Re: Neutron or X-ray?

2008-03-10 Thread Lubomir Smrcok
On Sun, 9 Mar 2008, Alan Hewat wrote: Precision of CW neutron machines is frequently not so high as X-ray diffractometers, but this problem is masked in Rietveld by extremely (artficialy) low e.s.d.'s of lattice parameters. Hmm?? With CW neutron machines, the wavelength is sometimes not well

Re: Neutron or X-ray?

2008-03-09 Thread Vincent Favre-Nicolin
Hi, To what has already been said I think the two round-robin articles are a must-read about this issue, as they compare refinement of neutron and X-ray data for a given (simple) compound. They are a bit old, especially by today's synchrotron standards, but are still very interesting

Re: Neutron or X-ray?

2008-03-09 Thread Alan Hewat
o with the accuracy with which the atom coordinates are determined. Of course, if you can collect both neutron and x-ray data, especially synchrotron data, on similar samples at the same temperature, you may improve accuracy by performing a combined refinement, but that is often not possible. And again

RE: Neutron or X-ray?

2008-03-09 Thread Peter Y. Zavalij
xray/ From: Davide Levy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 5:53 AM To: rietveld_l@ill.fr Subject: Neutron or X-ray? Dear All, I have a ”philosophic” question for you: the structure obtained by NPD are better than the ones found by XRPD? I explain a little bit mor

Re: Neutron or X-ray?

2008-03-09 Thread Jonathan Wright
Davide, Did you check for extinction and preferred orientation? Otherwise what does a combined fit give? The difference of about 10 sigma suggests a remaining systematic error. What is the impact of refining anisotropically? Good luck, Jon Davide Levy wrote: Dear All, I have a ”philosoph

Re: Neutron or X-ray?

2008-03-09 Thread Lubomir Smrcok
Hello, do not mind statistical precision (your error at the oxygen coordinate) and look at the errors (e.s.d.) of the interatomic distances, especially of those between bonded atoms. Precision of CW neutron machines is frequently not so high as X-ray diffractometers, but this problem is masked

Re: Neutron or X-ray?

2008-03-09 Thread Alan Hewat
The advantage of neutron powder diffraction is that the scattering power of light atoms like oxygen is as great as for heavy atoms; for X-rays, the heavy atoms dominate, so errors for the light atoms will be greater. A second advantage is that with neutrons you have a larger sample, so a better pow

Neutron or X-ray?

2008-03-09 Thread Davide Levy
Dear All, I have a ”philosophic” question for you: the structure obtained by NPD are better than the ones found by XRPD? I explain a little bit more my question, I studied a MgAlFeO4 spinel both by NDP and XRPD from RT to 1000°C. The O coordinate it is different for two data set (0.2581 vs.0.25