Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-02-02 Thread Duane Gearhart
Hey Martijn, Apologies for my delay getting back to you. As suggested - I added a link on the destination page [1] For this location [2] the interchange information would look like this: destination=West Valley destination:ref=UT 201 West destination:street=1300 South;2100 South as updated here

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Marc Zoutendijk
> Op 23 jan. 2017, om 10:42 heeft Colin Smale het > volgende geschreven: > > It's a complete waste of time to have yet another debate about the pro's and > con's of semicolons vs suffixes and all the other possibilities, without > having some kind of mechanism in place, and the will, to actua

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-01-23 09:53, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> On 22 Jan 2017, at 22:18, Colin Smale wrote: >> >> Consumers who are not ready to handle multiple values in their data models >> can stop reading after the first value > > consumers unaware of multiple values in the same

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22 Jan 2017, at 22:18, Colin Smale wrote: > > Consumers who are not ready to handle multiple values in their data models > can stop reading after the first value consumers unaware of multiple values in the same field will see all those multiple values together as jus

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 8:41 PM, yo paseopor wrote: >> I would expect that each value for destination only occurs a small >> number of times, especially when there are multiple destinations. Why >> would a certain combination of destinations occurs more than a handful >> of times ? Hence, you wil

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread Johan C
2017-01-22 22:32 GMT+01:00 yo paseopor : > I need help. How to tag a roundabout destination traffic sign > https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/6bMYhgICHVBL_H70ZnyPAg ? With > correspondence it is easy (for me), but I don't know how to do it with > multiple values. > > Please check it out (in JOSM for

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread yo paseopor
I need help. How to tag a roundabout destination traffic sign https://www.mapillary.com/map/im/6bMYhgICHVBL_H70ZnyPAg ? With correspondence it is easy (for me), but I don't know how to do it with multiple values. Also I hope OSM people will advise strongly Finnish people as they are using suffixed

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 2017-01-22 21:51, Hakuch wrote: > On 22.01.2017 21:20, yo paseopor wrote: > >> As you can see order is not random. In Catalonia is the same. How do you >> make correspondence with the order. > > But I agree, when there is really a important sense in order of the > values, putting them in a m

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread Hakuch
On 22.01.2017 21:20, yo paseopor wrote: > As you can see order is not random. In Catalonia is the same. How do you > make correspondence with the order. But I agree, when there is really a important sense in order of the values, putting them in a multiple value could be wrong ___

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread Hakuch
On 22.01.2017 21:20, yo paseopor wrote: >> >> Following this, you could try to find semantic weight for the different >> destinations and discuss/use them. But when there is none (what I >> assume), > > Spanish ministery responsible of the roads did not think that > > http://www.fomento.es/NR/rdo

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread yo paseopor
> > Following this, you could try to find semantic weight for the different > destinations and discuss/use them. But when there is none (what I > assume), Spanish ministery responsible of the roads did not think that http://www.fomento.es/NR/rdonlyres/FC57DE0A-72BF-408F- 810E-467894BA8E38/110896/

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread Hakuch
On 22.01.2017 20:41, yo paseopor wrote: > So you say each value...(are we talking about multiple values or values > with semicolon?). What are the most used values: unique or multiple? Why > don't we use multiple values more often? Like I said in my other post, the wiki is not very clear here, but

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread Hakuch
On 22.01.2017 11:09, yo paseopor wrote: > It's true, but OSM wiki, the tool people like me who tries to learn how to > do something uses says that: > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Semi-colon_value_separator#When_NOT_to_use > . > Change the wiki please if it is not. The wiki is correct at thi

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread yo paseopor
> I would expect that each value for destination only occurs a small > number of times, especially when there are multiple destinations. Why > would a certain combination of destinations occurs more than a handful > of times ? Hence, you will not find them in the top values on taginfo. > So you s

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread Marc Gemis
On Sun, Jan 22, 2017 at 11:09 AM, yo paseopor wrote: > And if you search top100 list there are only 12 values with semicolon , 2 > with comma . All these values together are only 1792 tagged values...from > 71665 total values. I would expect that each value for destination only occurs a small num

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread yo paseopor
It's not about tastes or individual habilty . It's about " the aim of *keeping it simple* both for data *contributors* (mappers) and data *users" * Semicolon works? I don't have any doubt of it but not in ALL the apps and services as subtags don't do in others...but could be implemented. Is not av

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 8:21 AM, yo paseopor wrote: > Other solution > destination=Main Street > destination:2=7th Avenue > destination:3=Downtown Mappersville > destination:4=Karte County Courthouse > ... and so on. > Is this actually being used by anyone? Semicolons have seperated multiple va

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread Johan C
I don't like your idea yopaseopor. Why: 1. It's not forbidden to use a semicolon: 'But there are cases where semicolons work and, anyway, we can’t completely avoid them. Let’s work on defining our data model better and make it clearer where those semicolons can and should be used and how they are

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-22 Thread yo paseopor
It's true, but OSM wiki, the tool people like me who tries to learn how to do something uses says that: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Semi-colon_value_separator#When_NOT_to_use . Change the wiki please if it is not. Wiki explains "In general *avoid ';' separated values whenever possible*. D

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-21 Thread Marc Gemis
tools such as http://osm.mueschelsoft.de/cgi-bin/render.pl support the semi-column notation, not the number notation. I assume most destination signs in Germany and neighbouring countries are using the semi-column notation. On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 11:00 PM, yo paseopor wrote: > With destination

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-21 Thread yo paseopor
With destination:x you mark in a easy way the correspondence with other tags.Destination:2 goes with distance:2 and with destination:symbol:2 for example. It is an easy way to see the correspondence. For people like me (we have less idea to program something like a preset or a style in JOSM, for ex

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-21 Thread Marc Gemis
Why is destination:X better than a list with semi-colons ? I think that semi-colons in the destination tags are already to wide-spread to be stopped. Data consumers like OsmAnd have no problem with the semi-colons. m On Sat, Jan 21, 2017 at 3:21 PM, yo paseopor wrote: > Other solution > destina

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-21 Thread yo paseopor
Other solution destination=Main Street destination:2=7th Avenue destination:3=Downtown Mappersville destination:4=Karte County Courthouse ... and so on. (for legible reasons a "standard" traffic sign does not show more than 3/4 items by direction at sign). also this will be "portable" to other cou

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Jan 20, 2017 at 2:13 PM, yo paseopor wrote: > Little apreciation: > Please, no multiple values,no semicolon.Better subtags > That doesn't always work. Fictional example, but one that does come up routinely, particularly around small to moderate sized towns and rural America (imagine a b

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-20 Thread yo paseopor
Little apreciation: Please, no multiple values,no semicolon.Better subtags yopaseopor ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi Duane, Thanks. I had overlooked the examples page (even though I searched the OSM wiki for the exact term!) I do appreciate the granularity of the destination:street tagging and would encourage the Telenav mappers to use it as well then, but we like to stick to conventions that are properly

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
In the US the prefix would typically be in the network tag, like network=US:US ref=89 for US highway 89, etc. We have seen some of this in Canada as well. (CA:ON for Ontario highways etc.) Martijn van Exel > On Jan 20, 2017, at 12:57 AM, Paul Norman wrote: > > On 1/19/2017 5:00 PM, Martijn van

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] destination:street

2017-01-20 Thread Paul Norman
On 1/19/2017 5:00 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Looking at a random one, http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/34154734 / http://openstreetcam.org/details/10767/4194 — I think in the US we would just map this as destination=Carman Road;Iriquois and destination:ref=1 That is how it would be typically