Good questions,
Caroline. Stay tuned. Your confusion will soon come to an end---if you really
want it to. (Or you can remain in it, like your “enlightened” buddies.)
Izzy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong
Sent: Wed
I'm a complicated person. It sounds like faith is
another kind of work.
Love,
Caroline
- Original Message -
From:
Terry Clifton
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 6:04
PM
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Death,
Destruction, and Hell
C
But what if the person dies in his/her
unforgiveness? Would he or she end up in heaven, hell or somewhere in
between?
Love,
Caroline
- Original Message -
From:
Judy
Taylor
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, Ma
David Miller:
The trend has been to transliterate the words, so that
instead of hell, we read "Sheol" in the OT and "Hades" in the NT. The
result is that some modern translations do not have the word "hell" anywhere
in the Bible at all! Isn't that strange. This is done under the guise of
making the
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
So Perry.getting back to Goddo you really think a Perfect
Parent would want to eternally torture their wayward children? To
me./that /is illogical.
No. As I said before, God would like for NONE of us to perish...you
intentionally cast God i
DaveH, if you were to stop reading that heretical Momron literature and
forming your own personal opinions of how you would like for God to be, and
to begin to study the Bible in light of itself, not extrabiblical LDS
references, you would come to a clear understanding of what God has revealed
For any other reason than that you cannot
justify your position? Or is your theology too high for us mere humans to
understand, Lance? Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005
2:02 PM
To: TruthTalk@mail.inngl
Caroline Wong wrote:
Would you say that we should add
that a person has to forgive in addition to accepting Jesus as Saviour
in order to be saved. Or is Paul more correct in saying that we are
saved by grace through faith alone.
Love,
Caroline
You might look at it
Hi again Caroline:
I say yes - that is, salvation is walking in
forgiveness toward others because when we will not forgive them God is unwilling
to forgive us. Reaping what one sows is a scriptural
principle. Resentment leads to bitterness and a root of bitterness
springing up defiles ma
Did any of you get a chance to see Nightline's interview with Michael
Shiavo? I'm wondering if any of you support Michael Shiavo's desire not to
allow Terri's parents and brother to keep feeding her. Are any of you
surprised that he has turned down $10 million and $1 million offers to let
the
I don't play with truth Lance and I've not been
playing 'ping-pong' as you call it with you anyone else so far as I'm
concerned. Decidedly trying to engage you in any kind of
responsible dialogue is a big waste of time because you are
in some type of extra-biblical
delusion. However, hop
I come from a more conservative church although it would still look liberal to Americans LOL.
NO, I would have never guessed!
Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Thank you Judy;
Yes, I'm Canadian and I do know Lance and Debbie. I come from a more conservative church although it would
Whether one burns forever in "Hell" or "Hades" won't matter a hill of beans to those that are burning.David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Caroline wrote:> The King James bible translated certain words in> the OT as hell that later scholars feel should be> properly rendered as the grave or sheol
Many shall say Lord Lord!Caroline Wong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Someone asked about Jeffrey Dahmer - or at least that's who I think the poster was referring to when he said homo cannibal.
If Jeffrey Dahmer accepted Jesus and if he called upon the name of Jesus and pled the blood of Christ,
I most certainly am!
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 16, 2005 14:21
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not "
loving"?
You are rebuffing my
repeated requests for YOUR take on His Word. Izzy
David Miller:
No, Caroline. The "Sinner's prayer" is not mentioned anywhere in the
Bible.
Modern theologians and talking about evangelism has confused you. The
Bible
teaches that men need to repent of their sins and believe upon Christ.
This
is a life changing event. The gospel of Paul teache
David Miller wrote:
Jesus was the one who truly revealed to us the
tortuous nature of hell. He spoke about hell (Sheol / Hades) in Luke 16,
describing it as a place of torment. In Mark 9, he tells us that in hell
(Gehenna) "their worm dieth not and the fire is not quenched." In Mat.
25,
he spea
Thanks Dave;
Tis neither courage nor will. It's time that is the
enemy!
Love,
Caroline
- Original Message -
From:
Dave Hansen
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 9:08
AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc
Paint Shop Photo
Thank you Judy;
Yes, I'm Canadian and I do know Lance and
Debbie. I come from a more conservative church although it would still
look liberal to Americans LOL.
In the parable of the unforgiving servant (Matt 18)
Jesus says that unless we forgive, God will send us to hell. Or is it hell that
You are rebuffing my repeated requests for
YOUR take on His Word. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005
10:30 AM
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow
way not " loving"?
No
We have been 'down this road' 436,000 (anyone for a
glass of hyperbole?) times previously David, demonstrating his
characteristic patience, 'walked you through this distinction some time
ago. By the by, David just might be the best player of 'biblical
ping-pong' on TT.
Gary's 'Dylanesque'
DaveH wrote:
> It is one thing to spank your kid and send him to his
> room for the night. It is another to toss him into a
> boiling cauldron knowing that he will be screaming
> in torment due to physical pain forever. If any Christian
> wanted to do that to his child.I would question
Caroline wrote:
> Who we were and what we did have no bearing
> on God isn't it? It's just the one criteria - did he
> or didn't he say the Sinner's prayer isn't it?
No, Caroline. The "Sinner's prayer" is not mentioned anywhere in the Bible.
Modern theologians and talking about evangelism has co
Caroline wrote:
> The King James bible translated certain words in
> the OT as hell that later scholars feel should be
> properly rendered as the grave or sheol.
Sheol is the Hebrew word translated as "hell" in the KJV, but this does not
mean that it is equivalent to "grave." The Hebrews had ano
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 11:29:36 -0500 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
No! I'm 'rebuffing', as you put it, YOUR TAKE on
His Word.
How can you call the following "Izzy's take"? Did Jesus speak these words
or didn't He? I have many translations and these words
are not missing (i
No! I'm 'rebuffing', as you put it, YOUR TAKE on
His Word.
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 16, 2005 08:04
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not "
loving"?
You seem to think
that offering your opinio
- Original Message -
From: Caroline
Wong
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 16, 2005 09:50
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Eternal Judgmentg
Someone asked about Jeffrey Dahmer - or at least
that's who I think the poster was referring to when he said homo cannibal.
If Jeffr
DAVEH: Likewise...welcome to TT Caroline! It is nice to hear a
fresh voice around here.hope you have the courage (and will) to
stay. :-)
Caroline Wong wrote:
Caroline
-
--
~~~
Dave Hansen
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.langlitz.com
~~~
Welcome to TT Caroline,
Is it safe to assume from your address that you
are Canadian also and that you have a similar worldview to that of Debbie,
Lance and Jonathan? (do you know them?) and is your understanding similar to
theirs with everything hinging on 'word meanings and greater
conc
Lance Muir wrote:
-
Original Message -
From:
Debbie
Sawczak
To: Lance Muir
Sent: March 15, 2005 15:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album
5 images]
Since it's March Break, the kids are
home. I walked in to hear Caspian playing
Someone asked about Jeffrey Dahmer - or at least
that's who I think the poster was referring to when he said homo cannibal.
If Jeffrey Dahmer accepted Jesus and if he called
upon the name of Jesus and pled the blood of Christ, God would have to love him
and say to him, "welcome my son" wo
Sorry about the previous empty reply!
The King James bible translated certain words in
the OT as hell that later scholars feel should be properly rendered as the grave
or sheol. All the modern translations do not use the word 'hell' in the OT
because the modern word no longer means what the
In which the "larger context" would be the object of
worship or idol and citations anathema? jt
On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 06:38:13 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
That might be a valid
criticism except for one thing, Lance: You continue to refuse to explain what
the
Maybe he is unsure just exactly what he meant.ShieldsFamily <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
That might be a valid criticism except for one thing, Lance: You continue to refuse to explain what the scriptures mean to you. I have asked for your input and you have ignored my repeated requests. I
- Original Message -
From:
Kevin
Deegan
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005 7:12
AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc
Paint Shop Photo Album 5 images]
I
don't believe there are ever times when God doesn't
love
One can accurately reflect Scripture and, the Heart of God, without a citation.
Long ago & far away no one is sure just when, but there was A citation back in the misty past.
Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We'd all appreciate having a friend like yourself. One who acts as an advocat
I don't believe there are ever times when God doesn't love
Pr 1:7 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction
PS 64:9 And all men shall fear, and shall declare the work of God; for they shall wisely consider of his doing.
Joshua 4 That all the peop
You seem to think that offering your opinion
absent any scripture trumps anyone else’s opinion. You think you can be “open”
to the Holy Spirit while rebuffing His Word? You call having scriptural
foundation for one’s faith “Biblical ping-pong”. You forget
how many have died martyr’s death
"We"? Some, you among them, actually seem to
think that 'Biblical ping-pong', absent any internal dynamism (openness to the
Spirit), is a useful enterprise. Play on.
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 16, 2005 07:5
Typical snide remark in an attempt to
dodge my valid questions regarding your scriptural basis for your beliefs.
Doesn’t work, Lance. We can see through you like cellophane. You have
chosen Humanism over Scripture. Izzy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Beha
MIGHT be? Brighten the corner where you are,
Linda.
- Original Message -
From:
ShieldsFamily
To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: March 16, 2005 07:38
Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not "
loving"?
That might be a valid
criticism except for one th
That might be a valid criticism except for
one thing, Lance: You continue to refuse to explain what the scriptures mean to
you. I have asked for your input
and you have ignored my repeated requests. I can only assume that you reject
the plain words of Jesus in order to believe what you ca
Izzy says: (my interpretation of her) Anyone who
does not view this matter as I have come to understand it through my reading of
Scripture is simply disagreeing with God Himself. Therefore, no dialogue is
necessary. One need only read my citations. Case closed.
- Original Message -
My suggestion stands. Your refusal
to even offer scriptural basis for your opinions are proof that your last sentence
is incorrect: Day 3 and waiting. Izzy
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir
Sent: Wednesday, March 16, 2005
6:15 AM
To: Trut
DAVEH is it just for God to forever physically torture that person?
Pr 26:10 The great God that formed all things both rewardeth the fool, and rewardeth transgressors.
RM 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast tho
We'd all appreciate having a friend like yourself.
One who acts as an advocate is truly a friend. He (David) however, is quite
capable of speaking for himself, I believe.
One can accurately reflect Scripture and, the Heart
of God, without a citation.
- Original Message -
From
ShieldsFamily wrote:
DaveH and Lance, You are arguing with
Jesus, not DM, Jt, Kevin and Izzy. You condemn us for believing Jesus.
DAVEH: Excuse me, Izzy. I've never
condemned anybody for believing Jesus. If
you sincerely think I have, please explain where and how I did so.
By r
I suggest that no one should respond to
Smithson when he is being snide and nasty, and utilizing ad hom’s instead
of scripture as his basis for argument. Izzy
The Smithmeister responds: I will once again
pretend I am on a discussion group rather than a Dav
1. Literal - John Walvoord
2. Metaphorical - William V. Crockett
3. Purgatorial-Zachary J. Hayes
4. Conditional-Clark H. Pinnock
and,
5. 'If Grace is True - Why God Will Save Every
Person' Philip Gulley and James Mulholland, Harper, 2004
and,
6. 'The Rod, Will God Spare It? An Exhaustiv
- Original Message -
From: Debbie Sawczak
To: Lance Muir
Sent: March 15, 2005 15:02
Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Jasc Paint Shop Photo Album 5
images]
Since it's March Break, the kids are home. I walked
in to hear Caspian playing his guitar, recording his own music upstairs on hi
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