I have a friend who swears by it (and any other Kyosho he's tried: their choppers, gliders, et cetera), and he certainly flies his stock! But if you mount one of AstroBob's brushless 05s in it (there is a special version), you'll have a rocket! Tord, Sweden -- If reply difficulties - use [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tord S. Eriksson, Ovralidsg.25:5, S-422 47 Hisings Backa, Sweden RCSE-List facilities provided by Model Airplane News. Send "subscribe" and "unsubscribe" requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED]