Re: [Texascavers] Thoughts on OT postings

2008-01-13 Thread George Nincehelser
First it was too warm, then it is to chilly. While I don't agree with some of what's been posted here in the past, but neither do I agree with throwing a wet blanket on the interesting socializing that goes on here. It's too bad. I'll just find somewhere else to hang out, I guess. George On

Re: [Texascavers] OT - Robot evolution for arm-chair cavers

2008-01-11 Thread George Nincehelser
A few billion years from now, when all humans are long extinct, and robots rule, what will they be saying about their creation? ;) Don't assume they'll remember us. It's possible they could become so advanced that they see us as irrelevant. George On 1/11/08, dirt...@comcast.net wrote: > > Th

Re: [Texascavers] Science, Evolution and Creationism

2008-01-10 Thread George Nincehelser
Y'all be a lot happier when y'all finally realize y'all are just figments of my imagination. George

Re: [Texascavers] "Science, Evolution and Creationism"--free download from the National Academies Press

2008-01-10 Thread George Nincehelser
http://www.expelledthemovie.com/ Ben has some interesting points. The Flash introduction is kind of funny, but the supertrailer of the movie gets more philosophical. George

Re: [Texascavers] Google Gmail Cavechat

2007-12-25 Thread George Nincehelser
Unless you really trust those people, save your money. It just moves the problem to a different location. You have to control (or trust) the endpoints of a VPN before it gives you true security. If a third party involvement is a must, onion-routing (eg: https://www.torproject.org/) is one way to

Re: [Texascavers] Internet security

2007-12-24 Thread George Nincehelser
That's not necessary. They already know we're an "underground" organization. ;) George On 12/24/07, Mixon Bill wrote: > > > Meanwhile, just for amusement and to keep them on their toes, everyone > could include the words "White House" and "bomb" in all their e-mails > in some perfectly innocent

Re: [Texascavers] Google Gmail Cavechat

2007-12-21 Thread George Nincehelser
There's no reason to fear Google any more than any other service. Google is at least being up-front and honest about what they're doing. We don't know much about the other guys. Unless you're taking insanely heroic measures to encrypt your data, most of it is wide open to anyone with access to t

Re: [Texascavers] radiation

2007-12-20 Thread George Nincehelser
I'm sure there's a certain amount of hysteria involved, but there does seem to be substancial evidence that lead exposure during childhood has a big impact on their neurological development. Apparently lead tastes sweet to children, so they're likely to ingest harmful quantities. I've heard that

Re: [Texascavers] OT - Coal Ash Is More Radioactive than Nuclear Waste

2007-12-20 Thread George Nincehelser
Never in my life have I ever come across a true cinder block. They were always made of concrete. Where I grew up (Nebraska) the "cinder" and "concrete" names were used interchangeably for the same kind of block, but the older generations seemed to prefer the word "cinder". During the summers of

Re: [Texascavers] radioactive

2007-12-19 Thread George Nincehelser
You know, if we just wrapped our homes in lead-based materials, we wouldn't have to worry so much about radiation. It's always something, though

Re: [Texascavers] OT - Coal Ash Is More Radioactive than Nuclear Waste

2007-12-19 Thread George Nincehelser
Just to briefly merge two off-topic discussions, here are some lyrics to a popular Dan Fogelberg song: I hear the thunder three miles away The Island's leaking into the bay The poison is spreading The demon is free And people are running from what they can't even see

Re: [Texascavers] Future Caving Vehicle?

2007-12-18 Thread George Nincehelser
Soif you opened the side doors and drove off a cliff, could you land safely?

Re: [Texascavers] OT - musician Dan Fogelberg

2007-12-17 Thread George Nincehelser
Man, that's depressing. Especially when he was only 56, and we're going to hear a lot of "Same Auld Lang Syne" the next few weeks. George On 12/17/07, David Locklear wrote: > > Dan Fogelberg passed away today. > > I recall on some of my first caving road-trips around 1984, listening > to his m

Re: RE: [Texascavers] OT-The Border Fence

2007-12-12 Thread George Nincehelser
I've always wondered if it would be easier for everybody if we just merged Mexio/US/Canada into one unified group, sort of like the EU. That's probably just crazy talk, but it would make for a much shorter run of fence on the southern border. George

Re: [Texascavers] Flying suits & video

2007-12-11 Thread George Nincehelser
I'm not sure why the guy thinks he need $2,000,000 for this. I'm sure you could do a proof-of-concept quiet cheaply. Just start working with a prototype suit and a crash-test dummy. With a runway and some sort of advanced personal landing gear (like straping a skateboard to your chest) you migh

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-11 Thread George Nincehelser
eLorian was stainless steel. > > There was a version of the Jaguar XK150 that was aluminum. I recall that > > my college roommate's older brother had one. The body was cast aluminum! > > > > I believe those aluminum bodied Jags to be rare. > > > > > >

Re: [Texascavers] OT - future of automobiles

2007-12-10 Thread George Nincehelser
A big drawback of aluminum is its metal fatigue characteristics. You pretty much have to expect that it's eventually going to fail, but you really don't know when. What I find really disturbing is that aluminum is used for airplanes. The only reason they aren't falling out of the air more often

Re: [Texascavers] Interested in Global Warming?

2007-11-16 Thread George Nincehelser
>Does anybody remember back in the 70 >when rich folks lived in homes like the >Brady Bunch had? I never got the impression that the Brady's were rich. Anway, the "house" wasn't a very good true representation. I think the "real" house, only has a couple of bedrooms. The way it was portrayed on

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: FW: This is how geologists juggle..

2007-11-06 Thread George Nincehelser
Try the Youtube version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=qF6hqN580b4 On 11/6/07, Lyndon Tiu wrote: > > > Sob, sob. I tried to go to this site at work and this is what I got: > > Forbidden > You were denied access because: > Access denied by SmartFilter content category. The requested URL belongs > t

Re: [Texascavers] OT - satellite radio

2007-10-18 Thread George Nincehelser
Probably the biggest limitation to cavers might be lack of coverage in Mexico. I haven't looked recently, but a few years ago XM coverage only extended about 100 miles over the border. I think Canada might have more coverage now. Of course, you need a decent sky view, so coverage in some canyons

Re: [Texascavers] Off-Topic Satellite Radio

2007-10-17 Thread George Nincehelser
The two big players are Sirius and XM. They use different satellite technology, but the companies are in the process of merging at the business level. It looks like both hardware platforms will be supported for the foreseeable future. Technical aspects aside, as a conservative I prefer XM. Hipp

Re: [Texascavers] OT - tube tv's

2007-10-17 Thread George Nincehelser
The tube has nothing to do with the analog/digital switchover. Tubes are just going away because of the convenience and economics. >From a storekeeper's perspective, just think how many flat screens you can stock compared to similar tube screens. That's a big market motivator. I don't remember

Re: [Texascavers] Live Like Cavemen

2007-10-11 Thread George Nincehelser
Has anyone been watching "Cavemen"? They actually referred to themselves as "cavers" on the last episode.

Re: [Texascavers] A couple of bat things

2007-10-10 Thread George Nincehelser
"Bat Like Me" http://cidutest.wordpress.com/2007/07/27/and-the-would-have-made-a-better-punchline-forty-seven-years-ago-award-goes-to/ George On 10/10/07, Nico Escamilla wrote: > > Rats with Wings LMAO > > On 10/10/07, gi...@att.net wrote: > > > > ...and more. > > > > http://www.nsf.gov/n

Re: [Texascavers] Caving or Spelunking?

2007-09-24 Thread George Nincehelser
Books also don't randomly garble your text while you're writing, either. ;) George On 9/24/07, George Nincehelser wrote: > > On 9/24/07, David Locklear wrote: > >I will probably wrap them in plastic and store them away somewhere. > >Maybe in 100 years they will be

Re: [Texascavers] Caving or Spelunking?

2007-09-24 Thread George Nincehelser
On 9/24/07, David Locklear wrote: >I will probably wrap them in plastic and store them away somewhere. >Maybe in 100 years they will be collectors items. Would >you want a 100 year old set of encyclopedias? Yes and yes. Printed encyclopedias from this time period are going to be rare. Especi

Re: [Texascavers] RE: More black holes spotted on Mars

2007-09-24 Thread George Nincehelser
>From the article: "The holes may be openings, called skylights, in the ceilings of underground caves". I think this may have been discussed before, but is there such a thing as an "aboveground" cave? George On 9/24/07, Minton, Mark wrote: > >Jerry Atkinson posted the following link: >

Re: [Texascavers] Fwd: OT- Fwd: ZEITGEIST: Don't Mind the "Man" Behind the Curtain.

2007-09-23 Thread George Nincehelser
I've no idea what this has to do with caving, but what's really scary is that someone might mistake this for some kind of scholarly work. If you've got a couple of hours to blow on something heavily based on comic books and bad science/fantasy novels, go right ahead and watch it. However, I think

Re: [Texascavers] cheap AAs

2007-09-22 Thread George Nincehelser
I wouldn't recommend this at all for anything but emergency use. AA batteries come in several different flavors. The most popular today is "alkaline". What is shown in this video are likely carbon-zinc chemistry. Yeah, they'll work, but you're not going to get the same performance characterstic

Re: [Texascavers] Mike Walsh

2007-09-05 Thread George Nincehelser
Try the Texas Cave Conservancy: 512-249-CAVE George On 9/5/07, O'Bryan, Lisa Renee wrote: > > > Hi, Im trying to get ahold of Mike Walsh regarding access to Beck Ranch > cave > but none of the contact information I have for him seems to be correct. > Does > anyone know how I can get in contact

[Texascavers] OT - Need a part-timer

2007-09-05 Thread George Nincehelser
I need to fill a part-time position here in the Austin area. I might be a good fit for a caver. The work entails refurbishing PC systems, taking deliveries, shipping, and watching over our products in a dark, dingy warehouse in the northern part of Austin. Technical experience doesn't need to be

Re: [Texascavers] FW: Fainting Goats

2007-08-31 Thread George Nincehelser
You keep a fainting goat with a herd of sheep. That way if the flock is attacked by a predator, the fainting goat gets left behind to be an easy meal, letting the rest of the flock run away. That, in a sense, is kind of like being a scapegoatit's being sacrificed for the good (or sins?) of th

Re: [Texascavers] WOW! More detail from the crater holes on Mars!!!

2007-08-30 Thread George Nincehelser
I've no experience evaluating photos like this, but it just looks odd to me. I think what bothers me is that shadow is so straight. Wouldn't you expect it to be more curved? Also, when you look at the wall, I see something that looks like a barren rocky surface with a small impact crater. The p

Re: [Texascavers] clash of cultures

2007-08-28 Thread George Nincehelser
On 8/28/07, Louise Power wrote: > > Just consider Heisenberg's uncertainty principle which says, in simple > terms: > > *Each new bit of information is gained at the cost of losing another.* > > What are we losing when we gain additional information about what we like > to call "primitive culture

Re: [Texascavers] Too Commonly Used Cave Names

2007-08-27 Thread George Nincehelser
With the obvious problem with names, does anyone keep a registry where each cave is assigned a unique identifier? George

Re: [Texascavers] Krubera now deeper than before :

2007-08-26 Thread George Nincehelser
What is the -2190m in reference to? The entrance or some other reference point? Thanks George On 8/26/07, jerryat...@aol.com wrote: > > The deepest cave in the World became deeper (-2190m): news from > Krubera-Voronja Cave, Arabika Massif, Western Caucasus >

[Texascavers] Orginal "Adventure" game and Kentucky Cave it was based on

2007-08-14 Thread George Nincehelser
If you've played "Adventure", you'll understand. http://brain.lis.uiuc.edu:2323/opencms/export/sites/default/dhq/vol/001/2/09.html George

Re: [Texascavers] Dead Dog Cave and Airmans in Austin

2007-08-14 Thread George Nincehelser
I can't recall my source, but several years ago I remember looking at a scan of a newspaper clipping (The Statesman?). Either that, or it was a clipping from the Texas Cave Conservancy library. Kids would go down in the cave, and then rescuers would have to pull them out. The community considered

Re: [Texascavers] urban growth

2007-08-14 Thread George Nincehelser
On 8/14/07, David Locklear wrote: > > I recall someone telling me there is a cave covered up underneath > a Luby's parking lot somewhere in Austin. I've heard it called "Dead Dog Cave" and it is supposedly underneath the Luby's parking lot at Steck and Mopac. George

Re: [Texascavers] Message Board

2007-08-12 Thread George Nincehelser
Texascaver.com is now in my stable. Someone let it expire a few years ago so I picked it up. On 8/12/07, Don Cooper wrote: > > For how long now? > Didn't someone in San Antonio recently give up the exact same domain > name?? > (or was that texascaver.com ?) > -WaV > > > On 8/12/07, RD Milholli

Re: [Texascavers] OT - MicroSoft Vista

2007-08-10 Thread George Nincehelser
I got a new HP laptop with Vista Business pre-installed as an evaluation machine. 1 Gig RAM, Core 2 Duo, 2.1 GHz or so. It's horrible. I just can't understand why a machine that should be peppy is running like a dog. One mistake I made was running it it 64-bit mode. For the most part it works,

Re: [Texascavers] NSS News

2007-07-31 Thread George Nincehelser
"This sentence no verb." On 7/30/07, Bill Mixon wrote: > > Sentences seen in the July 2007 NSS News: > > "Rattlesnakes are one reason the place can be so foreboding." > > "We had a cave to map that required forging the river by foot." > > Does anybody read that stuff before it is printed? Shame!

Re: [Texascavers] Cropping Photos

2007-07-18 Thread George Nincehelser
This may not be the best way, but it works for me. First, you have to have "Gimp" (http://gimp.org) It's not Photoshop, nearly as good as, and it's free. Assuming you have that, there's an elliptical selection tool. Use that to select the area you're interested in, then copy and paste it into

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite] - warning Ediger-length diatribe

2007-07-17 Thread George Nincehelser
Now for those who are still scratching your heads about the source of approximately 99% of the heat on earth - if you can't recognize a simple thing like a heat source that provides 99% of the heat on your planet, perhaps you might have a little trouble recognizing evolution, which plays just

Re: [Texascavers] [Bat "Caught" by Stalactite]

2007-07-17 Thread George Nincehelser
Or phrased another way, why do we always seem to assume formations must grow slowly? Under favorable conditions, is fast growth possible? Has anyone tried to grow "artificial" formations under controlled conditions? George On 7/17/07, Fritz Holt wrote: I am waiting for a knowledgeable geo

Re: [Texascavers] RE: Dermabond Skin Glue

2007-07-11 Thread George Nincehelser
David Locklear said: Do cavers carry super-glue in their cave-packs? Is DermaBond Skin Glue something you can get without a prescription. CA has its uses, but I've never found it to be very useful in the field. Duct tape is just so much more versitile. If I'm inclined to carry an emergenc

Re: [Texascavers] OT - computer woes - avoid Google bundleware at all cost

2007-07-03 Thread George Nincehelser
I've literally installed Google Pack on hundreds of systems without issues. Granted, if you load *everything* and have a slow or already screwed up machine, you're going to have problems. Things I avoid loading are RealPlayer, Skype, and Google Desktop (which is a real pain on a slow machine as

Re: [Texascavers] OT - the iPhone hoopla

2007-07-02 Thread George Nincehelser
I am thinking about getting one, but thought I'd wait until the intial hype had burned out (and my current cell contract expires). I might buy one through Apple's web store, but there's a 2-3 week delivery time. But I'd rather hold one in my hand before making a commitment. What I'm wondering i

Re: [Texascavers] Using heat to remove graffiti

2007-06-28 Thread George Nincehelser
I think the trick is that you want something to ask as a pressure vessel, then have a triggered nozzle on the hose. That lets the pressure build up to the point where you can get a good steam jet going for a bit. Then you have to stop and let the pressure build again. Regulating the pressure ma

Re: [Texascavers] wind on Mars

2007-06-27 Thread George Nincehelser
The recent book "The Hazards of Space Travel: A Tourists's Guide' by Neil Comins is an interesting and easy read. Most chapters start with "Journal Entries" of some future space worker that sound an awful lot like postings on this mailing list. ( http://www.amazon.com/Hazards-Space-Travel-Touris

Re: [Texascavers] RE: "finalizing" CDs

2007-06-27 Thread George Nincehelser
It's not so much the software, but the actual drives. It wasn't too long ago that drives were often labled "multi-session capable" as the latest feature. There is quite a bit of difference between optical drives now in use. Unless you stick to a plain vanilla feature set, you're bound to run int

Re: [Texascavers] faulty thumb drives

2007-06-27 Thread George Nincehelser
Volume probably has a lot do with it. Those flash chips seem to be in everything.

Re: [Texascavers] How to Cook Bats - Don't

2007-06-26 Thread George Nincehelser
But, since bats are really mammals and not birds, they should have been on the "unclean animals" list. Did God not realize when creating the earth, that bats are not birds but are really mammals and were not related to birds in any way? The taxonomy of the ancient Hebrews wouldn't be the same as

Re: [Texascavers] Using heat to remove graffiti

2007-06-26 Thread George Nincehelser
"Pop" is an understatement. One of those steam jet cleaners might work. I'm not sure how you'd power it, though. George On 6/26/07, Jon Cradit wrote: The wet rocks could pop or crack due to the expanding water. This may not give you the look or appearance you wanted. Jon Cradit -Or

Re: [Texascavers] USB memory sticks

2007-06-26 Thread George Nincehelser
When they fail, recovery is very difficult. Mainly because it is a serious hardware failure. On the other hand, they don't fail as often as portable hard drives because there are no moving parts. For general daily use, I find them more reliable and convienient than CD. I wouldn't recommend the

Re: [Texascavers] OT - USB memory sticks

2007-06-25 Thread George Nincehelser
It's kind of a silly claim for a memory stick, but I see no reason it wouldn't survive the trip, assuming you let it dry out before trying to use it. George On 6/25/07, David Locklear wrote: There was an ad in the newspaper this weekend from one of the electronic's stores advertising a "USB

Re: [Texascavers] gold CDs

2007-06-25 Thread George Nincehelser
There is no reason to Zip or otherwise encode data for the purpose of providing a check on whether or not it is still good. There are multiple levels of checking already in the data CD format. The basic CD format (even for music CDs) has a lot of redundancy, error-correction, etc., and then there

Re: [Texascavers] Re: Archival Quality CDs

2007-06-24 Thread George Nincehelser
Don't rely on just the CD media. If you really want to protect your data, wrap up all the files and folders in an archive format like zip before putting them away. Why? That way you'll be able to detect "bit-rot". If you do have bit-rot, at least you'll know about and have a chance to deal wit

Re: [Texascavers] Beware eating squirrel brains

2007-06-22 Thread George Nincehelser
Scrapies. Like I really need another reason not to eat squirrel brains. George On 6/22/07, Fritz Holt wrote: No, but it is probably called mad squirrel disease. The last one I killed was mad as hell. I hear that the disease manifests itself by getting our fingers mixed up on the keyboard an

Re: [Texascavers] rodent recipe

2007-06-22 Thread George Nincehelser
Rabbits are lagomorphs, not rodents. My grandpa use to raise rabbits for eating. Apparently they were tasty enough that he had problems with them being stolen. He rectified that by putting a possum in one of the rabbit hutches. You can buy rabbit at most HEB's. George On 6/22/07, Fritz Holt

Re: [Texascavers] Tone's adventure with bees

2007-06-18 Thread George Nincehelser
This article is interesting. The source might be biased as it was written by a beekeeper, but it sounds pretty rational. http://www.honeybeeworld.com/misc/stings.htm George On 6/18/07, Bill Mixon wrote: Tone's symptoms do not sound like anaphylactic shock. The most prominent and threaten

Re: [Texascavers] One for Winnie-the-Pooh

2007-06-18 Thread George Nincehelser
I second the notion of getting a few trusted medical opinions after having so many stings at once. It's possible that your next sting could be a real doozey, or you may have absolutely no reaction at all. From what I've read, some people get more sensitive with each sting, but other less. My

Re: [Texascavers] One for Winnie-the-Pooh

2007-06-17 Thread George Nincehelser
Any idea what caused the bees to be so grumpy? Could they have been Africanized? George On 6/17/07, Tone G wrote: One for Winnie-the-Pooh A True Caver Account by Tone Garot 2007 June 17 I have come across some most interesting experiences when caving or doing caving related sports. Today

Re: [Texascavers] Aboveground Caves

2007-05-29 Thread George Nincehelser
This one doesn't look much like a cave either, but it does give you a feel for negotiating tight passages: http://nincehelser.com/photos/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=30 (the first of a few pictures). It's at Talking Rock Cavern near Branson, Missouri. George On 5/29/07, Rod Goke wrote: Abo

Re: [Texascavers] economics of E85

2007-05-23 Thread George Nincehelser
Disclaimer: My family grows a lot of corn. Corn may not be the most optimum choice for energy conversion, but right now we have an infrastructure well suited to growing corn. We've got years of experience on how to grow it, and we have the ability to produce lots of it. If corn-based ethanol tu

Re: [Texascavers] RE: Math Skills

2007-05-23 Thread George Nincehelser
There are actually 10. Those that understand binary, and those who don't. On 5/23/07, Nascar Caver wrote: There are 3 kinds of people in the world... those that can count and those that cannot. NCC On 5/23/07, Duane Hummel wrote: > > So half the people are above average? > > Duane >

Re: [Texascavers] gas prices

2007-05-19 Thread George Nincehelser
Here's an interesting link on prices in other countries: http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/global_gasprices/ George On 5/19/07, Bill Mixon wrote: Back some months ago, when gas prices were lower, I actually saw $1.99 a gallon at one station. I was tempted to go in, although I would hav

Re: [Texascavers] can identify it?

2007-04-12 Thread George Nincehelser
Texas rat snake, I think. Non-venomous. From what I understand, round eyes tend to mean non-venomous. George On 4/12/07, Scott wrote: Python - Original Message - *From:* Ramon Godina Silva *To:* Texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Thursday, April 12, 2007 9:48 AM *Subje

Re: [Texascavers] Gmail and the Sector 6 fiasco

2007-04-10 Thread George Nincehelser
On 4/10/07, addi...@caveresource.com wrote: Mark couldn't be more correct. Google has no responsibility to provide free email service to anyone, and even if they do, they are not obligated to keep it running all the time. Nothing is "free", Google is the equivalent of a digital drug dealer.

Re: [Texascavers] RE: computers, Internet Explorer 7, and Digital Cameras

2007-04-04 Thread George Nincehelser
SD memory cards are soon going to 8 gigabytes. Same with Compact Flash, and USB thumb drives are already there. Less than $80, too! I've been using 16Gig thumb drives for the past few weeks. ($150) They are big, but they are slo to write. (It takes me several hours to write about