Users') >> ':d1:Users' # wrong! (should be 'd1:Users') > >The docstring for macpath.isabs() contradicts this, however: > >"""On the Mac, relative paths begin with a colon, >but as a special case, paths with no colons at all are als

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Kent Quirk
Ok, that set just rocks. Nice work. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jacob Rus Sent: Friday, April 21, 2006 10:14 AM To: pythonmac-sig@python.org Subject: Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup Zachery Bir wrote: > glenn andreas wro

[Pythonmac-SIG] Universal build of Tcl/Tk: 2 Pythonic questions

2006-04-21 Thread Kevin Walzer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 1. In preparing my "universal build" of Tcl/Tk for upload to the Pythonmac package site, I just realized that it is from a CVS HEAD tarball that's a couple of weeks old--which means that it's Tcl/Tk 8.5, not 8.4.x. Will Tkinter work when loaded against

[Pythonmac-SIG] where to load files?

2006-04-21 Thread Mark Phillips
I have a server application I wrote using Webware. It runs well on Fedora Core and RH 6.3. Now I have a need to install it on Mac OS X Server 10.4.x. The application needs to run 24/7, and to be launched at boot. I want to place the files so that os updates and similar do not interfere wit

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Framework build with readline - question

2006-04-21 Thread bear
looks like I found my answer. It seems --with-readline is no longer required and that configure will locate readline if it's installed. Since we are building our own framework build and don't want to depend on the target system having readline we need to pass to configure LIBS= and CPPFLAGS=

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Zachery Bir
On Apr 21, 2006, at 10:14 AM, Jacob Rus wrote: > Zachery Bir wrote: >> glenn andreas wrote: >>> A shaded egg with a python logo decal seems good... >> >> +1 > > How's this then: > > http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/prettified-py-icons.png Love it! Zac

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Jacob Rus
Zachery Bir wrote: > glenn andreas wrote: >> A shaded egg with a python logo decal seems good... > > +1 How's this then: http://hcs.harvard.edu/~jrus/python/prettified-py-icons.png -Jacob ___ Pythonmac-SIG maillist - Pythonmac-SIG@python.org http:/

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Arthur Elsenaar
On 21 Apr 2006, at 15:18, Jacob Rus wrote: >> - The rocket logo looks better to me centered over the widest bit > > Yeah, I think so too, now that I compare them. I'm still not sure I > like the rocket in general... it's kind of tacky. just a quick idea, launching on the mac is equivalent to bo

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Zachery Bir
On Apr 21, 2006, at 9:04 AM, glenn andreas wrote: > On Apr 21, 2006, at 7:09 AM, Zachery Bir wrote: > >> A lot of Internet Plug-ins use them, and I've seen them branded by >> the developers of such. I don't think we'll be diluting much. >> >> Zac > > That's because the lego brick icon is designed

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread glenn andreas
On Apr 21, 2006, at 7:09 AM, Zachery Bir wrote: > On Apr 21, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Brendan Simons wrote: > >> On 21-Apr-06, at 6:00 AM, donovan wrote: I don't think stealing the Apple Installer icon is a good idea for .egg though - double-clicking it doesn't install anything. Perhaps

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Jacob Rus
Brendan Simons wrote: > I'm wary of using the brick logo, because as far as I can see Apple uses > them extensively for OS components. I don't want to dilute their visual > meaning by co-opting the icon for something different. I agree that the > box isn't great either though since eggs aren't

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Zachery Bir
On Apr 21, 2006, at 8:04 AM, Brendan Simons wrote: > On 21-Apr-06, at 6:00 AM, donovan wrote: >>> I don't think stealing the Apple Installer icon is a good idea for >>> .egg though - double-clicking it doesn't install anything. Perhaps >>> something closer to a StuffIt archive icon (a closed box)

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Brendan Simons
On 21-Apr-06, at 6:00 AM, donovan wrote:I don't think stealing the Apple Installer icon is a good idea for.egg though - double-clicking it doesn't install anything.  Perhapssomething closer to a StuffIt archive icon (a closed box) or a Pythonlogo behind Apple's zipper icon with "EGG" underneath.  O

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Size of (Universal) Py2app apps?

2006-04-21 Thread Zachery Bir
On Apr 20, 2006, at 11:22 PM, Ryan Wilcox wrote: > Hi all, > > I recently converted my pyobjc application to Universal Python 2.4, > and the size came out to 7.4MB. > > Does this sound reasonable to everybody in size, or is there > something in my setup.py that I need to change/add now that I'

[Pythonmac-SIG] hiding pyc files

2006-04-21 Thread Michael Barber
All the recent discussion of icons and filetypes has got me wondering: is there a way to get the Finder to hide all of the bytecode files? Presumably, this would require hiding files based on the filename extensions. I've been unable to find anything about that with Google; I get drowned i

Re: [Pythonmac-SIG] Fwd: MacPython icon mockup

2006-04-21 Thread Jacob Rus
Brendan Simons wrote: > I've attached a few more mockups using Jacob's excellent aquified > logo. Have a look here: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/132185325/ Alright, I tried the monochrome idea for bytecode files, and also put up my own attempt at an embossed logo on a rocke