Re: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   My latest post is in GREEN [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/5/2005 8:54:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:  If you really don't want to continue, John...so be it.  But I would still like to know why you do not consider your

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Thanx for educating me on this, DavidM.  Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH:  Do the religions you mentioned have a similar literal burning context that is assumed by many Christians? David Miller wrote: DaveH wrote: > Are there other  religions (Muslim, Buddhis

Re: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
David Miller wrote: DaveH wrote: > Or could they have been (metaphorically) driven out. > IOWPerhaps they were a little more sensitive than > me to the pressure of some to exclude from TT those > who have opposing opinions. Good point, maybe kind of like the o

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, I am honest with my responses to you. It is not hypocritical for me to ask for a prooftext. If you asked me the wife/dog question I would answer "neither...next question". That is a valid answer, and gives the correct response. You answered that you do not know of any Mormon position with

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
David Miller wrote: DaveH wrote: > Do you not think there may have been at least > one TT who is eager for me to burn in hell because > I refuse to accept their theological beliefs?   No, I don't think so, but I could very well be wrong. DAVEH:  Perhaps I'm a bit more

Re: [TruthTalk] Meet Judge Greer's Pastor

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 9:53:34 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wasn't going to answer to these posts originally because Proverbs 9 said to never correct or rebuke a mocker as that will only generate more insults and hate. thanks for this.  Jd

Re: [TruthTalk] Meet Judge Greer's Pastor

2005-04-05 Thread Debbie Sawczak
You're right. Truly sorry about that, Caroline (and everybody).   Debbie   - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Wednesday, April 06, 2005 1:33 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Meet Judge Greer's Pastor I'm surprised

Re: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 8:54:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:  If you really don't want to continue, John...so be it.  But I would still like to know why you do not consider yourself a Protestant.  Which of the reasons mentioned in your definition. a mem

Re: [TruthTalk] Meet Judge Greer's Pastor

2005-04-05 Thread Caroline Wong
I'm surprised Izzy Googled the word and thought she found us. I Googled Izzy and found a lot of interesting Izzies but I won't jump to the conclusion that I've found her. I thought Lance made it clear that it's an ad hoc meeting of women of various churches/denomination meeting to talk theol

Re: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 8:54:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:  If you really don't want to continue, John...so be it.  But I would still like to know why you do not consider yourself a Protestant.  Which of the reasons mentioned in your definition. a mem

Re: [TruthTalk] Meet Judge Greer's Pastor

2005-04-05 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Sweetie, you have to enclose the phrase in quotation marks when you Google in order to conjure only the sites where the two words actually occur side by side. When you do that, you get zero hits. I realize that still offers you no Christian content, but at least zero is squeaky clean.   What

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:    Ahhh Izzy'ave ya bin smokin' peyote again?!?!?!   :-D ShieldsFamily wrote: From one of our most astute communicators, indeed…..Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, Apri

Re: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  If you really don't want to continue, John...so be it.  But I would still like to know why you do not consider yourself a Protestant.  Which of the reasons mentioned in your definition. a member of any of several church denominations denying the universal authority of the Pope

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
David Miller wrote: Terry wrote: ... the Church for the last two thousand or so years has been built on the originals. One foundation for one building is the usual ratio. I think the Roman Catholic Church is responsible for perpetuating the idea of ONE CHURCH existing t

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 3:29:23 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ignore the ignorant, pls; this post is v insightful, D; (in its intended context) a valuable reference relative to reading/writing email on TT   thank you v much for this post!     g :: tt moderator   O

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 2:39:59 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Debbie Sawczak wrote: Some things to consider with regard to communication:   A text, whether spoken or written, is not itself a message but only a vehicle for a message. Also, it is not independent of speak

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 12:59:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't want to be a tattle tale but, did you know that the guy who wrote this post and the one who responded both have some of the writings of Karl Barth. Do you think that might account for them thinking that

Re: [TruthTalk] Apostasy

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 9:51:37 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hugs and kisses  --  from Bill, not me.   Jd That's not funny. sorry  -  it will never happen again. JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 9:48:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John writes   >  In Hebrews 10.16ff, there is a presumption by Divine revelation  --   that sin is only forgiven in the offering of sacrifice.  We do not catch the importance of this fact.   ONLY IN THE OFFERI

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 9:48:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John, this is really good. I don't know if I would call confession, prayer, and repentance "substitutes" for sacrificial offering Bill,  I blew it and wrote a correction.   I meant to say  that these were

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 8:53:18 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John had defined legalism in the following way: >It is the imposition of their interpretations upon others >and the elevation of their understanding to the status >of Ex-Cathedra. David  --  here you go agai

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
Judy, do me a favor and pick one paragraph of thought that you would like to pursue.   . Jd In a message dated 4/5/2005 1:51:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 02:26:11 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy The reason why I asked the question; the

Re: [TruthTalk] Correction to Grace post -- JD to Judy

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/5/2005 1:58:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I never thought they were but each has it's place and "sacrificial offering" in no way negates repentance, confession, and prayer.  What about 1 John 1:9? Judy, what forgives sins  -- the single and "once f

Re: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
We have an earlier post  (this evening) that is a much better start than this one.  You want me to be a Portestant, no argument.   Call me anything you want  --  just don't don't call me late to dinner.   Let's trash this post  --  shall we?  Jd In a message dated 4/4/2005 10:38:55 PM Pacific

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread ttxpress
thank you!--this is one of the nicest things you've ever posted, Izzy   g   On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 17:50:27 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: From one of our most astute communicators, indeed…..Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [TruthTalk] Apostasy

2005-04-05 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 4/4/2005 8:58:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 3/29/2005 10:00:43 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DAVEH:   Is this a commonly accepted theory of Protestantism?  LDS folks believe such thi

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
From one of our most astute communicators, indeed…..Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 4:26 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth  

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
It seems that the ones most into “relationship” have the hardest time communicating. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:55 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: R

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Oh, and Judy, just to clarify: I really was talking about ordinary communication between people. The same factors are involved in studying Scripture, but supernature does open up other considerations.   Debbie   - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Oh dear, you drew a very Murphy-esque conclusion, Terry! And it of course illustrates the point--I note a tremendous lack of confidence (cf my second-last paragraph). Communication actually does happen in spades--praise be. Lots of people even get a pretty coherent message from Barth and a

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread ttxpress
ignore the ignorant, pls; this post is v insightful, D; (in its intended context) a valuable reference relative to reading/writing email on TT   thank you v much for this post!     g :: tt moderator   On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 16:51:50 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: So

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
Did it wake you up Lance?  The problem is much larger than Karl Barth but he is part of it.  The OT is quoted all over the New.  Jesus quoted it constantly -- How do you suppose He missed the following?  Jesus and Paul and all the apostles missed it.  It took the genius of Barth to point it

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
You've got it Terry - why anyone would take such a wonderful and life-giving Word of Truth and try to make it so complicated and convoluted - is a mystery, but certainly not the mystery of godliness  judyt   On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 16:38:59 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: In

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Debbie Sawczak wrote: Some things to consider with regard to communication:   A text, whether spoken or written, is not itself a message but only a vehicle for a message. Also, it is not independent of speaker and hearer. In fact, in any act of discourse, we have to recognize

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Some things to consider with regard to communication:   A text, whether spoken or written, is not itself a message but only a vehicle for a message. Also, it is not independent of speaker and hearer. In fact, in any act of discourse, we have to recognize not only the message but: the sender

RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
DaveH, I think there are a whole LOT of folks on TT who are hoping exactly the OPPOSITE; that you will be saved and go to heaven.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:02 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
Don't want to be a tattle tale but, did you know that the guy who wrote this post and the one who responded both have some of the writings of Karl Barth. Do you think that might account for them thinking that they, along with the 'K-man' himself, know more than Paul? That's not as bad, mind

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 10:47:42 -0600 "Bill Taylor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: John, this is really good. I don't know if I would call confession, prayer, and repentance "substitutes" for sacrificial offering, but I certainly understand what you are attempting to convey. I notice s

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread David Miller
DaveH wrote: > Do the religions you mentioned have a similar literal > burning context that is assumed by many Christians? Yes, for the most part they do. However, they do have varying ideas about how long one stays there. Buddhism, for example, teaches reincarnation, so the person who goes to

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread David Miller
Terry wrote: > ... the Church for the last two thousand or > so years has been built on the originals. > One foundation for one building is the usual ratio. I think the Roman Catholic Church is responsible for perpetuating the idea of ONE CHURCH existing through the last two millenia. When I rea

Re: [TruthTalk] Perfect Church?

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
Redeemed BUT STILL HUMAN! In THAT way. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 05, 2005 13:54 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perfect Church? Lance wrote: > Just as the majority of Christians are corrupted in some

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread David Miller
DaveH wrote: > Do you not think there may have been at least > one TT who is eager for me to burn in hell because > I refuse to accept their theological beliefs?   No, I don't think so, but I could very well be wrong.   David Miller wrote: > Also, sometimes grieving people who are not even >

Re: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice

2005-04-05 Thread David Miller
DaveH wrote: > Or could they have been (metaphorically) driven out.> IOWPerhaps they were a little more sensitive than > me to the pressure of some to exclude from TT those > who have opposing opinions. Good point, maybe kind of like the other Mormons who no longer post here.  How d

Re: [TruthTalk] Perfect Church?

2005-04-05 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > Just as the majority of Christians are corrupted in some > way. Yes, I'm serious. Yes, that includes you   Do you think I am corrupted in some way?  If so, in what way?   Peace be with you.David Miller.

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Do the religions you mentioned have a similar literal burning context that is assumed by many Christians? David Miller wrote: DaveH wrote: > Are there other  religions (Muslim, Buddhist or whatever) > that offer such a belief?   Yes.  Muslims and Jews both have tea

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread David Miller
DaveH wrote: > Are there other  religions (Muslim, Buddhist or whatever) > that offer such a belief?   Yes.  Muslims and Jews both have teachings about the judgment of hell.  So do the Greek pagan religions. Buddhism and Hinduism also have teachings about hell.   Peace be with you.David Mille

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Bill Taylor
JT opines  >  Aside from scripture Jesus has said nothing to our generation Lance - so where do you go from here?    What about when prophets, like David Miller, speak: Is that not a word from Jesus to our generation?   Bill - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: T

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Dave Hansen wrote: Terry Clifton wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH:  That seems somewhat contradictory to what Paul described in Eph 2:19-20, where the fellowcitizens with the saints and the household of God (is that not referring to the greater co

RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
ShieldsFamily wrote: Myth..   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:17 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?   'They' are, in reality, saying/meaning wha

Re: [TruthTalk] Apostasy

2005-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Bill Taylor wrote: Hugs and kisses  --  from Bill, not me.    Jd   That's not funny. === Nothing wrong (and everything right) with hugs and kisses that are holy.  How else would a brother or sister greet another

Re: [TruthTalk] Apostasy

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   Don't worry Bill.Nobody on TT is going to think for a second that you or any other TTer will kiss up to this Mormon boy. Bill Taylor wrote: Hugs and kisses  --  from Bill, not me.    Jd   That's not funny. - Original Message - From: [

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:   Myth..???  Are you suggesting that some Christians do not think, act and behave this way, Izzy? ShieldsFamily wrote: Myth..   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:17 AM To: Truth

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
Terry Clifton wrote: Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH:  That seems somewhat contradictory to what Paul described in Eph 2:19-20, where the fellowcitizens with the saints and the household of God (is that not referring to the greater congregation of the Church as a whole?) wer

Re: [TruthTalk] Apostasy

2005-04-05 Thread Bill Taylor
Hugs and kisses  --  from Bill, not me.    Jd   That's not funny. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 12:33 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Apostasy Dave Hansen,  good to hear from you.  We

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism

2005-04-05 Thread Bill Taylor
John writes   >   In Hebrews 10.16ff, there is a presumption by Divine revelation  --   that sin is only forgiven in the offering of sacrifice.  We do not catch the importance of this fact.   ONLY IN THE OFFERING OF A SACRIFICE IS THERE TO BE FORGIVENESS.   That is why sacrifice has been wit

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
David Miller wrote: DaveH wrote: > "I hope you burn in hell" Do you think there > have been any TTers who've hoped for such...?   No.   You have to be careful about news reports like this.  They often mischaracterize what was actually said. DAVEH:   I never said

Re: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Or could they have been (metaphorically) driven out.     IOWPerhaps they were a little more sensitive than me to the pressure of some to exclude from TT those who have opposing opinions. David Miller wrote: Lance wrote: > To my knowledge there are no Roman Cat

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
Charles Perry Locke wrote: Dave, I do not want to lampoon you...I want to lampoon your belief system. DAVEH: Ahha minor distinction. My wanting a prooftext is not hypocritical... DAVEH: Really? Asking such a leading question of me in that manner is a very pointed attack, as I see it.

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread David Miller
DaveH wrote: > "I hope you burn in hell" Do you think there > have been any TTers who've hoped for such...?   No.   You have to be careful about news reports like this.  They often mischaracterize what was actually said.  Also, sometimes grieving people who are not even Christians say such t

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism

2005-04-05 Thread David Miller
John wrote: >>> Are you thinking that Jesus was a legalist >>> using my definition? David wrote: >> Yes. Gary wrote: > myth (this is the typical mind set of those who've rationalized JC as > ~equal to Moses) John had defined legalism in the following way: > It is the imposition of their interpr

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  One would hope so, Lance.  However, history is replete with Christians doing heinous acts in the name of God to assist their perceived foes in their journey to hell.   Were not the Crusades fought by sincere believers in Jesus?  And were not witches burned in Salem by those Bible believ

Re: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
They shop in our store regularly. Your observation does not concur with mine. But, there was more of a 'personal' connection here in the store. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 05, 2005 11:22 Subject: Re: [TruthT

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
Judy Taylor wrote: Not as I like it - but what Jesus says about it.  He's either the Truth or He isn't.  Sadly it appears His Words don't carry much weight these days in some circles.  As for DavH's observation - why would you think that these are Christian ppl Dave? DAVEH: 

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave, I do not want to lampoon you...I want to lampoon your belief system. My wanting a prooftext is not hypocritical...I believe that the Mormon view of this is heretical and that there is no biblical support for this position, so any scripture you quote would be a prooftext. I want to know wha

Re: [TruthTalk] Loving and Merciful God of Justice

2005-04-05 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > To my knowledge there are no Roman Catholic > or Orthodox participants.   Just for the record, we have had both Roman Catholic and Orthodox participants on TruthTalk, but none of them lasted very long.  :-)  I think people in those sects of Christianity embrace authority and

Re: [TruthTalk] Perfect Church?

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
Just as the majority of Christians are corrupted in some way. Yes, I'm serious. Yes, that includes youfill in the blank. - Original Message - From: David Miller To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 05, 2005 11:20 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Perfect

Re: [TruthTalk] Perfect Church?

2005-04-05 Thread David Miller
DaveH wrote: > You said that as though the possibility of a > perfect church no longer exists, or will exist > in the future.  Is that the way you view it, DavidM?    No, I do believe that there are some perfect churches out there.  The majority of churches are corrupted in some way.   Peace

Re: [TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-05 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  My, you do have an active imagination, Perry.  Except for the belief that God is an exalted being that has a physical body of flesh and bone (that houses a spiritual body), which is taught by LDS theologythe rest that you've mentioned below is pure speculation and not supported by a

[TruthTalk] [Fwd: [Fwd: [Infinite Supply] Tuesday, April 05, 2005]]

2005-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
http://www.watchman.net/articles/enemies.html -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do not want to receive posts from this list, send an email to [EMAIL PROTEC

RE: [TruthTalk] Meet Judge Greer's Pastor

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
Is that because you’re the entertainment, Lance? (BTW, I Google’d Ontario Babefest, and was NOT impressed by the Christian content.  I think I’ll take a pass.) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:32 AM To

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 07:21:05 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: On being 'smarter' (your word): No, just smarter than you. God, in reality, comes closer to agreeing with KB on this one.   Said by a true Karl Barth disciple; God is the source of Jesus Words and Jesu

RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
ShieldsFamily wrote: This non-Jew, non-Catholic, non-Cult, Christ-Follower sees it this way:  The true Church never was and never will be an Institution or Organization. DAVEH:  Do you have any Biblical evidence to offer, Izzy?   1 Timothy 3:15 but in case I am delayed, I write so tha

RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
Myth..   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, April 05, 2005 3:17 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?   'They' are, in reality, saying/meaning what you've ascribed to them.

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread Terry Clifton
Dave Hansen wrote: DAVEH:  That seems somewhat contradictory to what Paul described in Eph 2:19-20, where the fellowcitizens with the saints and the household of God (is that not referring to the greater congregation of the Church as a whole?) were given a foundation of apostles and p

RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
J DAVEH:  Thanx Debbie.  Sin City is a tough place to spend a few days.   May I suggest that a lessor man (such as John, perhaps) may have succumbed while I was able to withstand the brutal forces trying to suck money out of my pocket    ;-)

RE: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread ShieldsFamily
And, if notdo you believe they will be tossed into a physical lake of fire to be physically tortured forever because they do not accept Jesus as you do, Izzy? Not because they “don’t accept Jesus as I do”, but because they don’t accept Jesus as He said you must. So believing Jesus’ w

[TruthTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work

2005-04-05 Thread Charles Perry Locke
Dave (and Blaine if you are still around), I have been wondering this for a few days, and need you help to understand it. The mormon god is an exalted man, of flesh and bones, right? And, he has multiple (would you say a thousand or so?) spiritual wives, right? And, he has sex with them (or

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
Q:When we misapprehend the meaning of a fellow TTer, just what is going on between Us & them as to words/language? David Miller is perhaps the best one to reference when making this point. He engages JS and BT ad nauseum on the smallest of points. He deems these distinctions to be of great i

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
On being 'smarter' (your word): No, just smarter than you. God, in reality, comes closer to agreeing with KB on this one.   He (Jesus) is THE WORD OF GOD. If, by the by, you are in need of a paddle, I'm sure that someone on TT could be of assistance.   On 'feeling the Spirit moving in you'.

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
Here we go again ... back to the old smoke screen - "different meanings" - "enlightenment thinking".  There are different 'doctrines' of men out there Lance but God's Word says what it says as is and until you are willing to humble yourself and come to the Word of Truth to learn rather than

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 06:32:42 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Response to my portion:'what Jesus says about it' (to read:my particular understanding'interpretation of..) Amen by the way as He was, is and, will be the truth. That was Karl Barth's point in the fictitio

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
Firstly, our Mormon 'brethren' will be heartened by your biblical citation. Secondly, one should always prefer the words of Jesus (to read Scripture) over KB or DM or DH or LM or LS or BT or JT or JS or CW or DS. It is the 'meaning' you apprehend through those words that is the issue at hand

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
I'm interested in what Jesus (The Word of God) says Lance, and unlike you I believe He is able to give understanding in spite of all the complicated issues you have raised in the past because His Word says "If any of you lack wisdom let him ask of God that giveth to all men liberally, and upb

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
Response to my portion:'what Jesus says about it' (to read:my particular understanding'interpretation of..) Amen by the way as He was, is and, will be the truth. That was Karl Barth's point in the fictitious interview. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTal

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
Not as I like it - but what Jesus says about it.  He's either the Truth or He isn't.  Sadly it appears His Words don't carry much weight these days in some circles.  As for DavH's observation - why would you think that these are Christian ppl Dave?  Jesus told the 'sons of thunder' who wante

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
The opinion of others when differing with mine, yours or, Karl's is of course 'flawed'. Isn't that, Judy, the very point of your various responses to this and other posts? - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.in

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
Is this actually taken from Barth's theology Lance?   On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 05:28:19 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: KB: Likely so, but we are not God, so that the best we can say is that it would seem so. Hebrew 4:12 puts it that the text, under these conditions, is like a dou

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
OK, 'as you like it'. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 05, 2005 05:38 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"? Not so Lance, I have it on good authority that i

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
Not so Lance, I have it on good authority that it is out of the abundance that fills the heart that the mouth speaks (Matt 12:34, Luke 6:45) - Discernment 101  jt   On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 05:16:42 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: 'They' are, in reality, saying/meaning what you've

Re: [TruthTalk] Meet Judge Greer's Pastor

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
This is NOT a 'bookstore babefest' and I've not been present at either of the two dinners. - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 04, 2005 15:42 Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Meet Judge Greer's Pastor  

[TruthTalk] Fw: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: Lance Muir Sent: April 04, 2005 20:09 Subject: Fictitous interview with Karl Barth From: http://rclough.blogspot.com/2005/04/interview-with-barth-on-inerrancy-of_01.htmlStudent: Professor Barth, welcome to the University. I came to g

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk] Eternal Judgment

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
I believe it was GKChesterton who used the 'wax nose' metaphor ('The interpretation of any text depends to a large extent on the kind of commitment we have to its content'). I believe that you Dave, along with the rest of us continue to exhibit the aptness of the figure of speech..   - O

Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way not " loving"?

2005-04-05 Thread Lance Muir
'They' are, in reality, saying/meaning what you've ascribed to them. Their hearts are more gracious than their words, however. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 05, 2005 01:57 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Narrow way no

Re: [TruthTalk] Correction to Grace post -- JD to Judy

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 02:41:18 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 4/4/2005 11:27:01 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: these are presented to us in scripture as subsitutes for sacrifical offering.   "Now where there is forgiveness  of these things

Re: [TruthTalk] Legalism

2005-04-05 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 5 Apr 2005 02:26:11 EDT [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JudyThe reason why I asked the question; the reason why you can't come up with any scripture in answer to my specific question;    I came up with plenty of scripture JD and could post many more but it would be a waste of