In a message dated 8/30/2002 2:18:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Case in point this morning...
I play Hominy Hill all the time. Robert Trent Jones Sr course, fairly long
and well-bunkered. My index is [was, don't know yet what this will do to it]
15.5, and course handica
ter start playing for fun, huh?
TFlan
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From: "Dave Tutelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Sandbagger's Open, DuPont
> - Original Message -
> From: tfl
Congratulations Dave! That's why we all keep playing this game. When things
are going right there's just nothing like it.
Kevin
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for a 78 (my first time under 80
since I was twenty years old). That's a net 61.
Completely honest.
And I'm entering the score, so there goe
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From: tflan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, August 30, 2002 12:21 PM
> ...Flights played at gross? O.K. with me, but how do you
> determine flights? You must have a history of scoring for each player. In
a
> perfect world everyone would tie for first in each flight
etimes
not. Either way, its enjoyable playing with scratch to 18 handicappers who
actually play to what their handicaps indicate they should score.
TFlan
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From: "Dave Tutelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002
[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tflan
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 7:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Sandbagger's Open, DuPont
Only one problem. How do you post scores?
TFlan
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From: "Royce Engler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EM
Sounds like the type of golf I play with one of my regular playing partners
as well as whoever else joins up with us.
Don't play any fancy games yet, but we always play eagles are $5, birdies
are $1 and on straight driving holes longest drive (using a driver!) in the
fairway for $1. On par 3s we
e most enjoyable to me, whether you're
trying to beat someone, or trying to keep from being beaten.
Bernie
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From: "Dave Tutelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002
And you still won't let me play.
Al
At 05:23 PM 8/29/2002, you wrote:
When I carried a 7 HCP we used to
tell other guys that played with us, "If You Need More Than 2
Strokes, Hit The Range".
RK
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When I carried a 7 HCP we used to tell other guys that played with
us, "If You Need More Than 2 Strokes, Hit The Range".
RK
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>From: "Jonathan LaChance" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: "'Shoptalk (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:53 AM
>Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Sandbagger's Open, DuPont
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Followup to the note I just sent, where I distinguished between golf as a
sport and golf as a medium for gambling, and suggested that handicaps are
much more essential if gambling is the goal.
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From: tflan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:47 PM
>
--- tflan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Some folks simply cannot "PLAY BETTER," no matter how loudly you shout.
Make your next tourney at your club a gross, no net, and see how many
signups you get.
That's why flights is the best way to attack the problem. Note I did NOT
say solve the problem.
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From: tflan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 3:47 PM
> BTW: If there are any believers out there that what's fair is to play golf
> against other golfers without handicap, and you're a really shitty player,
> let me know, We'll play even up for hou
se, house, car ;-)
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From: "Jonathan LaChance" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'Shoptalk (E-mail)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 10:53 AM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Sandbagger's Open, DuPont
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> PLAY BETTE
an [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 11:21 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Sandbagger's Open, DuPont
Hi;
That's an interesting take on handicapping but how can it be fair to those
of lesser ability? The answer is pretty obvious to me. If everyo
agging is the worst, but only one, of the reasons for
this.
JMHO,
DaveT
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From: tflan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, August 29, 2002 12:20 PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Sandbagger's Open, DuPont
> Hi;
>
> That's an
, ladies,
mixed leagues, and so on. If there were no "seeding" in competitions how
could persons of lesser ability compete?
TFlan
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From: "Harry F. Schiestel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:20
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Sent: August 27, 2002 10:20 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Agreed, but you wouldn't have those ripping their handicaps in shreds for
bucks. I
agree, it could also could penalize someone who i
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Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 9:55 AM
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> --- tflan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > All in all though, the tournament was a success. We had new winners and
for
> >
Only one problem. How do you post scores?
TFlan
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From: "Royce Engler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 10:15 AM
Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Sandbagger's Open, DuPont
> I often play with a com
ots of fun.
Royce Engler
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Wednesday, August 28, 2002 11:08 AM
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Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Sandbagger's Open, DuPont
This paragraph is fascinating. I mean no disrespect in t
--- tflan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> All in all though, the tournament was a success. We had new winners and for
> the most part, happy golfers. This format won't stop baggers but it does
> stop guys from posting 7's and 8's when their partner's in with a lower
> number.
You mentioned this last
This paragraph is fascinating. I mean no disrespect in this response so
don't get bent out of shape over it.
We have at our club a couple of "big" tournaments. Two day affairs,
partner's better ball. Mostly, the same 6 - 8 guys have won the "big money."
So, what we did this year was to play the s
Agreed, but you wouldn't have those ripping their handicaps in shreds for bucks. I
agree, it could also could penalize someone who is improving very quickly and shoots
the round of their life.
I have no recourse for this. The only comment I could make is I hope you feel like I
do and that it does
On Tue, Aug 27, 2002 at 08:48:43PM -0400, Mark A. Patton wrote:
> I was reading this thread and remembered TFlan had some methods to address. Then
> I started thinking of other sports that have "handicaps" and how they deal with
> this. After a while, I remembers my teens and drag racing. For thos
; > more than twenty years. What's the odds that he hasn't improved?
> >
> > Cub
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Richard Kennedy
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:38 AM
> > Subjec
with a
miserable, rotten, nogood, cheatin' sumbitch on the course or off, shun the
bastard.
TFlan
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From: "David Rees" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:06 PM
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etween a 23 and 24 handicap for
> more than twenty years. What's the odds that he hasn't improved?
>
> Cub
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> From: Richard Kennedy
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:38 AM
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a ridiculous number to win.
Cheers!
DaveT
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From: Steve "Cub" Culbreth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 7:07 PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Sandbagger's Open, DuPont
RK,
That's why I changed our ru
I thrashed him!! One of the guys has moved between a 23 and 24
handicap for more than twenty years. What's the odds that he hasn't
improved?
Cub
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From:
Richard Kennedy
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, August 27, 2002 5:38
AM
Subjec
Well the Sandbagger's Open, other wise known as the "DuPont World
Amateur Handicap Tournament" is in town with the "Best" of the
sandbagger's in the world. The low net round in the last men's
flight, #47 is a "59" that's 13 under on a course that supposed
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