Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Stephen Hope
On 20 September 2010 21:48, Frederik Ramm wrote: > Firstly, what is "behind" the gate differs depending on your location. > Secondly, the way "behind" the gate may well be reachable by other means > (i.e. a detour) - it is easy to imagine a gate where vehicles cannot pass, > but still vehicles are

Re: [OSM-talk] Partnership between OSM and local government?

2010-09-20 Thread Jukka Rahkonen
Aun Yngve Johnsen gimnechiske.org> writes: > You mean, how would the city council benefit apart from the fact they > are participating in a free, powerful routable map with loads of > features? Free worldwide distribution, availability on several types > of equipment. Software to make ever

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] "Natural person" in CT 3

2010-09-20 Thread John Smith
On 21 September 2010 08:42, John Smith wrote: > On 21 September 2010 08:10, Richard Weait wrote: >> CTs are per account. Active Contributors are per person. > > Exactly, you agree to the CTs as a person, which then encompasses all > accounts used, unless the wording of the current CTs is changed

Re: [OSM-talk] Partnership between OSM and local government?

2010-09-20 Thread john whelan
In Canada the federal government works with other levels of government to collect GIS information which is then released to OSM etc. as the CANVEC dataset. Edmonton, Toronto, Ottawa and Vancouver have released some data as open and have a number of apps running based on this data. for example: h

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 09:12:03 -0400 Donald Campbell II wrote: > You mean like in the movie "The God's Must Be Crazy"? :-) No, the dropped glass bottle was not a Coke bottle, but brown beer bottles :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http

Re: [OSM-talk] Partnership between OSM and local government?

2010-09-20 Thread Oliver
On 20.09.2010 21:04, Valent Turkovic wrote: > Hi, > if I would write an NGO project for my hometown (Osijek in Croatia) that > does some specific data collection of some type (like all bus stations, > all cycle tracks, etc). Do I need some special permission from OSM board > to do this? Just fo

Re: [OSM-talk] Partnership between OSM and local government?

2010-09-20 Thread pavithran
On 21 September 2010 01:53, Valent Turkovic wrote: > I really need so spell it out to them what is the advantage for them > locally. To be blunt they probably don't care what we did on Haiti or > other parts of the world, but they would like to know how OSM could be > used locally for our town. Pr

Re: [OSM-talk] Partnership between OSM and local government?

2010-09-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Valent Turkovic wrote: That is why I would like to hear from cities that are between 100,000-500,000 population on what projects have they collaborated on with their city council. [...] City council doesn't care too much about maps of restaurants, and we aren't such big city that we nee

Re: [OSM-talk] Partnership between OSM and local government?

2010-09-20 Thread Aun Yngve Johnsen
Well, the city of Vitoria (state capital of Espirito Santo, Brazil) allowed us to import their local data, giving a detailed map of the city. Now it is up to the community to fill in "the blanks", that is all the data we support that wasn't present in the data we received, or adjust the dat

Re: [OSM-legal-talk] "Natural person" in CT 3

2010-09-20 Thread Ulf Möller
Am 20.09.2010 12:02, schrieb Jukka Rahkonen: Clause 3 in CTs says: " An "active contributor" is defined as: a contributor natural person (whether using a single or multiple accounts) " This aims, I suppose, at giving only one vote for each natural person. How could this be checked? In case s

Re: [OSM-talk] Partnership between OSM and local government?

2010-09-20 Thread Valent Turkovic
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 16:50:09 -0300, Aun Yngve Johnsen wrote: > You mean, how would the city council benefit apart from the fact they > are participating in a free, powerful routable map with loads of > features? Free worldwide distribution, availability on several types of > equipment. Software to

Re: [OSM-talk] Partnership between OSM and local government?

2010-09-20 Thread Aun Yngve Johnsen
You mean, how would the city council benefit apart from the fact they are participating in a free, powerful routable map with loads of features? Free worldwide distribution, availability on several types of equipment. Software to make everything from local restaurant guides, to routable map

[OSM-talk] Partnership between OSM and local government?

2010-09-20 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, if I would write an NGO project for my hometown (Osijek in Croatia) that does some specific data collection of some type (like all bus stations, all cycle tracks, etc). Do I need some special permission from OSM board to do this? Second question that I have is, been there been some joint ve

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/20 Dave F. : >  On 20/09/2010 09:07, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> I prefer asuming that a gate is closed (I tag them with access=private >> in these cases anyway) > > This is a bad assumption to have. Just because a gate is closed, it doesn't > mean your not allowed access. maybe I wasn't

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 20.09.2010 13:20, Dave F. wrote: On 20/09/2010 10:31, Peter Wendorff wrote: Here we come to a great possibility for software to contribute to the OSM data. Wherever possible the software should provide a mechanism to add the data, if needed. How? The original point of this thread was th

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Claudius
Am 20.09.2010 13:48, Frederik Ramm: Hi, Claudius wrote: The point is that tags should only accommodate one piece of information. A gate is a gate, access is something else. Completely true. If a way has restricted access (and that may be physically enforced by the used of a closed gate) I tag

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Nic Roets
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Donald Campbell II wrote: > So if you visit lots of places in ?outback? Australia, you get to open > and close the gates as you go. > The gate should be closed, and you are free to pass, but have to open > the gate, pass the boundary and close the gate again. > > Y

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Robert Kaiser
Richard Fairhurst schrieb: barrier=gate states that there's a gate. The thing about gates, as opposed to (say) walls, is that you can open them to get through. Not quite. It's that _someone_ can open them to get through. That someone does not have to be you, and you might not be able to get t

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Donald Campbell II
Message: 9 Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:33:58 +1000 From: Elizabeth Dodd To: talk@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers Message-ID: <20100920203358.743e0...@mum-quad> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 So if you visit lots of places in ?outback? *Aus

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread sergio sevillano
El 20/09/2010, a las 12:33, Elizabeth Dodd escribió: > On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:21:21 +0100 > "Dave F." wrote: > > The point is that tags should only accommodate one piece of information. > A gate is a gate, access is something else. Defaults cause confusion > and arguments - we should have a sys

[OSM-talk] NaviPOWM 0.2.5 released

2010-09-20 Thread Doru Julian Bugariu
Hi, I released some days ago the new version of NaviPOWM: 0.2.5 It can be found on SourceForge: http://sourceforge.net/projects/navipowm/ New in version 0.2.5: - fixed bugs: - 2964054: speeds and oceantiles should be loaded from OSM2POWM path - 2964466: Operator shown instead of name - 29738

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Claudius wrote: The point is that tags should only accommodate one piece of information. A gate is a gate, access is something else. Completely true. If a way has restricted access (and that may be physically enforced by the used of a closed gate) I tag the access restriction on the way

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Jacek Konieczny
On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 01:21:49PM +0200, Claudius wrote: > Am 20.09.2010 12:33, Elizabeth Dodd: > > The point is that tags should only accommodate one piece of information. > > A gate is a gate, access is something else. > > Completely true. If a way has restricted access (and that may be > phys

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Dave F.
On 20/09/2010 10:31, Peter Wendorff wrote: Here we come to a great possibility for software to contribute to the OSM data. Wherever possible the software should provide a mechanism to add the data, if needed. How? The original point of this thread was that routing software couldn't distingu

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Claudius
Am 20.09.2010 12:33, Elizabeth Dodd: The point is that tags should only accommodate one piece of information. A gate is a gate, access is something else. Completely true. If a way has restricted access (and that may be physically enforced by the used of a closed gate) I tag the access restric

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Mon, 20 Sep 2010 11:21:21 +0100 "Dave F." wrote: > On 20/09/2010 09:07, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > I prefer asuming that a gate is closed (I tag them with > > access=private in these cases anyway) > > This is a bad assumption to have. Just because a gate is closed, it > doesn't mean

Re: [OSM-talk] How to view villages etc., at lesser zoom levels

2010-09-20 Thread pavithran
On 20/09/2010, Tanveer Singh wrote: > Sadly, it does not run properly on linux. Is there some way to make this > happen on openstreetmap web page or something? Hmm its definitely hard to get all the POI's in mapnik . But Osmarender (t...@h) can accommodate new Points of Interest . 1. See that t

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Dave F.
On 20/09/2010 09:07, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I prefer asuming that a gate is closed (I tag them with access=private in these cases anyway) This is a bad assumption to have. Just because a gate is closed, it doesn't mean your not allowed access. barrier=gate means it's a gate & nothing el

Re: [OSM-talk] How to view villages etc., at lesser zoom levels

2010-09-20 Thread Tanveer Singh
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 2:04 PM, Alexandr Zeinalov wrote: > > Is there a way to see all features at lesser zoom. The idea is to print > > out > > a jpg map from OSM which has everything written. > > regards > > Tanveer > > You may use Kosmos or any other OSM renderer with you own rules for this.

Re: [OSM-talk] [syj]: website to share routes

2010-09-20 Thread arno
Le lundi 20 septembre 2010, à 11:24:28 +0200, Niccolo a écrit : > On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 09:01:49PM +0200, arno wrote: > > > > > When you have finished, the button is not called "save", but "create". > > > > That's on purpose. > > Sorry, I was not clear. > > I was meaning that the welcome pop

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Peter Wendorff
On 20.09.2010 10:12, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I prefer asuming that a gate is closed (I tag them with access=private in these cases anyway) or you have to indicate allowed traffic (foot=yes, bicycle=yes, etc.)). Why do we have to have a default? The default should

Re: [OSM-talk] [syj]: website to share routes

2010-09-20 Thread Niccolo Rigacci
On Sun, Sep 19, 2010 at 09:01:49PM +0200, arno wrote: > > > When you have finished, the button is not called "save", but "create". > > That's on purpose. Sorry, I was not clear. I was meaning that the welcome popup says "save" button, where the button is labelled "create" instead. Thank you!

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, M?rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: I prefer asuming that a gate is closed (I tag them with access=private in these cases anyway) or you have to indicate allowed traffic (foot=yes, bicycle=yes, etc.)). Why do we have to have a default? The default should be applied by the software evaluating the da

Re: [OSM-talk] A warning about gates and other barriers

2010-09-20 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/9/20 Steve Bennett : > Personally, I think I prefer the default that access is open to anyone > who could be on both sides. But anyway, could we try and reach > consensus, and then document that? beside simple access-restrictions there are also lots of cases where the gates are open at some