RE: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-24 Thread Tom Flanagan
Context Arnie, context TFlan From: arniescl...@aol.com Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 22:45:40 -0400 Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com In a message dated 3/23/2010 6:17:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, tflans...@hotmail.com writes: Getting the lie angle "p

ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-24 Thread Harry F. Schiestel
t...@mail.msen.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Tunnicliffe Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2010 3:25 AM To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie This is interesting, I have only used lie boards, and have found for myself and others that we are not consistent enough to notice the

RE: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-24 Thread Bruce Tunnicliffe
This is interesting, I have only used lie boards, and have found for myself and others that we are not consistent enough to notice the effect of small lie variations when playing golf. The vertical mark left on the clubface is dependent on several things: 1. Positioning of the ball (as Dave T sai

Re: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread Arniesclubs
In a message dated 3/23/2010 6:17:03 PM Pacific Standard Time, tflans...@hotmail.com writes: > Getting the lie angle "pretty close" is, for practical purposes, close > enough. > Most OEM's would agree. :>) As would the custom builders that go by catalogue specifications.

RE: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread Tom Flanagan
Some of you long-timers here will recall that several years ago I proposed the argument that since there's never a level lie on a golf course, adjusting lie angles to the nth degree is a waste of time. As long as it's pretty close it should be "close enough". Suppose you have a side hill l

RE: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread Dave Tutelman
Great post, Tom. I'd like to add a few comments of my own... At 03:25 PM 3/23/2010, Tom Wishon wrote: Up until I got about 10 yrs of golf club design and R&D under my belt, I too used to stew and worry over the small things I would measure and notice in my work. But as I did more R&D and mo

Re: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread jhm
Arnie: You know that will never happen! I found a pretty nifty looking mat/lie board combination that might also work for what I'm looking at doing at a small driving range. It's pricey but would work for an outdoor situation (they might not be too happy if I Sharpie their range balls). John

Re: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread Arniesclubs
Relative to What Tflan has said I used a lie board that was made by TopFlite - 1/4 " thick with ridges from back to front. The board was mounted at the level equal to the top of the mat that the golfer was standing on. Thus there was no difference in the height. No tape was needed on the sole -

RE: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread Tom Wishon
shopt...@mail.msen.com] On Behalf Of Don M Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 12:21 PM To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie It's possible there is some truth to it. Henry-Griffitts Co. published a method of interpretation of lie board results that is more involved tha

Re: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread Don M
, but also from leading edge to rear edge, and the shape of it.   -Don M --- On Tue, 3/23/10, j...@clubmaker-online.com wrote: From: j...@clubmaker-online.com Subject: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie To: shoptalk@mail.msen.com Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 10:37 AM I saw this post at an online

RE: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread Tom Flanagan
I guess I've been using a lie board for over 25 years. I still have my second one. The first wore out. There's at least one problem with the accuracy of the lie board. Mine is one of those black plastic ones, about 1/4" thick. The problem is the thickness. I try to use the lie board on a hittin

Re: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread Jeremy Ingle
Should the sharpie be non permanent or will a permanent marker work Jeremy On Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 11:42 AM, Roy Nix wrote: > John > I prefer to put a stripe on a ball with a sharpie and sit the ball down > with the stripe facing the club face at impact and pointing straight up or > perpendicul

RE: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread Tom Wishon
ot to account for shaft droop. TOM -Original Message- From: owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com [mailto:owner-shopt...@mail.msen.com] On Behalf Of j...@clubmaker-online.com Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 10:30 AM To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie Thanks for the

Re: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread jhm
Thanks Roy. I'll give this a try. I hated using a lie board. I had one of those old Dynacraft black plastic lie boards and put one of my patented ugly swings on it and smashed the board to smithereens. You may have guessed that with a swing like that, a correct lie isn't my number one concern.

RE: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread jhm
On Behalf Of j...@clubmaker-online.com Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2010 9:38 AM To: shoptalk@mail.msen.com Subject: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie I saw this post at an online forum and wonder if there is a new method I've missed out on (besides a lie board) to get a lie reading? I don't mean to get

Re: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread Roy Nix
John I prefer to put a stripe on a ball with a sharpie and sit the ball down with the stripe facing the club face at impact and pointing straight up or perpendicular to the ground or sole at impact. Hit the shot then look at the transfer on the face to see if it is straight up and down or not.

RE: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread Tom Wishon
March 23, 2010 9:38 AM To: shoptalk@mail.msen.com Subject: ShopTalk: Measuring Lie I saw this post at an online forum and wonder if there is a new method I've missed out on (besides a lie board) to get a lie reading? I don't mean to get off topic, but a loft/ lie board does not work

ShopTalk: Measuring Lie

2010-03-23 Thread jhm
I saw this post at an online forum and wonder if there is a new method I've missed out on (besides a lie board) to get a lie reading? I don't mean to get off topic, but a loft/ lie board does not work accurately. To get a true lie reading, you have to get the reading at contact. The lie boards