Re: [sage-devel] What version of Fortran is needed ?

2010-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > Does anyone know what version of the Fortran standard is needed to build > Sage? Is Fortran 77 too old? How about Fortran 90 ? Do we need Fortran 95 ? I'm pretty sure Fortran 77 is too old. We shipped g95 (=Fortran 95) with Linux so that

Re: [sage-devel] Build failed sage-4.3.1

2010-01-22 Thread Erik Lane
> 'binutils' is not a program, but a collection of programs from GNU, which > happens to include ranlib, ar, ld and others. > > Yes, but I was suggesting the change because of issues I had trying to install ranlib. I attempted it and was told that apt-get couldn't find it. I then did some searching

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread Dima Pasechnik
William, On Jan 23, 3:37 am, William Stein wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Jaap Spies wrote: > > William Stein wrote: > > >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dima Pasechnik  wrote: > > >>> Robert, > >>> the advantage is that it will simplify the *development* of Sage. > >>> Right

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Martin Albrecht wrote: It looks like there are plenty of patches to singular: spkg-install contains patch() { # work-around patches cp patches/mminit.cc src/kernel/ cp patches/assert.h src/factory/ cp patches/kernel.rmodulon.cc src/kernel/rmodulon.cc cp patches/src.Sin

Re: Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread Martin Albrecht
CC to [libsingular-devel] to make the Singular development team (which has been incredibly helpful and supportive in the past!) aware of this discussion. > >> I so wish you were right!The programs you refer to like Singular > >> are very simple and tiny compared to Sage. If things were so ea

Re: [sage-devel] Build failed sage-4.3.1

2010-01-22 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Erik Lane wrote: Post it where? Here to the list? Should I assume that what holds true for Ubuntu is more general, or just make notes in the text that let people know that on Ubuntu that's the way it is? (Because that's all I have available to me.) I looked into it, and looks

[sage-devel] Simons Foundation

2010-01-22 Thread kcrisman
The following article in the Notices sounds quite intriguing, particularly in terms of innovative ways to support basic research in math. I'm sure that Eisenbud et al. will be inundated with requests, but if AIM and Clay like Sage as a cost-effective use of funds for promoting cutting-edge researc

[sage-devel] What version of Fortran is needed ?

2010-01-22 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Does anyone know what version of the Fortran standard is needed to build Sage? Is Fortran 77 too old? How about Fortran 90 ? Do we need Fortran 95 ? dave -- To post to this group, send an email to sage-devel@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to sage-devel+unsubscr

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is needed to build Sage ?

2010-01-22 Thread Mike Hansen
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:45 PM, Peter Jeremy wrote: > The other current prerequisite is a full C99 libm (including the long > double and complex functions).  This is my current sticking point on > FreeBSD (and will probably affect building on older Solaris).  One > workaround would be to embed gl

[sage-devel] Re: dream machine ideas

2010-01-22 Thread Simon King
Hi Tom! On 22 Jan., 23:49, Tom Boothby wrote: > On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Simon King wrote: > > Actually, for some applications, sage.math isn't the fastest. > > Excellent points!  I'm definitely in favor of adding a few larger hard > drives to the machines, because I really hate our curr

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is needed to build Sage ?

2010-01-22 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Peter Jeremy wrote: Why is Gnu tar needed? I realise that the Solaris tar is broken but I've seen no problems with bsdtar? Maybe the tar test needs to be a functionality test, rather than a version test. I'm not so convinced the Sun tar is broken. Look for some comments by Joerg Schilly abou

Re: [sage-devel] Re: dream machine ideas

2010-01-22 Thread Tom Boothby
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Simon King wrote: > Would it be possible to have a faster disk system in *general* (i.e., > in the /home part)? > I don't know, I am no hardware expert, perhaps NFS==slow. > But that would be a nice thing to have. > > Actually, for some applications, sage.math isn'

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is needed to build Sage ?

2010-01-22 Thread François Bissey
On Sat, 23 Jan 2010 10:45:55 Peter Jeremy wrote: > > > >make[4]: Entering directory > >`/export/home/drkirkby/sage-4.2/spkg/build/singular-3-1-0-4-20090818.p1/sr > >c/factory' WARNING: You need to rerun autoconf. I am proceeding, for

[sage-devel] Re: dream machine ideas

2010-01-22 Thread Simon King
Hi! On 22 Jan., 22:02, Andrey Novoseltsev wrote: > Also, it seems that there are regular "fast disk" problems - is it > possible to get analogs of sage.math /scratch on all machines? Would it be possible to have a faster disk system in *general* (i.e., in the /home part)? I don't know, I am no h

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is needed to build Sage ?

2010-01-22 Thread Peter Jeremy
Why is Gnu tar needed? I realise that the Solaris tar is broken but I've seen no problems with bsdtar? Maybe the tar test needs to be a functionality test, rather than a version test. On 2010-Jan-22 17:01:50 +, "Dr. David Kirkby" wrote: >1) I get problems builing two python modules, and d

[sage-devel] Re: dream machine ideas

2010-01-22 Thread Andrey Novoseltsev
I also think that it would be nice to get the same machines - it is convenient to be able to switch to another machine when another has problems or is heavily loaded. Also, it seems that there are regular "fast disk" problems - is it possible to get analogs of sage.math /scratch on all machines?

[sage-devel] Re: dream machine ideas

2010-01-22 Thread mhampton
I am not familiar with such high-end hardware but I think it would be great to have 2 more sunfire 4450s. I have used sage and geom for research computations, and they are often quite heavily loaded. -Marshall On Jan 22, 1:52 pm, William Stein wrote: > Hi, > > We are considering purchasing a ne

[sage-devel] dream machine ideas

2010-01-22 Thread William Stein
Hi, We are considering purchasing a new computer for the sage.math cluster, which will act partly as a Sage notebook server.The budget is about $20-30K (!). If you're a hardware lover, and have been looking at what one could get for that much money (tons of RAM? cores?) these days, let me kn

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
Dag Sverre Seljebotn wrote: William Stein wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Jaap Spies wrote: William Stein wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: Robert, the advantage is that it will simplify the *development* of Sage. Right now lots of stoppers seem to come

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread Dag Sverre Seljebotn
William Stein wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Jaap Spies wrote: William Stein wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: Robert, the advantage is that it will simplify the *development* of Sage. Right now lots of stoppers seem to come from upstream packages. I a

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Jaap Spies wrote: > William Stein wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dima Pasechnik  wrote: >>> >>> Robert, >>> the advantage is that it will simplify the *development* of Sage. >>> Right now  lots of stoppers seem to come from upstream packages. >>> >>

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 10:37 AM, Jaap Spies wrote: > William Stein wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dima Pasechnik  wrote: >>> >>> Robert, >>> the advantage is that it will simplify the *development* of Sage. >>> Right now  lots of stoppers seem to come from upstream packages. >>> >>

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread Jaap Spies
Dr. David Kirkby wrote: Jaap Spies wrote: William Stein wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: Robert, the advantage is that it will simplify the *development* of Sage. Right now lots of stoppers seem to come from upstream packages. I also do not see a real problem with

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Jaap Spies wrote: William Stein wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: Robert, the advantage is that it will simplify the *development* of Sage. Right now lots of stoppers seem to come from upstream packages. I also do not see a real problem with "specific versions" o

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread Jaap Spies
William Stein wrote: On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: Robert, the advantage is that it will simplify the *development* of Sage. Right now lots of stoppers seem to come from upstream packages. I also do not see a real problem with "specific versions" of packages. Somehow

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 9:31 AM, Dima Pasechnik wrote: > Robert, > the advantage is that it will simplify the *development* of Sage. > Right now  lots of stoppers seem to come from upstream packages. > > I also do not see a  real problem with "specific versions" of > packages. Somehow, > all the o

[sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread Dima Pasechnik
Robert, the advantage is that it will simplify the *development* of Sage. Right now lots of stoppers seem to come from upstream packages. I also do not see a real problem with "specific versions" of packages. Somehow, all the other open-source math projects seem to be able to manage this well, e

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
William Stein wrote: But tell me what perl modules are needed. If 1) There is some agreeemnt to exit if they do not exist AND 2) There is some reasonably simple way of checking for them, IIRC, the only place perl is used in all of Sage is for the PARI and NTL build systems. I don't know what

Re: [sage-devel] Re: What is needed to build Sage ?

2010-01-22 Thread Dr. David Kirkby
Andrey Novoseltsev wrote: I think it would be nice also to have a list (or lists) of stuff necessary to build documentation and have no problems in the notebook. Yes, agreed. Also see list below, about R documentation. Latex should be present for documentation - what package exactly should be

[sage-devel] overlapping edges in images produced by show() for posets

2010-01-22 Thread Minh Nguyen
Hi folks, I received the following bug report via IRC: 07:54 < quimey> I am using the poset class 07:55 < quimey> there is a method, for a poset P, in order to see the poset you can execute P.show 07:55 < quimey> That shows a graph describing the poset 07:56 < quimey> in some case

[sage-devel] Re: What is needed to build Sage ?

2010-01-22 Thread Andrey Novoseltsev
I think it would be nice also to have a list (or lists) of stuff necessary to build documentation and have no problems in the notebook. Latex should be present for documentation - what package exactly should be installed on Ubuntu? It is also necessary to install Java for using Jmol, fonts for nor

[sage-devel] Re: hide all code

2010-01-22 Thread Pablo Angulo
> Put %hide at the beginning of a cell. I think that putting %hideall > at the top of the worksheet will hide all of them, but I am not 100% > sure about that (click "Help" on the upper right of any worksheet and > the page should explain this, though). %hideall doesn't work, and I couldn't find

Re: [sage-devel] What is needed to build Sage ?

2010-01-22 Thread William Stein
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 11:40 PM, Dr. David Kirkby wrote: > I'm going to update the 'prereq' script to add a test for a Fortran > compiler. I would like to know what we need. > > This is what is a quick summary of what is currently tested in 'prereq'. Is > there anything else which should be added

[sage-devel] Re: hide all code

2010-01-22 Thread kcrisman
On Jan 22, 4:24 am, Pablo Angulo wrote: >   Hello! >   Upon looking at the new graph editor, I'm even more interested in a > feature we could call "hide all code". Have you considered this > possibility before? In fact, I used this in both demonstrations I gave at the Joint Math Meetings, for p

Re: [sage-devel] Re: sage-4.3.1.rc0 released!

2010-01-22 Thread Peter Jeremy
On 2010-Jan-22 02:09:05 -0200, Gonzalo Tornaria wrote: >If it could be done with gfortran, it can be done with other >dependencies. Well, gfortran was included for some targets only. Having to include gfortran (and support libraries) for all supported targets would definitely and unnecessarily

[sage-devel] hide all code

2010-01-22 Thread Pablo Angulo
Hello! Upon looking at the new graph editor, I'm even more interested in a feature we could call "hide all code". Have you considered this possibility before? Use case is: a standard course not dedicated to SAGE, the teacher does not want to show the code, the students don't have programming

[sage-devel] Re: graph editor -- devel doc

2010-01-22 Thread Rado
Alright, I wrote up how the graph_editor works. You can find the README.txt in the Trac ticket. Hopefully, I used hg properly. One final note is that dragging vertices too far (not only out of the canvas but out of the sage output cell) currently has a bit weird behavior. I had a solution for that