Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

People are confusing labels using the Latin alphabet with labels using the Latin language. On September 25, 2017 8:56:04 AM Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: On 25.09.17 12:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2017-09-25 12:39 GMT+02:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

OSMAND+ already uses a vector-based system to render OSM-data-based maps, and has been doing so for some time. So, the technology already exists. On September 25, 2017 6:22:59 AM Richard Fairhurst wrote: Frederik Ramm wrote: I'd invest the available brainpower in

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing OSM wikipedia redirects

By using Osmose, it would be possible to involve the local communities. People would learn about Wikidata, and might start adding them to other objects as well. They might even start contributing to Wikidata as well. By just running your program, you would only fix a small number of entries and

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing OSM wikipedia redirects

You do have a valid point about getting the local community exposure to Wikidata. But I see no contradiction between that and my proposal, because I think it would be very easy to come up with countless Wikipedia/Wikidata cleanup tasks that require human attention. There is always be plenty of

Re: [Talk-it] Changeset auto-matching.

>Su JOSM con il plugin wikipedia c'è la funzione "fetch wikidata id". >Manualmente basta andare sulla voce wikipedia e cliccare a sinistra su >"elemento wikidata". Grazie a Damjan per la domanda e a Stefano per la risposta, io ho sempre fatto a mano... Grazie! mi sarà molto utile. -- Inviato

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

Since this thread had not received any new discussion in the past 4 days, I assumed all points were answered and proceeded as planned, per mechanical edit policy. Yet, after I have added all the nodes and moved on to relations, I have been blocked by Andy Townsend with the following message. I

[OSM-talk] Fixing OSM wikipedia redirects

At the moment, there are nearly 40,000 OSM objects whose wikipedia tag does not match their wikidata tag. Most of them are Wikipedia redirects, whose target is the right wikipedia article. If we are not ready to abandon wikipedia tags just yet (I don't think we should ATM), I think we should fix

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

On 26.09.17 01:30, John F. Eldredge wrote: People are confusing labels using the Latin alphabet with labels using the Latin language. Certainly, the Latin alphabet is more known as it is used in many modern languages. But the Latin language does exist, and its popularity is growing [1].

Re: [Talk-it] Changeset auto-matching.

>Ciao, >basta vedere cosa fanno e chi c'è dietro Ho visto che era un edit automatico per inserire i wikidata, non sapevo se c'era stata una discussione in merito e mi sarebbe piaciuto sapere dove era stata fatta (per imparare cose nuove) >Sono contributi del mitico Yuri Astrakhan Quando ho

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing OSM wikipedia redirects

According to Martijn (of MapRoulette fame), there is no way a challenge can link to object IDs. MapRoulette can only highlight location. Nor can I provide a proposed fix, which means someone would have to manually find the broken object, navigate to Wikipedia, copy/paste the title, and save the

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

> moving it here. I believe I acted in good faith according to the mechanical > edit policy - discussed with the community, and proceeded. I believe the mechanical edit polity demands that you discuss with the *local* community. That means if your edit modifies items in e.g. Mexico, Belgium and

Re: [Talk-it] Metro Roma

sent from a phone > On 25. Sep 2017, at 15:31, Dino Michelini wrote: > > Diao, alcune stazioni ferroviarie della FL3 tratta Cesano-Roma Ostiense (non > svolge servizio di metropolitana > https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servizi_ferroviari_suburbani_di_Roma#Linea_FL3) >

Re: [OSM-talk] Place Tagging Overview Wiki page

sent from a phone > On 22. Sep 2017, at 17:22, SwiftFast wrote: > > There are many places to tag places. (node, way, admin area, > landuse=residential, etc). This confuses me, and I assume it confuses > many others. We need a comprehensive summary covering all cases. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

And now we're talking about years of work. The original post to this thread already said making multiple versions is technically hard and out of scope. > El 25 sept 2017, a las 07:39, James escribió: > > That's why you could have text rendered via JavaScript and not in

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

Mi ankaŭ proponas ke ni uzos esperanto! :-) 2017-09-25 16:19 GMT+02:00 Andy Townsend : > On 25/09/2017 14:53, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: > >> >> If not Latin, then why English? Why not French? >> >> Well _obviously_ the answer is Esperanto. There are a few Esperanto >

[Talk-it] Changeset auto-matching.

Buongiorno, Ne sapete qualche cosa di questo changeset? http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52343388#map=1/46/11 Scusate per il disturbo. -- Inviato dal mio dispositivo Android con K-9 Mail. Perdonate la brevità. ___ Talk-it mailing list

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

On 25/09/2017 14:53, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: If not Latin, then why English? Why not French? Well _obviously_ the answer is Esperanto.  There are a few Esperanto enthusiasts adding names to OSM (see e.g. https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/name%3Aeo and

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

>Yes, to re-iterate: my question is about things we can do now. Vector >tiles are on the horizon, but are likely to take a year or more from >now. Changing some of the labels is something we could do with one >line of code and roll out tomorrow, if we wanted to. What about the other alternatives?

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

> El 25 sept 2017, a las 10:54, Imre Samu escribió:. > > What about the other alternatives? > > for example: > - just adding ALL (official[1]) dual languages for only Z0-Z8 level, and > keeping the current design for Z9-Z19 > > so there will be (z0-z8) > - local +

Re: [Talk-it] Metro Roma

Diao, alcune stazioni ferroviarie della FL3 tratta Cesano-Roma Ostiense (non svolge servizio di metropolitana https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Servizi_ferroviari_suburbani_di_Roma#Linea_FL3) sono in superficie (Cesano-Olgiata-la Storta-Giustignana-Ottavia-Ipogeo degli Ottavi-S. Filippo Neri-Monte

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

On 25.09.17 16:19, Andy Townsend wrote: On 25/09/2017 14:53, Oleksiy Muzalyev wrote: If not Latin, then why English? Why not French? Well _obviously_ the answer is Esperanto.  There are a few Esperanto enthusiasts adding names to OSM (see e.g.

Re: [Talk-it] Metro Roma

sent from a phone > On 22. Sep 2017, at 01:01, Cascafico Giovanni wrote: > > Sono abbastanza sicuro che "Spagna" e "Monti Tiburtini" non siano su ferrovia > di superficie, ma altri non saprei. confermo, sono stazioni della metro A (S) e B (MT) Ciao, Martin

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

On 25.09.17 12:59, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2017-09-25 12:39 GMT+02:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev >: The Latin language itself has been for centuries the language of science, and it remains the language of scientific

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

I think Latin as default is disrespectful to areas like Japan which might not be able to read Latin letters as they have kana for non-japanese words. It's a bit biased to ask if Latin should be the default on a Latin based list(letters not language).I'm sure there would be a different opinion if

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

For the default map having local names everywhere is a strong statement. The current status is fine (where scripts for the language are supported by the fonts used in rendering). Having transliterated / localized versions should only be an optional, if ressources allow for it. Mixed versions

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

1000 - 7000 extra layers? That's give or take the number of languages in existence... depending on who you ask, but even adding 500 extra layers is not a practical endeavour. 2017-09-25 12:15 GMT+02:00 James : > I think Latin as default is disrespectful to areas like Japan

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

I talked at a conference to a man from UK who, as I understood, participates in the hardware work on the OSM servers. I was told that multiple layers require too much additional work to be handled by volunteers and also additional hardware That it is not feasible with the current state of

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

That's why you could have text rendered via JavaScript and not in the JPG itself On Sep 25, 2017 6:37 AM, "Jo" wrote: > 1000 - 7000 extra layers? That's give or take the number of languages in > existence... depending on who you ask, but even adding 500 extra layers is >

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

2017-09-25 12:37 GMT+02:00 Jo : > 1000 - 7000 extra layers? That's give or take the number of languages in > existence... depending on who you ask, but even adding 500 extra layers is > not a practical endeavour. > maybe there are that many languages in the world, but there

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

Vector based rendering is just around the corner, I keep hearing. 2017-09-25 12:39 GMT+02:00 James : > That's why you could have text rendered via JavaScript and not in the JPG > itself > > On Sep 25, 2017 6:37 AM, "Jo" wrote: > >> 1000 - 7000 extra

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

2017-09-25 12:39 GMT+02:00 Oleksiy Muzalyev : > The Latin language itself has been for centuries the language of science, > and it remains the language of scientific classification. For example, > Isaac Newton wrote his breakthrough books in Latin. > Ancient Greek

Re: [Talk-it] Changeset auto-matching.

Il 25/09/2017 15:44, Andreas Lattmann ha scritto: Buongiorno, Ne sapete qualche cosa di questo changeset? http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/52343388#map=1/46/11 Scusate per il disturbo. Ciao, basta vedere cosa fanno e chi c'è dietro :-) Sono contributi del mitico Yuri Astrakhan che ho

Re: [Talk-it] Changeset auto-matching.

Credo abbiano aggiunto il tag wikidata=yy dove c'era già wikipedia=xx. A proposito di wikidata, qualcuno potrebbe spiegare come/dove si trova il numero wikidata avendo il dato wikipedia=xx? Grazie Damjan -- Original Header --- From : "Alessandro" ale_z...@libero.it To

Re: [Talk-it] Changeset auto-matching.

Il giorno 25 settembre 2017 17:30, Damjan Gerl ha scritto: > Credo abbiano aggiunto il tag wikidata=yy dove c'era già wikipedia=xx. > > A proposito di wikidata, qualcuno potrebbe spiegare come/dove si trova il > numero wikidata avendo il dato wikipedia=xx? > Su JOSM con il

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

W dniu 25.09.2017 o 13:15, Maarten Deen pisze: Of course this is impractical in the UI in the current way of selecting layers (where each layer has its own check box to enable it), I was more thinking in the line of having a dropdown box for all language overlays. No idea if this is currently

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing OSM wikipedia redirects

or via Osmose ? On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:16 AM, Marc Gemis wrote: > what about a Maproulette task ? > > On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:11 AM, Yuri Astrakhan > wrote: >> At the moment, there are nearly 40,000 OSM objects whose wikipedia tag does >> not

Re: [OSM-talk] Fixing OSM wikipedia redirects

what about a Maproulette task ? On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 5:11 AM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: > At the moment, there are nearly 40,000 OSM objects whose wikipedia tag does > not match their wikidata tag. Most of them are Wikipedia redirects, whose > target is the right

Re: [OSM-talk] Adding wikidata tags to the remaining objects with only wikipedia tag

Marc, thanks. I was under the assumption that talk is the global community - as it is the most generic in the list, unlike talk-us and talk-us-newyork. Does it meany that any global proposal would require talking to hundreds of communities independently, making it impossible to coordinate,

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

2017-09-25 9:37 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm : > ideally I > want a map with local names except where I can't read them ;) > > > +1. And ideally I'd want a map that not only shows cities or countries with transliterated names where needed, but everything (especially POIs like

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

On Monday 25 September 2017, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Oh, in case I wasn't clear - what I said above was not with irony; > indeed, for my personal use, I want a map that shows me names I can > read. Which, I assume, everyone does. Yes, of course - we need to clearly differentiate between 'i want

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

On 9/24/2017 11:01 PM, Matthijs Melissen wrote: [...]For example, we have a label 北京市 for Beijing, a label موريتانيا for Mauritania, and a label Magyarország for Hungary. The openstreetmap-carto team quite frequently receives requests to (additionally) display labels in English (or in any case

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

On Monday 25 September 2017, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Also, personally I'm in a similar situation to Maarten. I'm from > Germany and I don't want a map with all German or all English names; > ideally I want a map with local names except where I can't read them > ;) While i understand this view

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

Christoph, On 25.09.2017 10:55, Christoph Hormann wrote: >> Also, personally I'm in a similar situation to Maarten. I'm from >> Germany and I don't want a map with all German or all English names; >> ideally I want a map with local names except where I can't read them >> ;) > > While i

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

On 25-Sep-17 07:49 PM, Christoph Hormann wrote: On Monday 25 September 2017, Frederik Ramm wrote: Oh, in case I wasn't clear - what I said above was not with irony; indeed, for my personal use, I want a map that shows me names I can read. Which, I assume, everyone does. Yes, of course - we

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

Frederik Ramm wrote: > I'd invest the available brainpower in steps needed to achieve > this goal, even if it's a year or two in the future. Which means vector tiles... which we should be looking at anyway. But that needs to be a separate project really, rather than a facet of

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

Of course this is impractical in the UI in the current way of selecting layers (where each layer has its own check box to enable it), I was more thinking in the line of having a dropdown box for all language overlays. No idea if this is currently possible in openlayers. Maarten On

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

On Monday 25 September 2017, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > > I'd invest the available brainpower in steps needed to achieve > > this goal, even if it's a year or two in the future. > > Which means vector tiles... which we should be looking at anyway. > > But that needs to be a separate project

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

On 25 September 2017 at 13:21, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Frederik Ramm wrote: >> I'd invest the available brainpower in steps needed to achieve >> this goal, even if it's a year or two in the future. > > Which means vector tiles... which we should be looking at anyway. > >

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

> > And vice versa: I always wonder how usable a map in Latin alphabet is for > Chinese or Russian speakers. Cannot speak for Chinese, but in Russia, Latin alphabet was taught at the very early age in school. I think that drawing a map with local names in Latin font should not cause too many

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

Hi, On 24.09.2017 23:01, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > From an ideologic viewpoint, I am very much in favour of not giving > preferential treatment to any particular language. Using the local > language seems fair in this respect. On the other hand, from a > pragmatic point of view I can also see

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

my 2 cents: having a 2 layers map, one with local languages rendered, the second with english ones when present as first choice, then local when not Il 25 set 2017 7:14 AM, "Yves" ha scritto: > If the OSMF tile servers were to be used to provide webmaps for a vast > audience,

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

The purpose of the default rendering is to give feedback to mappers. Preferably local mappers, so having the map rendered in local languages shouldn't be a problem. If you want to use OSM data as a tourist use OsmAND or MAPS.ME and set a language of your choice. If other projects need tiles for

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

On 2017-09-24 23:01, Matthijs Melissen wrote: Hi all, I would like to ask for your opinion on the choice of language used in the Default map on openstreetmap.org. This map (based on the openstreetmap-carto style) currently displays all labels in their native language (as defined in the 'name'

Re: [OSM-talk] Label language on the Default stylesheet

Hi, On 25.09.2017 13:48, Matthijs Melissen wrote: > Changing some of the labels is something we could do with one > line of code and roll out tomorrow, if we wanted to. Yes. Don't. Bye Frederik -- Frederik Ramm ## eMail frede...@remote.org ## N49°00'09" E008°23'33"

[Talk-us] Recent Aerial Photo Imagery Changes

Fellow mappers, So what's up with the recent changes in our aerial photo imagery? It used to be so simple and I followed the rule(?) of making sure featuresline up with Bing imagery.  I'm wondering about that now - big time.I have been mapping in a variety of locations lately and the situation

[OSM-talk-fr] Contribution arbres remarquables du Bas-Rhin

Bonjour, Le département du Bas-Rhin a initié depuis 5 ans un inventaire des arbres remarquables. Cet inventaire comporte un volet géographique visible ici : http://sigweb.bas-rhin.fr/arbrem/, plus de 250 arbres étant recensés à ce jour. Notre collectivité souhaiterai pouvoir « pousser » ces

Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" on Dartmoor

On 25/09/2017 13:36, SK53 wrote: When this thread first started I thought we could work to remove these multiple meanings, but having seen what places with natural=heath from Corine imported-data in the Cevennes,  suspect that this is an unrealistic objective. Well just because one bad

Re: [Talk-se] Ändra linknummer på E-vägar

Hej! För all vägrelaterad information rekommenderas ett studium av trafikverkets nationella vägdatabas, NVDB, som är öppna data. Den finns både som nedladdningsbar geodata, eller som wms-tjänst. Och man får anse den som den bästa offentligt tillgängliga väginformationen som finns, eftersom den

Re: [Talk-se] Ändra linknummer på E-vägar

Poängen med att data finns i OSM är att olika verktyg då kan hämta data därifrån utan att behöva känna till alla andra databaser som finns runt om i världen. Vad gäller just denna fråga så är det ju själva taggningen av vägnummer som diskuteras, vilket är något som du också menar borde finnas i

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] [osm-fr CA] Lettre ouverte "Argent Public ? Code Public !'

Bonjour, > De: "Vincent de Château-Thierry" > > De: "Nicolas Dumoulin" > > > > Je suis favorable à ce que OSM-Fr signe l'appel. > > D'accord aussi. On peut laisser le sujet ouvert quelques jours ici, > et si pas d'arguments contre, signer au nom

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Contribution arbres remarquables du Bas-Rhin

Bonjour, Merci d'avoir lancé la discussion de votre import avant sa réalisation. > ·Pouvons-nous contribuer à OSM sur ce périmètre, et si oui comment ?Pour ma > part, oui, les données semblent de qualité et utile à être intégrée dans osm. > ·Faut-il privilégier la saisie individuelle de chaque

Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" on Dartmoor

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 01:36:22PM +0100, SK53 wrote: > Moor (or possibly fell) covers a decent amount of Corine data imported > across Europe as natural=heath. In effect natural=heath on OSM no longer > means heath. It may mean any of the following: > >- Upland vegetation in its broadest

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Contribution arbres remarquables du Bas-Rhin

Also sprach PIERRE Sylvain [Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 02:39:19PM +] : > > Le département du Bas-Rhin a initié depuis 5 ans un inventaire des arbres > remarquables. > Cet inventaire comporte un volet géographique visible ici : > http://sigweb.bas-rhin.fr/arbrem/, plus de 250 arbres étant recensés

[OSM-talk-fr] Présentation

Bonjour à tous, Nouveau sur cette liste, je me présente rapidement. Je suis enseignant en Sciences de l'Ingénieur à Lyon, formateur académique au numérique et, on peut le dire, libriste... J'ai un compte OSM depuis 2011, mais je suis plus actif depuis quelques mois. J'ai commencé à

Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" on Dartmoor

On 25 September 2017 17:13:01 BST, ael wrote: >On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 01:36:22PM +0100, SK53 wrote: >> Moor (or possibly fell) covers a decent amount of Corine data >imported >> across Europe as natural=heath. In effect natural=heath on OSM no >longer >> means heath.

Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" on Dartmoor

On 25/09/17 17:13, ael wrote: Well, surely this make the tag so general as to be pretty useless. The original meaning was pretty specific and useful. "Moor" or something equivalant is well understood (in the UK, at least) and is useful as a broad description where detailed mapping is absent.

Re: [OSM-talk-fr] Présentation

Le 25/09/2017 à 19:51, Cédric Frayssinet a écrit : Bonjour à tous, Nouveau sur cette liste, je me présente rapidement. Je suis enseignant en Sciences de l'Ingénieur à Lyon, formateur académique au numérique et, on peut le dire, libriste... J'ai un compte OSM depuis 2011, mais je suis plus

Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" on Dartmoor

I'm not really suggesting replacing the tag, I just want to make it easier to find lowland heath. For now these 2 pages by Alan Silverside (Uni of West Scotland) provide lots of good illustrations (names are still botanical though): - Heathland 1:

Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" on Dartmoor

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 06:04:32PM +0100, Elizabeth Oldham wrote: > On 25/09/17 17:13, ael wrote: > > > Well, surely this make the tag so general as to be pretty useless. The > > original meaning was pretty specific and useful. "Moor" or something > > equivalant is well understood (in the UK, at

Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" on Dartmoor

On Mon, Sep 25, 2017 at 05:51:18PM +0100, Kevin Peat wrote: > >Anyway, I take it that no one is objecting to my changes and wanting to > >revert them? > > > >ael > > > > > >___ > >Talk-GB mailing list > >Talk-GB@openstreetmap.org >

Re: [Talk-se] Ändra linknummer på E-vägar

Lekmanna-miss av mig. Jag syftar såklart på vägnumret och vad som finns i ref-taggen. Och förstår jag allt rätt så ska "ref" vara i princip det som står på skylten. (E4 i detta fall). Så ändra ref : E 4.26 till enbart ref: E 4 och sedan lägga till en "official_ref : E 4.26" tycks vara den bästa

[talk-au] Reminder: West End Mapping Party Is this weekend!

Hi everyone. Don't forget that our West End Mapping Party is on Saturday! I hope to see you there! ** Reminder: West End Mapping party is this weekend! Hi OSM, I hope you are excited about our Mapping Event that is coming up this

Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" on Dartmoor

On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 10:10:07AM +, SK53 wrote: > than anything they reflect that OSM as a project lacks good tags for many > of these boreo-temperate upland features, and whilst that is true there I have been changing some "heath" areas of Dartmoor to "moor". But I notice that the wiki

Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" on Dartmoor

Sounds sensible to me but I'm no expert. We have lots of moor here in Yorkshire Colin ⁣Sent from TypeApp ​ On 25 Sep 2017, 12:31, at 12:31, ael wrote: >On Thu, Feb 09, 2017 at 10:10:07AM +, SK53 wrote: >> than anything they reflect that OSM as a project lacks good

Re: [Talk-GB] Large swaths of "heath" on Dartmoor

Moor (or possibly fell) covers a decent amount of Corine data imported across Europe as natural=heath. In effect natural=heath on OSM no longer means heath. It may mean any of the following: - Upland vegetation in its broadest sense: unimproved upland grassland, drier blanket bogs (covered