I think it would be a great idea if we had an alternate achievement program, a second version of LSF, sort of like ESPN-2. It could start off with easy stuff like vertical foamy precision bouncing, and work its way up to level four (sailplane luge) and level five (nude dynamic soaring with a Skeeter). Of course there is already the League of Stupid Flight, of which I am the founder and one of the highest achievers. (Just today I killed my car battery while flying by leaving the headlights on all afternoon.) So maybe the new group ought to be LSF-2.5 or LSF-2000. The only problem I can see is that, like ESPN-2, people might not take it seriously. (I am LSF II and plan to be there a while which is OK with me.) _________________ | Tom Nagel new email addr /O\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ------------------------------(___)------------------------------ RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]