Does anyone have an electronic source for the infamous Herron denial
document? Is it available in hard-copy somehow? Does anyone know how to
get hold of it? Would love to read it.
Jim's point about the role of the IPA is correct, and if Herron/Howard used
Brunton's IPA 'backgrounder' as a sour
Lost relative found at stolen generation rally
Source: AAP | Published: Thursday April 6, 11:55 AM
Australian Democrats Senator Aden Ridgeway discovered a cousin amongst a
rally of stolen generation Aborigines
outside Parliament House.
Valerie Wemberg, of Liverpool, Sydney, tearfully embraced
The Aboriginal affairs body that works out of Howard's office.
Herron is just the front man who is there to catch the flack for Howard.
Howard doesn't trust Herron with it so he is the minister in name and
Howard makes the decision which Herron then gets to sell.
Trudy
Jim Duffield wrote:
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Browse to this:
http://www.ipa.org.au/people/hpbrunton.htm
Who wrote the PMs /Heron's paper for the parliamentary enquiry?
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ABC News
Thu, 6 Apr 2000 13:06 AEST
Angry Stolen Generations
members gather in Canberra
Members of the Stolen Generations have gathered
outside Parliament House in Canberra to deliver
an impassioned plea for recognition by the Federal
Government.
The Aboriginal people say reconciliation cannot
On 6 Apr 2000, at 10:34, Peter Tremain wrote:
> It is my understanding that Nazi German murder of Jews, Gypsies,
> Homosexuals, mentally impared etc. was in fact illegal under German
> law. I'm not talking about arrest and imprisonment, which had the
> rubber stamp of the German judicial syst
"The mood and temper of the public in regard to the treatment of crime
and criminals is one of the most unfailing tests of the civilization of any
country."
Winston Churchill - 1910
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Thanks for that, Peter - an excellent post.
So come on Karen, here's an opportunity. If you are going to have anything
to say to Peter's post take your time, quote relevant sections, and respond
to the points he has made - point by point. Don't get side-tracked, and
don't try to ignore the thin
Trudy,
Sorry I missed that. Our e-mail system has been somewhat chaotic of recent
times. I am having to cope with about 150 messages a day as Carolyn's system
has crashed and I have diverted her messages onto my system. Currently, I am
trying to get her system up and running but it is proving to
I would like to urge everyone who has a few minutes to write a letter to
the editor of your favourite (or all your favourites) paper.
Keep it short and it will have a better chance of being published.
My letter was published in the Canberra Times today.
Trudy
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The Sydney Morning Herald
For none of you: same old story
Date: 06/04/00
FROM THE GALLERY by MIKE SECCOMBE
For all of us. That was the slogan on which John Howard rode to victory
at the 1996 election.
At the time, one of the foremost Aboriginal leaders, Noel Pearson,
caused controversy by sugg
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> > > With respect to the stolen generation and the holocaust my point is that
> > > there is an extreme difference of degree. In most cases of wrong doing we
> > > recognise a range of culpability. It is wrong to jail a person for
> > > stealing a biscuit and some cordial, but entirely j
I have read the posts concerning police with interest and feel
qualified to offer some observations as I currently provide academic
support to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander students studying
Diploma of Policing at Golbourne Police Academy.
NSW Police Services has identified that they h
Thanks for the information and the perspective,Jim.
We must not be sidetracked into spending time arguing against the racist
white- blindfold view of Australian history rather than spending time trying
to convince non -indigenous Australians that the demands of Aboriginal
people must be met if a
Hi,
Yes. I should add a correction - I spoke of the Burke government's
new laws, whereas this article deals with a particularly worrying legal
report intended to justify new laws of dispossession. A bit of a
difference.
Cheers,
Matthew Davis
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>From the Stay in Touch page of the SMH - The Good Oil
"We'll cross the floor. Probably. Maybe not. OK, we won't, but
we'll look very cross."
-Small l Liberals such as Petro Georgiou sticking to their principles.
Trudy
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Truth is a pathless land. --- Krish
There you go getting all defensive again. I didn't take a shot at you
personally at all. All I said is that I wished you'd stop getting defensive
and address each argument point by point. As for you having responded to
all the issues, well, I haven't heard a word of feedback about the thesis I
5 April 2000
ACF - For Immediate release
Kakadu turns 21 today - as uranium bungles continue
Australias largest National Park, Kakadu, turns 21 today amid reports
of threats to its World Heritage values from uranium mine waste water.
Kakadu has achieved worldwide recognition for its environmen
Graham,
How sporting of you. Your website has several good articles on the
process of Reconciliation I notice. The article from Ian Viner QC
on the Northern Territory's new land laws is particularly interesting to
me. The new Burke government's laws
Oh dear,
They've succeeded. "We're going to advance, send reinforcements" has become
"We're going to a dance, send three and fourpence..."
Having to re-invent the wheel is such a boring foci when so much is in need of
energy.
I've lost count of the number of times I've read "race" in missiv
Dear Karen,
If you are not guilty of any of the suspicions that has been cast your
way -you don't have to be so defensive.
By your own words you have incriminated yourself. Please do not waste our
time and energy anymore.
Judi
- Original Message -
From: Karen Crook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Karen,
Why is it that when even a straightforward question is asked you can't
manage to answer it without going into a stream of paranoia and
self-justification?
Your'e right, we don't know you and we never will if you answer
everything by going off the topic and acting persecuted.
You wanted to
Karen asks how an email can go by without dogging the cops. As an ex-copper,
not of the real kind, merely a military one that worked quite closely with
the Victorian Police I can see quite clearly why there is a genuine distrust
of Police. As a soldier I was trained to differentiate quite clearly
I know a lot of them Karen with my dealings with them on a professional
level and my personal associations with them.
There are many good coppers. But many of them are corrupt, racist, and
stand-over men (and women) who should have no part in any service that
upholds the law. Many are also crim
Thank you Nvda for your letter to the Prime Minister, and to Jim for
passing the request on to you. All the support you can give is
appreciated. I think his office was bombarded with e-mails yesterday.
If people on the Recoznet2 list do send letters to the PM please also
send a copy to the Co
I would like to know what my attitude to Aboriginal Australians actually is
too?
Considering I have friends from different races, including a number of
Aboriginals and Torres Strait Islanders, I thought it was one of friendship
and laughter.
But now everyone questions me (someone they don't know)
>Additionally, we should ask Karen to stop getting so defensive and start
>really thinking about the points that are being raised, and addressing
>arguments point by point. If she wants to debate issues, then debate
>them,don't reframe the debate each time it gets too hard.
You mean like you are
For your peace of mind, I belong to no political party and am certainly not
a plant for anybody.
Yes, I had e-mails on the site because I replied to some questions posted to
me. If I hadn't I would have been judged even more so. Damned if do, damned
if don't..
As for the suggestion I am a'pla
I turned the table because so often it gets pointed my way and I wanted to
finally know what you guys were thinking.
Trudy, I wasn't actually directing it at you personally - I was using what
you said and highlighting a pattern I have noticed. Hardly an e-mail goes by
without someone dogging the c
I don't wish to drag this out, Trudy , but I did not ask for Graham's
political affiliations.
I asked if he was employed by the Liberal Party or another group with an
interest in the outcome of political events, particularly Indigenous issues.
I see a difference between being a member or suppor
Karen,
No doubt you are aware that many people find you disruptive to the list
and your attitude to Aboriginal Australians upsetting.
Whether you think this is justified or not doesn't really come into it
because this is how it is.
You have told us how you came across this site and decided to st
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