Re: [time-nuts] Confused about Rubidium oscillators

2012-11-14 Thread Brian Kirby
I believe Corby came up with the bulb "rejuvenation". If you tried to get a new bulb for a FRK, they wanted $400 in the late 1990s for them. Several rubidium's are plentiful and cheap, it may be easier to buy one from the auction site. I have a HP5065A, I run it when I need it, and when not

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A and Tac32

2012-11-13 Thread Brian Kirby
the modifications required. Brian Kirby KD4FM On 11/13/2012 5:57 AM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi There are a *lot* of places that archive this list. As long as you know roughly when the messages came through, it's not to hard to go dig them up. That's also a good reason to keep things "

Re: [time-nuts] HP Z3801A and Tac32

2012-11-12 Thread Brian Kirby
http://www.realhamradio.com/tac32-interface.htm Brian Kirby KD4FM On 11/12/2012 7:53 PM, Merv Thomas wrote: Hi - Thanks to all for the helpful hints which may enable me to use Tac32. Sorry for a new posting but I had a calamity and somehow deleted all the replies instead of moving them to my

Re: [time-nuts] Measuring gpsdo vs itself

2012-11-05 Thread Brian Kirby
I would measure the counter both ways to characterize it, and you may learn a little more about how it reacts. Use its internal oscillator for the counter, apply the same 1PPS signal to both inputs. Use an external time base for the counter, apply the same 1 PPS to both inputs - make sure th

Re: [time-nuts] OT [GPS Survey grade RX]

2010-12-06 Thread Brian Kirby
A good general purpose reference on GPS surveying is http://140.194.76.129/publications/eng-manuals/em1110-1-1003/toc.htm Title: * Engineering and Design - NAVSTAR Global Positioning System Surveying * *by the Army Corp of Engineering. Full manual is 20 Mb. *On 12/6/2010 1:06 AM, Rob Kimbe

Re: [time-nuts] HP5065A Rubidium 2nd Harmonic Readings

2010-10-29 Thread Brian Kirby
, check the electrolytics on the oven controller board. You don't want an oven controller failure. -- john, KE5FX -Original Message- From: time-nuts-boun...@febo.com [mailto:time-nuts-boun...@febo.com]on Behalf Of Brian Kirby Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2010 9:15 PM To: precise tim

[time-nuts] HP5065A Rubidium 2nd Harmonic Readings

2010-10-28 Thread Brian Kirby
I recently had a long term power failure and ran out of UPS time. The power was out over a day and when I returned home, it had been restored. The rubidium recovered, I hit the logic reset button and start and got the green light. I made some meter readings, and noticed something I have not

Re: [time-nuts] SRS SR620 counter problem/Battery

2010-10-25 Thread Brian Kirby
I had a problem with a Z3801A GPSDO. I added a backup battery to the Motorola Oncore VP receiver, so it could store GPS satellite almanacs (makes the unit come up a lot faster from an unpowered state). I used common 1.5 volt AA alkaline batteries, two in series to the receiver. Worked great.

Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-08 Thread Brian Kirby
, d is diameter, wave is the operating frequency On 10/8/2010 9:47 PM, jimlux wrote: Brian Kirby wrote: 20 log(base10) (diameter in meters) + 20log(frequency in ghz) +17.8 = dbi That assumes some nominal efficiency? I'll have to remember that one.. 17.8 It's like the 32.44 dB for

Re: [time-nuts] GPS backup for the stationary time and frequencyuser

2010-10-08 Thread Brian Kirby
20 log(base10) (diameter in meters) + 20log(frequency in ghz) +17.8 = dbi On 10/8/2010 8:39 PM, jimlux wrote: Magnus Danielson wrote: On 10/08/2010 08:22 PM, jimlux wrote: B You might do just as well with a flat cookie sheet. Well, a 1 m dish gives you 48 dB gain at L1 if I calculate cor

Re: [time-nuts] Adding EFC

2010-10-03 Thread Brian Kirby
The original Shera GPS controller was designed for the HP10811 oscillator in their frequency counter. Brooks Shera, W5OJM, A GPS-Base Frequency Standard On 10/3/2010 5:45 PM, Perry Sandeen wrote: List The HP 10811 type oscillator is used for both the HP 5370B TIC, the HP 3586B SLV with the h

Re: [time-nuts] Lucent Rubidium Adjustment

2010-10-03 Thread Brian Kirby
You can add a 1 K pot directly to the I/O connector on the FRS rubidium. Top of pot to pin 8, center of pot to pin 2, bottom of pot to pin 3. When the external pot is used, it will override the internal pot somewhat. The pot should be a 10 turn pot. More information is available in the Efrat

Re: [time-nuts] Possibly OT - Any interest in a vintage HP/Dymec DY-5842 VLF receiver?

2010-10-01 Thread Brian Kirby
You might consider contacting Dr. Ken Kuhn -- kennathak...@gmail.com check his HP museum at http://www.kennethkuhn.com/hpmuseum/ Brian Kirby KD4FM On 10/1/2010 5:34 PM, ziggy9 wrote: Fellow time-nuts: I've got a circa 1964 DY-5842 VLF receiver. This is (was) operated in conjunction

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Variance

2010-09-29 Thread Brian Kirby
And ALAVAR http://www.alamath.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=12&Itemid=30 And PLOTTER http://ulrich-bangert.de/html/downloads.html On 9/29/2010 11:18 AM, Martyn Smith wrote: Hello, Can anyone recommend software to calulate the Allan varaince from a set of data? I have taken

Re: [time-nuts] Timing Distribution in Mountainous Terrain

2010-09-11 Thread Brian Kirby
I believe the primary reasons for GPS receivers for the power industry is power line fault location. They use time tagging to measure disturbances to locate a fault and it's accuracy directly determines its resolution. On 9/11/2010 7:33 PM, jimlux wrote: Stan, W1LE wrote: If the odd harmoni

Re: [time-nuts] Fwd: Re: homebrew H maser

2010-09-01 Thread Brian Kirby
Back when I worked with cryo-LNA's, we had helium for the cryo's and nitrogen for the waveguide (to pressurize it). The cryo's were located in a tropical environment and we had to add helium every day. Then you get a new person, who comes back and ask if they were suppose to use the pink bott

Re: [time-nuts] What's the lifetime for a HP Z3801a?

2010-08-28 Thread Brian Kirby
One of mine is at 26334, the other at 29827. One jumps every once in a while the other seems to be OK. TVB/Leapsecond.com has 13 of the units, maybe he will chime in, or you can send him and email. Brian On 8/28/2010 6:31 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: Have a pair of Z3801a receivers and GPSCon.

Re: [time-nuts] Does GPS time reception work everywhere all of the time?

2010-08-28 Thread Brian Kirby
I read its hard to get a position fix over the poles of the earth - its related to the orbits of the GPS satellites. But to get time, you really only need one satellite. On 8/28/2010 6:31 PM, Bill Hawkins wrote: I'm involved with time synchronization of control system computers for multi-

Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

2010-08-24 Thread Brian Kirby
We'll good luck and happy trails...In respect for John Ackermann's work and the TAPR list that time-nuts originated from, you should be considerate and pick a different name. Brian Kirby - KD4FM On 8/24/2010 9:43 PM, Stanley Reynolds wrote: Personal Preference, Restrictions wit

Re: [time-nuts] Bulletin Board / Forum

2010-08-24 Thread Brian Kirby
Whats the reason and motive for this ? On 8/24/2010 8:50 PM, Stanley Reynolds wrote: Started setting up a time-nuts board at: http://forums.n4iqt.com/modules.php?name=Forums Need ideas for topics. Stanley ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@feb

Re: [time-nuts] Inexpensive source of HP-10811's and HP-10544's

2010-08-18 Thread Brian Kirby
Fair Radio Sales have these units at a consistent price...Look on the test equipment page for frequency counters - I believe they are at the bottom of the page. Brian - KD4FM On 8/18/2010 3:19 PM, Bob Bownes wrote: At risk of giving up a secret source, I've just discovered that if you buy an

Re: [time-nuts] PicTic Data

2010-08-15 Thread Brian Kirby
In Plotter, use the SERIES menu/dropdown to scale the data. As an example for DMTD, I have to multiply the data times 1e-6: Gave the new data a name, in the top of the dropdown, then in this case, enter this formula, in the bottom of the dropdown; X1*1e-6 where X1 is the data WHen it gets t

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5335A and HP-IB (GP-IB)

2010-08-01 Thread Brian Kirby
I do not have a 5335A, but... I use a ProLogix USB-GPIB adapter on a HP5370. I am not doing anything fancy, no real controlling. I set the GPIB on the 5370B to talk, then use John Miles GPIB Configuration program for the adapter. John KE5FX is on this list and has a web site with several GP

Re: [time-nuts] Z38xx and z3805

2010-08-01 Thread Brian Kirby
Have you tried entering the position data manually ? GPS:POS N,DD,MM,SS,W,DD,MM,SS,ALT altitude in meters On 8/1/2010 2:04 PM, Bob Camp wrote: Hi What's the current thinking on saving the survey position on a z3805? Each time mine power cycle they come back believing they are in Korea somewh

Re: [time-nuts] Updated Shera controller

2010-07-29 Thread Brian Kirby
Have you looked at using the TAC32 software?. You can use the 53131A with it and a GPS receiver and time tag data and log the time interval. You can tell it to record a one second file, and a average file, for what ever you set the 53131A up to average, and it will also generate a satellite s

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium - Status

2010-07-27 Thread Brian Kirby
I also noticed on the Fury I had the original firmware in the unit from when I was bought (Oct 14,2007). I have not had a chance to play with the unit unit recently. I reflashed the unit with 1.22 firmware. I noticed in the flash software I could not select the DEVICE LCP2136, it was grey

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium - PIS

2010-07-27 Thread Brian Kirby
That part I understand (your drawing), its a basic phase lock loop. What I am having trouble with is the Fury's commands relationship. The Fury controller has the following SERVO commands to set up the loop: SERVo:DACG which is the DAC gain, a control voltage range ? range is 0.1 to 10,000 -- t

Re: [time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium

2010-07-27 Thread Brian Kirby
I read the article on PID on Wikipedia last night. I do not fully understand it, but I see/learning some of the relationship. I did a test on the FRS-C rubidium. The average frequency was 10 000 000.0025 hertz at the rubidium 10 turn dial dial setting of 255, and the control voltage out of t

[time-nuts] Fury - Rubidium

2010-07-27 Thread Brian Kirby
Has anybody on the list interfaced a Fury GPS controller to a rubidium ? If you have, please advise the rubidium are using and your SERV:DACG , SERV:EFCS , and SERV:EFCD settings. I am working with a FRS-C at the moment and I have not found the right combination to get a stable lock. Thanks

Re: [time-nuts] GPS External (mag-mount) antenna with a bazillion dB gain.....

2010-06-18 Thread Brian Kirby
Looks like just what you need 32 to 55 db of gain (must have a hidden pot somewhere) does not require ground plane (maybe thats why 55 db of gain needed ?) "Calibrated GPS Signal Search Parameters" . vs "uncalibrated" ? Michael Baker wrote: Time Nutters-- See: < http://tinyurl.c

Re: [time-nuts] Allan Deviation

2010-06-15 Thread Brian Kirby
Robert Benward wrote: Hi All, How does one measure allan deviation? How does my computer measure the stability of an oscillator? Is this coming from the Z3801A? Thanks, Bob ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to http

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt test results

2010-06-13 Thread Brian Kirby
One time did 0.8 , 1.0 and 1.2 at 100 seconds and did not see much change. Its in the works one day to play with it some more, when I have more TIME Brian Peter Vince wrote: Have you played with the damping factor Brian? Peter ___ time-nut

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt test results

2010-06-11 Thread Brian Kirby
I changed the disciplining time constant on my Thunderbolts and you can improve it (over the 100 second default). I changed it to 200 sec, then ran a day, the 300 sec, ran another day, etc. One unit was best at 400 seconds, the other unit at 600 seconds. What you should see is less movement

Re: [time-nuts] Hot Water Electronics

2010-06-06 Thread Brian Kirby
]on Behalf Of Brian Kirby Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2010 2:34 PM To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Hot Water Electronics Some instruments can be put in a talk only mode and you will be able to log the data. Its a "dumb" mode, but it works.

Re: [time-nuts] Hot Water Electronics

2010-06-06 Thread Brian Kirby
Some instruments can be put in a talk only mode and you will be able to log the data. Its a "dumb" mode, but it works. If all you need is the dataits good enough. I do not know anything about the PIC Plot device, no endorsement implied. Brian - KD4FM Joseph Gray wrote: I had seen that

Re: [time-nuts] Small DMTD System

2010-06-04 Thread Brian Kirby
Awesome - and - simplicity strikes again Richard H McCorkle wrote: Time-Nuts, There has been much discussion on this list about methods of measuring short-term stability. I wanted to make the list aware of a new paper describing a small DMTD system. The system was developed by William Riley

Re: [time-nuts] GPS Sat Clock Data

2010-06-03 Thread Brian Kirby
I do not know if this is what your looking for, http://www.nist.gov/physlab/div847/grp40/gpsarchive.cfm follow the directions on the date You can look at individual SVN performance, etc. Bob Camp wrote: Hi In this paper: TOTAL HADAMARD VARIANCE: APPLICATION TO CLOCK STEERING BY KALMAN F

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola GPS Z3801A

2010-06-01 Thread Brian Kirby
The Z3801A used a 6 channel version of the Motorola Oncore VP receiver. Manual is at http://www.ko4bb.com/Manuals/05)_GPS_Timing/OncoreVPZ.pdf Robert Benward wrote: Hi, Does anyone have the pinouts for the Motorola GPS within the Z3801A? It's a ten pin header and I would like to intercept the

Re: [time-nuts] More from the obsolete gps file: oncore nmea

2010-05-31 Thread Brian Kirby
You may contact Synergy and see if they can flash your current receiver. If not, they use to also have used/return receivers available. normn3...@stny.rr.com wrote: Said, Thanks!! I found that after a while fishing around in the manual. Synergy used to be able to flash the M12+t to an a posit

Re: [time-nuts] GPS lock

2010-05-11 Thread Brian Kirby
I would doubt it. Even though the frequencies are the same, each satellite and WAAS satellite has a separate PRN code and your receiver has to lock up on it. The elder Motorola Oncore VP gps receiver thats in the Z3801A will ignore all WAAS signals. Joseph Gray wrote: Did anyone else loose G

Re: [time-nuts] New Most Accurate Clock

2010-04-01 Thread Brian Kirby
"By the way, my new email is kilodelta4foxm...@topeka.com.." Brian KD4FM Tom Holmes, N8ZM wrote: Brilliant! If we found a warehouse full of Unobtainium, would we have to change its name to Readiliobtainium? Or Notsorarium? Regards, Tom Holmes, N8ZM Tipp City, OH EM79xx -Origin

Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers

2010-03-31 Thread Brian Kirby
I uploaded the 10514 and 10534 mixer manuals to ko4bb site Bruce Griffiths wrote: Upload it to the manuals section of Didier's site: http://www.ko4bb.com/cgi-bin/manuals.pl Bruce ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go t

Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers

2010-03-31 Thread Brian Kirby
The manual is about a megabyte - the list will not accept it. ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Is there a way you can post it on time-nuts? Thank you Bert Kehren In a message dated 3/30/2010 9:10:19 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, kilodelta4foxm...@gmail.com writes: We'll the "A"s are the package w

Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixers

2010-03-30 Thread Brian Kirby
We'll the "A"s are the package with the BNC connector. The "B"s are for OEM equipment, they had 6 pins and a smaller plastic black case Turns out they have some of the lowest phase noise specs on record I can send the manual, if you like... Brian Mike Feher wrote: I do not believe

Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixer Terminations

2010-03-30 Thread Brian Kirby
Bob On Mar 30, 2010, at 7:55 PM, Brian Kirby wrote: Here's a block/schematic of the last version I reported on last night. Brian Kirby - KD4FM - Guntersville, Alabama ewkeh...@aol.com wrote: Good morning Brian. What do you use as an OFF SET oscillator? Thank

Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixer Terminations

2010-03-30 Thread Brian Kirby
. Normally the fastest edge happens into a capacitive load at RF that's below about 0.5 J ohms for a "50 ohm" mixer. > > Bob > > On Mar 29, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Brian Kirby wrote: > > >> I have been working on a

Re: [time-nuts] HP10514B Mixer Terminations

2010-03-29 Thread Brian Kirby
uot; mixer. Bob On Mar 29, 2010, at 10:06 PM, Brian Kirby wrote: I have been working on a Dual-Mixer Time Difference system. In the first "design type/experiment", I was using HP10514B mixers and a LT1037 preamp and a OP27 zero crossing amplifier/limiter - all a very basi

Re: [time-nuts] What time is it anyway?

2010-03-26 Thread Brian Kirby
Is the "proper and correct" time reference codified as statue? (thinking of the US) Where? NBS Monograph 140... Brian Eric Fort wrote: Hopefully the following questions will begin some discussion leading to a better understanding of What time is and where it comes from in a civil, legal, and e

[time-nuts] Balanced Mixer App Note

2010-03-26 Thread Brian Kirby
I found a application note that shows how to make your own double balanced mixer. http://www.avagotech.com/docs/AV02-1100EN Brian - KD4FM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To unsubscribe, go to https://www.febo.com/cgi-bin/mailman/list

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna splitters

2010-03-26 Thread Brian Kirby
When I first got started using GPS timing receivers, I used direct broadcasting satellite cable splitters. They are designed to pass DC, and usually good to 1.5 to 2 Ghz. If you need amplification you can also use DBS inline amplifiers - but they need 12-18 volts to power them - so you would

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna setup: how good?

2010-03-24 Thread Brian Kirby
What kind of GPS receiver are you using ? Most of the Motorola and Garmin can output NEMA data, which is comma limited ASCII. There are data sentences that show the elevation and azimuth of the satellite and signal strength in their arbitrary format. You could extract the once sentence and br

Re: [time-nuts] What's the screw for on the Motorola patch antenna?

2010-03-19 Thread Brian Kirby
I got a unit in my hand - I believe it is part of the mounting system Brian KD4FM Robert Atkinson wrote: Looking at the drawings on the data sheet I think it is one of the radome/cable clamp screws. Not sure why the hole is there though. Robert G8RPI. --- On Fri, 19/3/10, Hal Murray wrote:

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A rubidium lifetime

2010-03-19 Thread Brian Kirby
Corby, do you think it warrants an inspection on the oven, for insurance ? Is it a hard procedure ? And what would you look for ? I bought a 5065A last summer, at a hamfest. I had to align it at first to get it to lock up and then I realigned it thirty days later. Its ran non-stop since an

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5065A rubidium lifetime

2010-03-19 Thread Brian Kirby
Chuck, I bought a 5065A manual and did a high quality scan of it and placed it at http://www.kennethkuhn.com/hpmuseum/scans/ - its in three parts. Unfortunately all I had was a single page scanner - which meant some schematics have 5 scans for each page - but I left overlap so they can be l

Re: [time-nuts] Frequency divider board PCBs

2010-03-16 Thread Brian Kirby
If it will help, I can commit for 2 boards total. Brian Kirby - KD4FM David C. Partridge wrote: I now have statements of intent for 21 boards. This will result in a unit price of about GBP20 plus shipping. If I can get the interest level up to close to 50 boards, the unit price comes down to

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Pictures

2010-03-15 Thread Brian Kirby
lly cost me a total of $7.95, And took under 30 seconds to build. That cost should be discounted because those parts had been considered just throw away junk up until now. ws ****** ----- Original Message - From: "Brian Kirby" To: "Discussion of precise tim

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Pictures

2010-03-15 Thread Brian Kirby
. Have Fun, Brooke Clarke http://www.PRC68.com Brian Kirby wrote: Dr. Clark passed on a tip that I used. Put the funnel in a microwave oven and run it and see if the funnel warms up. If it warms up, you do not use it. I do not know what type of plastic the funnel was made out of; it was white

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Pictures

2010-03-15 Thread Brian Kirby
Dr. Clark passed on a tip that I used. Put the funnel in a microwave oven and run it and see if the funnel warms up. If it warms up, you do not use it. I do not know what type of plastic the funnel was made out of; it was white, semi-transparent. There were also comments about surveying and

Re: [time-nuts] Choke Ring Pictures

2010-03-14 Thread Brian Kirby
The home made choke ring was calculated and the pie/cake pans came close. I think somebody all ready pointed at it, but Unavco or NASA had the dimensions to about 6 or 8 common choke ring reflectors on line. They are aluminum cake pans - I bought them in a crafts store. They are one inch apa

[time-nuts] Choke Ring Pictures

2010-03-13 Thread Brian Kirby
Several years back we had the discussion about choke ring antennas. Dr Thomas Clark - retired NASA - Goddard Space Flight Center - I believe he was head of the VLBI project - made a simple choke ring antenna with an electrical junction box. I made 3 sets using pie plates. I promised somebody

[time-nuts] DMTD Systems Papers

2010-03-12 Thread Brian Kirby
Here's a list of papers I have found on DMTD system designs that have some inside details. If you know of others, please add for future reference. Brian - KD4FM Papers on Dual-Mixer Time-Difference systems: Some Aspects of the Theory and Measurement of Frequency Fluctuations in Frequency Stand

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Terminations II

2010-03-03 Thread Brian Kirby
Bruce Griffiths wrote: Brian Kirby wrote: I got to correspond with a person at NIST today about DMTD - about the HP 10514B Mixers. They pointed me to a application note at http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/stellex/5952-8217.pdf (hey - thats one of our time-nuts!) that shows driving the 10514

[time-nuts] DMTD Terminations II

2010-03-02 Thread Brian Kirby
I got to correspond with a person at NIST today about DMTD - about the HP 10514B Mixers. They pointed me to a application note at http://www.thegleam.com/ke5fx/stellex/5952-8217.pdf (hey - thats one of our time-nuts!) that shows driving the 10514 mixer at +13 dbm for the LO port and 0 dbm for

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Mixer Terminations

2010-02-27 Thread Brian Kirby
0 ohm load. You could easily drop the impedance at that point below 300 ohms. That should give you a faster edge into the counter. You also should check the slew rate performance of the 1037. You don't want the op amp to be slew rate limited. Bob On Feb 27, 2010, at 12:41 PM, Brian K

[time-nuts] DMTD Mixer Terminations

2010-02-27 Thread Brian Kirby
I am in the process of designing a DMTD system. As an experiment to do basic measurements on the chosen mixer, I used a capacitor (0.01 uF) in series to ground with a 47 ohm metal film resistor. Where the capacitor and resistor meets, another resistor is attached (390 ohms) that goes to groun

Re: [time-nuts] Fw: Low noise voltage regulators

2010-02-25 Thread Brian Kirby
Stanley Reynolds wrote: Sorry, the page you requested was not found - Forwarded Message From: Stanley Reynolds To: Discussion of precise time and frequency measurement Sent: Thu, February 25, 2010 1:00:58 PM Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Low noise voltage regulators >From the :

Re: [time-nuts] Fw: Rb Oscillator - rather fundamental question

2010-02-23 Thread Brian Kirby
Subject: Re: [time-nuts] Fw: Rb Oscillator - rather fundamental question The HP 5062C is not a "Primary Standard", and that is why it is called a "Reference" because it uses a different transition of Cesium 133 Big, Big, Big s*** eating Grin: hp 5065A Rubidium Vapor Frequency Sta

Re: [time-nuts] Jupiter GPSDO

2010-02-12 Thread Brian Kirby
About every GPSDO and GPS Timing receiver needs to do a self survey before you use it. It has to know where it is in the world. I would give it a master reset and then initiate a self survey. Software controls and shows status of these type of commands. I use to have a Jupiter receiver but I

Re: [time-nuts] Z3801A Frequency Jump

2010-01-27 Thread Brian Kirby
Good, I thought it may be failure time for the regulator or power supply. I had heard folks talked about this(freq jump), but I never seen it. I have another unit on line, so its no problem. And its the first time I think I have seen it on that unit. Brian - KD4FM saidj...@aol.com wrote: Hi

Re: [time-nuts] DMTD Question

2010-01-25 Thread Brian Kirby
DMTF is used to "see" time interval info in the very "near" term, say the 0.01 to 10 second range, with high accuracy and more measurement complexity. Most folks use a time interval counter and compare 1 PPS signals between standards and references. The problem with this method is limited by

[time-nuts] Sidereal time

2010-01-14 Thread Brian Kirby
I would like to have an electronic clock to keep sidereal time. I am planning on using a HP 59309A, which can except an external clock of 1/5/10 Mhz. According to Wikipedia sidereal time is 23 hours 56 minutes and 4.091 seconds - a total of 86,164.091 seconds So 86,400 seconds for a normal

Re: [time-nuts] T-Bolt Question

2010-01-13 Thread Brian Kirby
I did not use the self survey mode, my antenna position was accurately surveyed and I used those coordinates. I just entered them on SETUP menu, scrolled to POSITION and entered the coordinates. Pressed the SET ACCURATE position radiokey, and then saved the segment. Brian KD4FM Richard W.

Re: [time-nuts] Characterization of Oscillator w/ HP5345a

2010-01-11 Thread Brian Kirby
Does your employer offer medical insurance ? Please check to see if they cover psychiatric care. Time-Nuts are more addictive than crack, plus they all have obsessive compulsive disorders. Please seek medical treatment before its two late. Next thing you know, you'll end up with several cry

Re: [time-nuts] HP 5245L counter

2010-01-08 Thread Brian Kirby
I have two fully operational HP5245L. There is something satisfying about the glow of Nixie Tubes. And the kids like to see it counting if you take it out of the storage mode. I also have a complete set of spare boards - and they are not available. One of the units I have is H48 spec. Extr

Re: [time-nuts] NMEA reader?

2010-01-07 Thread Brian Kirby
NEMA is ASCII, comma delimited. Basic stuff can be read with terminal emulator. Jim Mandaville wrote: I'm totally new to this semi-DIY gps stuff. Can anyone recommend any NMEA packet reader software that will work on my old Windows 98 laptop (using data through the RS-232 serial)?. Search

Re: [time-nuts] Help!! Utility for Z3801A control

2010-01-02 Thread Brian Kirby
We'll, I thought I had a copy of it in my archives, but I cannot find it. I always used GPS Con. As a replacement, may I suggest http://ulrich-bangert.de/html/downloads.html program named :Z38XX dave powis wrote: Happy New Year to all Following a PC crash on the shack PC, I have l

[time-nuts] Using a Spectrum Analyser for phase noise

2009-12-30 Thread Brian Kirby
A lot of folks have contacted me off line about phase noise measurements. Good references to start, is the HP applications notes on phase noise at http://www.hpmemory.org/news/3048/hp3048_01.htm A quick example is also in the rear of HP application note 301-1 Low Noise Division of 10 Mhz Oscil

Re: [time-nuts] Phase noise vs warmup or time

2009-12-29 Thread Brian Kirby
If you have a spectrum analyzer, depending on its resolution, you can also measure the phase noise directly. When I worked in the Satellite Communications industry, we needed up and down converters faster than our vendor could make them. They use to go thru a long QA process and they were ver

Re: [time-nuts] are any time-nuts also random-nuts?

2009-12-23 Thread Brian Kirby
I read an article one time about using a solar cell to generate random noise. Scott Burris wrote: I saw this USB connected hourglass for producing random numbers: http://home.comcast.net/%7Ehourglass/ Anyone pursuing perfect randomness in the same way this group pursues time and frequency? M

Re: [time-nuts] Motorola ... ONCORE P/N B8221B116

2009-12-20 Thread Brian Kirby
According to my Motorola notes (6/10/98), the unit is a Oncore VP, version 10.0 firmware, with battery option, differential capability, right angle OSX connector, and strait 10 pin I/O connector. Does not look like it has 1 PPS capability or raw satellite data output. Brian KD4FM erniepe...@

Re: [time-nuts] Synchronizing to WWV

2009-12-18 Thread Brian Kirby
We'll, if you need millisecond accuracy its OK. But if you running real clocks - rubidium or cesium, WWV is just not good enough. If you look around, you can pick up a OEM GPS receiver board for under $40. You can also find cheap patch antennas for $9/10 - at TAPR. Put the receiver in a ca

Re: [time-nuts] Stinky Z3801

2009-12-05 Thread Brian Kirby
You can tune it manually. I have done it. Seen the pictures at http://www.realhamradio.com/GPS-oven-journey.htm Brian KD4FM. Ed Palmer wrote: The 10811-60158 has a higher than normal EFC tuning range and a lower than normal aging rate. Combine these and you shouldn't need to tune it manual

Re: [time-nuts] Reference oscillator accuracy

2009-11-13 Thread Brian Kirby
You will need a receiver to compare your references to. It appears that LORAN will be shut off, so that leaves two services available, either WWV 60 Khz or GPS. I do not use WWV any more, I can tell you about GPS. To compare against GPS you will need a timing receiver, there are several avai

[time-nuts] GPS Positions

2009-11-07 Thread Brian Kirby
Today I had to power down my equipment and reconfigure my power feeds and UPS system to the timing station. When I brought everything back up and let it warm up, I started synchronizing my clocks to UTC via a HP Z3801A GPSDO. Somehow, one of my GPS receivers, a Motorola Oncore VP, got a trash

Re: [time-nuts] Thunderbolt and serial mouse

2009-10-25 Thread Brian Kirby
On machines W2000 and before you added a switch in BOOT.INI "/NoSerialMice". On XP and maybe earlier, you can go to the mouse and disable the serial mouse. Steve wrote: I remember seeing a posting on this reflector in the last year or two about how to disable the PC's serial mouse so a Thunde

Re: [time-nuts] Lady Heather wants to know: How big is your tube?

2009-10-14 Thread Brian Kirby
1680x1050, another is 1280x1024, a laptop at 1152x864 another laptop at 1024x768. Mark Sims wrote: The next version of Lady Heather has support for some bigger screen sizes. Unfortunately the graphics library used cannot enter an arbitrary full screen video mode. It needs to know what the scr

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna and lightning

2009-10-04 Thread Brian Kirby
I dis-agree - call me an old fart or whatever. Your points are valid and proper logic, but every situation is just not the same. Bonding everything is proper, but without an effective ground, lightning will still seek a path to dissipate itself. We are taught if the ground is not good to set

[time-nuts] DMTD Ideas

2009-10-01 Thread Brian Kirby
I have toyed with the idea of building a Dual Mixer Time Difference setup for testing oscillators. I have attached a drawing I made and I have a few areas I need to clear up. At Point #1 on the drawing (the output of the mixers) I expect to see 20 mhz and the 100 hertz beat note. My plans we

Re: [time-nuts] GPS from a window seat

2009-10-01 Thread Brian Kirby
In order to fake out some Garmin units, when using them via splitters on a external antenna, we put 220 ohm resistors from the center of the coax to the sheild. The splitters we used were capacitive coupled and this work fine for the Garmins. The Garmin units needed to see some sort of DC loa

Re: [time-nuts] Can anyone spare an LPRO lamp?

2009-09-29 Thread Brian Kirby
single page on the lamp only - is all I scanned The whole document is available at NIST time group Brian KD4FM J. Forster wrote: I only see a page of descriptive text. Was there more? -John I have attached a low res scan of Robert J. Carpenter's paper NBS Technical

Re: [time-nuts] Can anyone spare an LPRO lamp?

2009-09-29 Thread Brian Kirby
I have attached a low res scan of Robert J. Carpenter's paper NBS Technical Note 235, issued April 6, 1964. Its a rubidium standard that was made for NBS. Its the technical specs on the lamp. I'm sure they probably do it a little different now, but it should give an idea about what went into

Re: [time-nuts] GPS antenna and lightning

2009-09-26 Thread Brian Kirby
Others have made good comments about zones. HP and Symmeritcom made lightning protectors for GPS, they use "N" connections - and I have bought a couple on flea-bay for reasonable prices. I work repairing two way radio systems, we use Polyphasor protectors and they seem to do a good job. But

Re: [time-nuts] Jitter Test on Dividers

2009-09-21 Thread Brian Kirby
And a FYI - it was 60 hertz power here Magnus Danielson wrote: Poul-Henning Kamp wrote: In message <4ab6b76d.1010...@rubidium.dyndns.org>, Magnus Danielson writes: Seems less likely. I was pondering if the power line frequency was doing some nice beat frequency with the system... 1250

Re: [time-nuts] Replies: Jitter Test on Dividers

2009-09-20 Thread Brian Kirby
1)John Miles wrote: Interesting! 500 picoseconds is a lot of drift. Can you try 74AC390s as well? -- john, KE5FX Brian replies:Unfortunately, I did not use IC sockets 2)Magnus Danielson wrote: While that may be interesting, I think we should stop here and think a litt

[time-nuts] Question for David Partridge

2009-09-19 Thread Brian Kirby
Question for David Patridge: I was looking over your design of the CMOS Frequency Divider 2, schematic date 2008-07-10. Have you performed a jitter test on your design ? Brian Kirby - KD4FM ___ time-nuts mailing list -- time-nuts@febo.com To

[time-nuts] TADD-1 Documentation Error

2009-09-17 Thread Brian Kirby
John - N8UR On page 13; titled Initial Test -- 2; there is a documentation error in the middle section; Integrated Circuit Installation -- 2. "Install a MAX477 IC at IC2, IC2, IC3, IC4, IC5, IC6, IC7" Should start with IC1. Brian - KD4FM ___ t

[time-nuts] Minor TADD-2 Sync Problems

2009-09-16 Thread Brian Kirby
I have built two TADD-2's and have been using them in the timing shop. I noticed a synchronization problem and I wanted to pass it on and see if anybody else seen the same problems. What I noticed is the units seem to want to sync within three discreet values of time ; of the source. I have

[time-nuts] HP 5065A Manual

2009-09-16 Thread Brian Kirby
I purchased a original HP 5065A manual and scanned it. The pictures, oscilloscope pictures and some of the schematics were greyscaled to bring out the details. Its available at http://www.kennethkuhn.com/hpmuseum/scans/ Its in three parts, each part being around 10 mb. Brian - KD4FM ___

Re: [time-nuts] Fundamental limits on performance

2009-09-14 Thread Brian Kirby
I had a technician that was assigned to me when I worked at NASA who's job was to operate a 6 axis of freedom table. This thing had 6 hydraulics arms and pumps wired to an analog computer. I believe it could be modulated up to around 70 hertz or so and could handle several thousand pounds. We

Re: [time-nuts] TB question

2009-09-11 Thread Brian Kirby
I have not tried setting parameters in Lady Heather, but the Trimble Thunderbolt Monitor program has a field for this. Its under SETUP then TIMING OUTPUTs. The first variable is PPS Offset. In my case its 128 ns, its entered as -1.280e-07. Brian KD4FM Gordon Batey wrote: Greetings to all

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