Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread DaveWr
mortslim;518059 Wrote: > > This quote just confirms that converting SACD via digital is not going > to yield much better than CD audio. Absolute drivel. Like you previous post about digital sampling. You need to go on a good course. You obviously have no clue about digital sampling theory an

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Will the MusicInfoSCR plugin work with the Touch?

2010-02-17 Thread Valentino
Thanks to both of you. Erland, it's not quite clear to me yet: Does any of these applets support dB-readouts of volume setting whilst the volume control is operated (Never mind the ramped graphic)? -- Valentino Valentino

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread Themis
mortslim;518059 Wrote: > Here’s what one squeezebox owner had to say about the PS3: > > “The PS3 doesn't do DSD via HDMI, so it converts to PCM, which kinda > defeats the point of SACD, but its not a bad player with the BitMapping > option set to 3. You should also force the output to 44.1 kHz r

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Will the MusicInfoSCR plugin work with the Touch?

2010-02-17 Thread erland
aubuti;517665 Wrote: > At present the MusicInfoScreen plugin does not work with the Touch, > because the display is completely different. However, Erland has written > the Information Screen applet that serves much the same function on the > Touch and Radio. See > http://erland.homeip.net/downloa

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread mortslim
Here’s what one squeezebox owner had to say about the PS3: “The PS3 doesn't do DSD via HDMI, so it converts to PCM, which kinda defeats the point of SACD, but its not a bad player with the BitMapping option set to 3. You should also force the output to 44.1 kHz rather than let it go through a fra

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread Mnyb
SACD is not that a bad example of so called hirez 24/96 is PCM is much better ? (this is a very dead topic sorry ) SACD is equivalent of 20 bit in the bass and midrange and then the noise starts to rise and it is sligthly worse than CD at 20kHZ (not much) after that we have a lot of ultrasonic no

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread Themis
mortslim;518005 Wrote: > > I pointed out that as far as I am aware, a computer does not have the > technical ability to "rip" an SACD and that a digital out of an SACD > player has built-in copy protection and therefore the only possible way > to create a computer file from an SACD would be thro

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread Themis
tcutting;517912 Wrote: > Nice history lesson on recording technology... thanks for the time to > post! Yes, nice copy-paste from Wikipedia... :D -- Themis SB3 - North Star dac 192 - Croft 25Pre and Series 7 power - Sonus Faber Grand Piano Domus

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Unofficial official Release Date

2010-02-17 Thread tomasito
what's the latest about the date of release... silence would mean it's not realeasing any soon, or logitech would have made a big buzz about it -- tomasito tomasito's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?useri

[SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192 is pointless was 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread Pat Farrell
Starting a new thread because most of this discussion has little to nothing to do with the future Touch mortslim wrote: > Why is he worried about a perfect doubling of a CD’s sample rate > compared to the immensely complex mathematics in converting 1 bit, > 2822.4 kHz to 24 bit, 88.2 kHz? And sin

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread mortslim
P.S. The studio owner is a mastering engineer, not an electrical engineer. The difference? An electrical engineer has a mastery of the math. Larry Gopnik: So, uh, what can I do for you? Clive Park: Uh, Dr. Gopnik, I believe the results of physics mid-term were unjust. Larry Gopnik: Uh-huh, h

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread mortslim
I have confirmed from another phone call that indeed HDtracks does NOT get the higher resolution masters from the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. I spoke to the owner of the recording studio that does work for HDtracks. This studio claims to have the professional equipment that converts the SACD’s

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch "control" Alternative? Sony "Dash"?

2010-02-17 Thread andynormancx
As long as it has a half decent web browser than you should have some success using just the skin for Squeezebox Server called "Touch". To try the skin out just add "Touch" to the end of the URL that you normally access Squeezebox Server via. The Touch screen was designed for the touch screen dev

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread mortslim
DaveWr;517943 Wrote: > They also have higher resolution masters. Well, well, well The plot thickens !!! I just got off the phone with the Chicago Symphony Orchestra Resound Coordinator. He said that HDtracks does NOT have access to the higher resolution masters from his organization. HDt

[SlimDevices: Touch] Touch "control" Alternative? Sony "Dash"?

2010-02-17 Thread chrislemasters
I was planning to use the Touch as a wall-mounted controller for two Radios (no plan to use the tiny server or connect a NAS). While waiting for the release, I've been contemplating other options for the "touch screen controller" solution - something larger than an iPod Touch, something that woul

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch emulation in squeezeplay

2010-02-17 Thread ulvi
why is it that the title format in squeezeplay (and, i am assuming, in touch) not customizable? I would like to have the same customized scrolling title formatted as i have in my current squeezebox classic. currently on squeezeplay this display appears to have the fixed format of "TITLE" only (unl

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Touch, USB drive, NAS and iPhone/iPeng

2010-02-17 Thread JohnSwenson
Just to clarify, IF you use the server builtin to the Touch it will not read a NAS, BUT if you install the server on the NAS box you can use the Touch with it. I recommend a vortexbox for this, it has the drive, the computer to run the NAS software, builtin Squeezebox Server and an optical drive

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread Phil Leigh
temerini;517935 Wrote: > I really don't understand it!! Why are you argue the benefit of higher > resolution? I just want wider compatibility. I don't want to download > something that was recorded in 1978 on 14-bit digital Sony video tape, > but if I have some really high quality recording in 24

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread mortslim
DaveWr;517943 Wrote: > I accept their FAQ is inadequate, but I hope you are not suggesting that > they are just upsampling. I am speculating based upon my interpretation of their own explanaton on their own website, and I am using terms such as "may" "apparently" and "if". All I know is what I

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread Themis
mortslim;517910 Wrote: > ... > (Some long explanations, I wonder about what) > ... This doesn't tell me in which aspect recording equipment was "worse" 30 years ago. In you long "explanation" I see nothing about sound quality differences that could make it through the editing process end to the c

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread temerini
mortslim;517944 Wrote: > 1. I am not aware of any content that was ORIGINALLY recorded and made > commercially available at that resolution. > > Even if it was available, > > 2. Most people over the age of 30 couldn't hear anything beyond 24/48 > anyway. 1. Visit Chesky Records', Linn's and HD

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread DaveWr
mortslim;517944 Wrote: > 1. I am not aware of any content that was ORIGINALLY recorded and made > commercially available at that resolution. > > http://www.linnrecords.com/recording-fernando-sor-early-works.aspx And many many more from Linn. Dave -- DaveWr

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread Pat Farrell
mortslim wrote: > 1. I am not aware of any content that was ORIGINALLY recorded and made > commercially available at that resolution. I agree with this. > Even if it was available, > > 2. Most people over the age of 30 couldn't hear anything beyond 24/48 > anyway. I do not agree with this. I wi

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread mortslim
temerini;517935 Wrote: > if I have some really high quality recording in 24/192 format 1. I am not aware of any content that was ORIGINALLY recorded and made commercially available at that resolution. Even if it was available, 2. Most people over the age of 30 couldn't hear anything beyond 24/

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread DaveWr
mortslim;517940 Wrote: > The orchestra’s own website states: “High Definition downloads available > at hdtracks.com “ > > At the HDtracks website, it says: > > “When you purchase an HDtracks file, it is the same quality as a > store-purchased CD.” > > And > > “To really get the most benefit o

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread mortslim
R Johnson;517863 Wrote: > As a Chicago Symphony subscriber, I'm particularly interested in their > new recordings from concert performances as issued on the "CSO Resound" > label. These are available on SACD, CD and downloads. I've downloaded > one disc in 24/88.2 but haven't yet had the playbac

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread temerini
Phil Leigh;517890 Wrote: > I think you are missing the point. There's no point in downloading a > 24/192 version of something that was recorded in 1978 on 14-bit digital > Sony video tape! > > Or even of stuff from earlier that was recorded on analogue tape with a > frequency response that maxed

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread tcutting
Nice history lesson on recording technology... thanks for the time to post! -- tcutting tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.p

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread mortslim
Themis;517780 Wrote: > What was "worse" in the recording equipment 30 years ago ? Basic history of audio recording quality: (this post doesn’t even touch on studies showing that the vast majority of listeners over age 30 can’t even hear better quality above 24 bit/48 kHz) Storage medium: On M

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread Phil Leigh
temerini;517882 Wrote: > But who cares CD or DVD-A??? These are dead formats. If everybody > download music, record companies could sell music without truncation an > downsampling, as Linn, Chesky and some others do. I think you are missing the point. There's no point in downloading a 24/192 ver

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread temerini
mortslim;517708 Wrote: > I read the website for referencerecordings. From what I see, this > company sells CD's. By definition, CD's are 16bit/44.1kHz. No matter > how much hocus pocus fancy terminology is used to describe the audio > characteristics of the recordings, it is still 16/44.1. It

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Doesn't make sense to me...

2010-02-17 Thread aubuti
yerma;517866 Wrote: > That is, unless they're planning a Duet2, something like a Touch > (including USB-drive support and TinySC), but without a display, plus > the Controller. > > That would be some helluva device, as it would give beginners an easy > entry into the world of Squeezebox, and not

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Doesn't make sense to me...

2010-02-17 Thread yerma
svtdoug;517678 Wrote: > It would not be so bad if they were not discontinuing the Duet, but now > that will leave a real gap in their product line. That is, unless they're planning a Duet2, something like a Touch (including USB-drive support and TinySC), but without a display, plus the Controlle

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread R Johnson
mortslim;517721 Wrote: > You have to ask what equipment was used to RECORD this music. If the > recordings are more than about 20 years old, a higher bit rate and > sample rate won't help because the original recording equipment did not > have the required fidelity. As a Chicago Symphony subsc

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Doesn't make sense to me...

2010-02-17 Thread andynormancx
dave77;517793 Wrote: > Are they discontinuing the Controller too? We don't know. The email quoted did not say that the Controller was being discontinued. It also didn't say that the Duet package was being discontinued, despite what some people have been managing to read into it. The only thing

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] Doesn't make sense to me...

2010-02-17 Thread dave77
svtdoug;517678 Wrote: > First off, Logitech has discontinued the SB Receiver and will be > discontinuing the Duet soon - see > http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=75201&page=2 - where they > discuss the fate of the Duet. It becomes clear that Logitech is > planning to replace the Duet

Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] 24/192

2010-02-17 Thread Themis
mortslim;517721 Wrote: > You have to ask what equipment was used to RECORD this music. If the > recordings are more than about 20 years old, a higher bit rate and > sample rate won't help because the original recording equipment did not > have the required fidelity. Can you please elaborate ?