Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Smiles From The Bible

2005-05-04 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Who was the shortest man in the Bible? Bildad the Shuhite. My dad's (may he rest in peace) favourite Bible joke. Debbie -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.InnGlory.org If you do no

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote:   . We know Proverbs is a collection of wise sayings but not literal promises we get to hold God to. We know Psalms is Israel's songbook and it contains some pretty raw things said against their enemies and that we're not allowed to pray or think same w

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-04 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: New documentary:'Noam Chomsky-Rebel Without a Pause'.It is difficult for one NOT to agree with much of his assessment regarding that decaying system to the south of Canada.   == Never heard of him or h

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-04 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: Lance, aren’t you working at the bookstore a bit late tonight? What the heck is everybody doing up in the middle of the night??? Izzy   Dark phase of the moon.  It has a powerful effect on lunar ticks. :) Terry

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 03, 2005 10:12 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible DAVEH:  Then does it concern you at all to post his conclusions when they may be based on assumptions to which you do not subscribe?Lance

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-04 Thread Kevin Deegan
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RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible   I'm nuts!   - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 04, 2005 04:48 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Bo

RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
I’m not sure that’s something you should be doing at all.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 3:47 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-04 Thread Lance Muir
Sent: May 04, 2005 05:03 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 Only for confused theologians.    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:56 AMTo: Trut

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-04 Thread Lance Muir
I'm nuts!   - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 04, 2005 04:48 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible Lance, aren’t you working a

RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Only for confused theologians.    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, May 04, 2005 2:56 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1   In his course 'Bib

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-04 Thread Lance Muir
glory.org Sent: May 03, 2005 22:16 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 The lessons it teaches are true.  One must first look for the possibility that each word/phrase means exactly what it says, barring obvious parables and illustrations. The simp

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Smiles From The Bible

2005-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
, May 04, 2005 2:47 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Smiles From The Bible Oh, Blaine--I can't take any more corny jokes~~can't you post a warning??? :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTE

RE: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible   I both like and agree with some of what I've read from every TT participant. The operative word? 'some'. Do you not approach TT in the same fashion. Do you not approach the LDS in t

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Smiles From The Bible

2005-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
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Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-04 Thread Lance Muir
--- From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 04, 2005 02:11 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible DAVEH:  Sorry 'bout that, Lance.  Let me try it again.  You posted negative material relating to the

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
They moult.  Like my Sheltie.  Sheesh is right! Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 11:05 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1   :-) I have a cat

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-04 Thread ShieldsFamily
Not a problem for me.  Shouldn’t be for a poet like yourself. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 8:57 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-03 Thread Dave Hansen
k] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible DAVEH:  Then does it concern you at all to post his conclusions when they may be based on assumptions to which you do not subscribe? Lance Muir wrote: Presently, I do not. - Ori

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Judy Taylor
Depends who does the inspiring and writing; some poetry is darkness, Biblical poetry is light...   On Tue, 3 May 2005 20:56:50 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: in your view now, poetry is the 'simplest approach' to the truth?   On Tue, 3 May 2005 21:16:08 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Caroline Wong
@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 5:10 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1 We had a Maine Coon for a short time.  It was so big it was destructive--as it prowled the house at night we would hear things crashing to the floor.  We sent him back and got

[TruthTalk] Fw: Smiles From The Bible

2005-05-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sunday is a good day for a humorous scripture quiz – Me Q. What kind of man was Boaz before he married? A. Ruthless. Q. What do they call pastors in Germany? A. German Shepherds. Q. Who was the greatest financier in the Bible? A Noah. He was floating his stock whi

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread ttxpress
in your view now, poetry is the 'simplest approach' to the truth?   On Tue, 3 May 2005 21:16:08 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: The lessons [biblical poetry] teaches are true...The simplest approach is the easiest way to ..the truth

[TruthTalk] Fw: Joke

2005-05-03 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Forwarded Message -- With hope that nobody who happens to be one of these religions is offended... Just laugh at the others. :) Joan Great decisions made by committee: regarding the simple light bulb ... 1. How many Charismatics does it take to change a light bulb? One to ch

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
muck it up by making it complex out of all proportion. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 7:37 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1   is the bible's p

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread ttxpress
is the bible's poetry literal..what makes it true?   On Mon, 2 May 2005 21:33:24 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  the Bible..isn’t true ([if not] “literal”) ..we.. believe it is [literal]?  Does it take “research” to rationalize justification for not believing it

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-03 Thread Lance Muir
You lost me. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 03, 2005 10:12 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible DAVEH:  Then does it concern you at all to post his conclusions

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-03 Thread Dave Hansen
02:27 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible DAVEH:  Lance, do you (agreeing with the author's assumptions below) believe Jesus did not speak the words of Mk 15-18 as mentioned below?   - Original Message -

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Kevin Deegan
Translation: Lance does not know the Truth Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lance Muir wrote:  You are obviously operating with the belief that truth can be reduced to certainty. As to some things (this perhaps being one of those things) it cannot.==

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote:  You are obviously operating with the belief that truth can be reduced to certainty. As to some things (this perhaps being one of those things) it cannot. == Could you elaborate on th

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Terry Clifton
Caroline Wong wrote: Hi Terry;   I was surprised when I found out that hard-core young earth creationists also believed in evolution. They believe that God created one type of each animal and they evolved into different species. (ex. one elephant which later became 2 (or more?)

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Lance Muir
I'm actually not surprised, Judy. You write with care and, considerable thought. - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 03, 2005 07:38 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] RE: [Trut

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Tue, 3 May 2005 06:14:38 -0400 "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You are obviously operating with the belief that truth can be reduced to certainty. As to some things (this perhaps being one of those things) it cannot.Unlike a house of cards mentality (if you remove one ca

RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
I’d rather not impair it at all. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Watts can be correct (or incorrect) and trusting the Scriptures does not need to be severely impaired.

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-03 Thread ShieldsFamily
Coons are half raccoon! Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Caroline Wong Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 12:43 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1   Hi Terry;   I was surprised when I found out

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-03 Thread Lance Muir
Presently, I do not. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk Sent: May 03, 2005 02:27 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible DAVEH:  Lance, do you (agreeing with the author's assumptions below) believe Jesus di

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-05-02 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  Lance, do you (agreeing with the author's assumptions below) believe Jesus did not speak the words of Mk 15-18 as mentioned below?   - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: Lance Muir Sent: April 22, 2005 21:27 Subject: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bi

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-02 Thread Caroline Wong
uited to North American weather. The early settlers thought a cat must have mated with raccoons, hence the name.   Love,   Caroline   - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Monday, May 02, 2005 7:23 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw:

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
Reminds me of playing “telephone” as a kid—repeat a message enough times and in the end the message bears no resemblance to the original. Izzy     I'll shut up now, I think I've used up my Concatenative Licence.    Debbie

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-02 Thread ShieldsFamily
Just as I thought: another Bible as metaphor thingy.  (Just why I didn’t waste time reading it.) Izzy    Since the best metaphor available is the king/god who builds and decorates his temple/palace and then graces it with his image (and Watts draws attention to some of the spe

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-02 Thread ttxpress
i'll send you a replacement license--mine:)     On Mon, 2 May 2005 19:52:23 -0400 "Debbie Sawczak" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: || ..I think I've used up my Concatenative Licence. 

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-02 Thread Terry Clifton
Debbie Sawczak wrote: Stab at summary (2 paragraphs, 300 wds):   Every language has markers hinting at the kind of text, what its point is, and what structures to expect, both in speaking and writing. But these markers hitch a ride on words and sentences and their arrangement. W

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Rikk Watts on Genesis 1

2005-05-02 Thread ttxpress
perhaps, though someone read it 'as is', one could summarize it and link us to it effectively--thx  tt :: moderator   On Mon, 2 May 2005 08:08:46 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:  [re:] wordy excerpts.  (Too long!) Izzy  

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

2005-05-01 Thread Caroline Wong
ginal Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture You too? We can always return to DV. - Original Me

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

2005-05-01 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Well, you know why it's so quiet on TT all of a sudden,  don't you?   - Original Message - From: Caroline Wong To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 4:46 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farew

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

2005-05-01 Thread Debbie Sawczak
You too? We can always return to DV. - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture Actually, I'm 'b

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

2005-05-01 Thread Lance Muir
Actually, I'm 'bout to use up the alphabet! - Original Message - From: Debbie Sawczak To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 01, 2005 14:19 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture Everybody ne

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

2005-05-01 Thread Debbie Sawczak
Everybody needs Plan B!   Debbie   - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 2:02 PM Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture The NYTimes reported a year or two back

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

2005-05-01 Thread Lance Muir
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: May 01, 2005 13:41 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture They take pretty good care of their lawns, houses, cars, fingernails, and RRSPs too.   I think the imminent and total destruction of the earth (according to

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

2005-05-01 Thread Debbie Sawczak
e not premil dispensationalists ought to be asking ourselves whether we are doing any better at caring for the earth.    Debbie   - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Sunday, May 01, 2005 11:51 AM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] F

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

2005-05-01 Thread ttxpress
'dualism' entails worshippng two opposite deities as equals; e.g. 'any moment rapturists' pouring money into institutional church/monument/cathedrals to function as worship art (to worship) in perpetuity (for centuries to come)   On Sun, 01 May 2005 08:46:36 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROT

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

2005-05-01 Thread Lance Muir
nt: May 01, 2005 09:46 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture Lance Muir wrote:   - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: Lance Muir Sent: April 30, 2005 18:35 Subject: NT Wright - Farew

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

2005-05-01 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote:   - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: Lance Muir Sent: April 30, 2005 18:35 Subject: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture Farewell to the Rapture (N.T. Wright, Bible Review, August 2001.  Reproduced by permission o

[TruthTalk] Fw: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture

2005-05-01 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: Lance Muir Sent: April 30, 2005 18:35 Subject: NT Wright - Farewell to the Rapture Farewell to the Rapture(N.T. Wright, Bible Review, August 2001.  Reproduced by permission of the author) Little did Paul know how his colorful meta

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-28 Thread Debbie Sawczak
An honour, sir.   Debbie     - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2005 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance > Debbie, yet again, I stand corrected.  Thanks for helpin

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-28 Thread David Miller
Debbie, yet again, I stand corrected. Thanks for helping me think out my word choices a little better. Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, that you may know how you ought to answer every man." (Colossians 4:6) http://www.Inn

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-28 Thread Debbie Sawczak
  > Debbie wrote:>> ... it's transformed that our bodies will be, not>> "discarded".> > Good point, but doesn't transformation of this sort truly imply a discarding > of our bodies?    DS: No. Except in a somewhat strained sense of discarding "the way our bodies were". It is quite hard to e

Re: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-28 Thread Lance Muir
No, I am not. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 28, 2005 10:27 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance > Lance wrote: > > Am I to understand you to be saying that Paul > > believed and tau

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-28 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > Am I to understand you to be saying that Paul > believed and taught what we have come to define > as 'classic dualism'? Of course. Are you just now "hearing" this from me? Peace be with you. David Miller. -- "Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with salt, tha

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-28 Thread Lance Muir
Am I to understand you to be saying that Paul believed and taught what we have come to define as 'classic dualism'? - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 28, 2005 06:26 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance &g

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-28 Thread David Miller
Debbie wrote: > ... it's transformed that our bodies will be, not > "discarded". Good point, but doesn't transformation of this sort truly imply a discarding of our bodies? The caterpillar that transforms into a butterfly might be said to be discarding his previous body. Think about it. The p

RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-27 Thread ShieldsFamily
Judy and I thank you. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2005 1:30 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance   Why is it, someone asks, that the two best

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-27 Thread Lance Muir
@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 27, 2005 14:29 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance David wrote: > But this is ultimately what we all should be looking forward to, the day > when our bodies are discarded for new ones, built in the image of Christ, > according to his new re

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-27 Thread Debbie Sawczak
David wrote: > But this is ultimately what we all should be looking forward to, the day > when our bodies are discarded for new ones, built in the image of Christ, > according to his new resurrected glory.    Absolutely anticipating that Day (read on below), although it's transformed that o

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-27 Thread Kevin Deegan
Put me on that list also Lance!   Lance? Lance?   Lance? Where did you go? David Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Lance wrote:> Take care, David, when saying 'If Christianity> was not...' Jonathan being correct excludes> neither you nor Izzy.You don't get it, L

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-27 Thread David Miller
Debbie wrote: > I think some of us conservative-type believers on TT > dwell on God's love for the disobedient because we've > experienced a severe neglect of this in our own conservative > circles. Perhaps the other conservative-type believers have > seen a terrible neglect of teaching about how C

[TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-27 Thread Judy Taylor
Lance, I would like to be able to agree with you and Jonathan about this man's teaching but from where I sit it is downright dangerous.  His Good News is all God and none of us.  So is this in line with the clear teaching of God's Word?  I understand he is a super smart theologian but I can n

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-26 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH:  I think I can agree with you on all you've posted below, Kevin.   That leads to the next question Is 100% of what is found in any specific edition of the Bible God's words? ...and, a follow up question to perpend Is 100% of what God wants us to know found in the Bible

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Debbie Sawczak Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:37 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance   Your question, Izzy, recalls one that was asked a while ago, namely, Why are we so polarized on TT? It's because w

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-26 Thread Debbie Sawczak
o imply that we could/should get rid of our bodies.     - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 9:06 AM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance Why is it that liberal-type believers only dwell on God

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Courtesy of KFalls Barbie, a Jokester

2005-04-26 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Subject: GETTING OLD AIN' T FOR SISSIES A couple in their nineties are both having problems remembering things. They decide to go to the doctor for a checkup. The doctor tells them that they're physically okay, but they might want to start writing things down to help

[TruthTalk] Fw: Courtesy of KFalls Barbie, a Jokester

2005-04-26 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: GETTING OLD AIN' T FOR SISSIES A couple in their nineties are both having problems remembering things. They decide to go to the doctor for a checkup. The doctor tells them that they're physically okay, but they might want to start writing things down to help them remember. Late

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-26 Thread Kevin Deegan
God is 100% right God's judgements are 100% right All that issues from God is 100% right God's words are 100% right since they are His very words and issue from Him. The question is where would one find his word? Hint KJVDave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: DAVEH: ButWere the translators 100

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-26 Thread Kevin Deegan
right,> > and if we believe it and do it that's all we need. God is correct > 100% of> > the time.  Izzy> >> > -Original Message-> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance > Muir> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-26 Thread Kevin Deegan
hieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: Sent: April 25, 2005 11:22Subject: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24> 100% Sincerity won't get anyone anywhere with God. The Bible is 100%right,> and if we believe it and do it that's all we need. God is co

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-26 Thread Kevin Deegan
So what church are you in?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: April 25, 2005 08:36Subject: Caroline's Blog April 24> > April 24, 2005> > > the church of 80% sincerity> > The Church of

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread David Miller
Lance wrote: > Take care, David, when saying 'If Christianity > was not...' Jonathan being correct excludes > neither you nor Izzy. You don't get it, Lance. If Jonathan is correct about Christianity, then please exclude me from it. I don't WANT to be part of it. Or does your theology give me n

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: DM:Take care, David, when saying 'If Christianity was not...' Jonathan being correct excludes neither you nor Izzy. === IF Jonathan were correct, it would exclude nobody, but that's a big IF. -- "Let your sp

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread Lance Muir
OK - Original Message - From: Terry Clifton To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 26, 2005 11:05 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism Lance Muir wrote:    - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread Lance Muir
DM:Take care, David, when saying 'If Christianity was not...' Jonathan being correct excludes neither you nor Izzy. - Original Message - From: "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: April 26, 2005 11:06 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread David Miller
Jonathan wrote: > Holy Gnosticism Batman! There is not even a hint > of Christianity in Izzy's response above. LOL. Lance, you need to tell Jonathan to study his Bible a little closer. If Christianity was not as Izzy described, I would want no part of Christianity. Give me Christ instead. Ro

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote:    - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: Lance Muir Sent: April 26, 2005 10:15 Subject: Gnosticism Why is it that liberal-type believers only dwell on God's love for the disobedient, whereas the conservative-type belie

[TruthTalk] Fw: Gnosticism

2005-04-26 Thread Lance Muir
ï   - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: Lance Muir Sent: April 26, 2005 10:15 Subject: Gnosticism Why is it that liberal-type believers only dwell on God's love for the disobedient, whereas the conservative-type believers dwell upon God's deliverance from sin and victory

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-26 Thread ShieldsFamily
om from the flesh is freedom indeed! J Izzy   -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Tuesday, April 26, 2005 4:05 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance     - Original Message - From: "

[TruthTalk] Fw: Torrance

2005-04-26 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 25, 2005 19:38 Subject: Torrance > I know I sent this to you a few weeks ago but it is so good I am sending > it again. > > JBH > > “The covenant between God and Israel was

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
As Kevin says, not the translators of the Pervert Bibles. :-) Izzy -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dave Hansen Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 6:31 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog Apr

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-25 Thread Dave Hansen
DAVEH: ButWere the translators 100% correct? ShieldsFamily wrote: 100% Sincerity won't get anyone anywhere with God. The Bible is 100% right, and if we believe it and do it that's all we need. God is correct 100% of the time. Izzy -- ~~~ Dave Hansen [EMAIL PROTECTED] http:/

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-25 Thread Terry Clifton
Lance Muir wrote: - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 25, 2005 08:36 Subject: Caroline's Blog April 24 April 24, 2005 the church of 80% sincerity The Church of 80% Sincerity was fo

RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24     I've wondered about this also Izzy; and 100% sincerity won't count for much if one is 100% deceived as Eve was.  Paul was concerned lest the Corinthians minds should be corrupted away from the simplicity that is in Chr

RE: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24 IMO many unbelievers find the absolute certainty of evangelicals rather offputting. I'm now speaking of some of those areas where there exists some latitude. - Original Message - From: "ShieldsFamily" &l

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-25 Thread Judy Taylor
---Original Message-> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lance > Muir> > Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 7:19 AM> > To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org> > Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24> >> >> >

Re: [Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-25 Thread Lance Muir
[Bulk] RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24 > So that's where Sincerity fills the gap? I don't think so. And why is it > that you SO overemphasize our inability to grasp the meaning of scripture. > That is not something to major on IMO. Izzy > >

RE: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
Lance Muir Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:26 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24 I've always believed you to be sincere, even when wrong. You do understand that every one of us is wrong about some things vis a vis our reading of

Re: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-25 Thread Lance Muir
5 11:22 Subject: [Bulk] RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24 > 100% Sincerity won't get anyone anywhere with God. The Bible is 100% right, > and if we believe it and do it that's all we need. God is correct 100% of > the time. Izzy > > -Original Message-

RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-25 Thread ShieldsFamily
l 25, 2005 7:19 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24 - Original Message - From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 25, 2005 08:36 Subject: Car

[TruthTalk] Fw: Caroline's Blog April 24

2005-04-25 Thread Lance Muir
- Original Message - From: "Jonathan Hughes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Lance Muir" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: April 25, 2005 08:36 Subject: Caroline's Blog April 24 > > April 24, 2005 > > > the church of 80% sincerity > > The Church of 80% Sincerity was founded by David Roch

[TruthTalk] Fw: This Week's Sermon

2005-04-24 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: Lance Muir Sent: April 24, 2005 08:03 Subject: This Week's Sermon 1 Peter 2:1-10 Rid yourselves, therefore, of all malice, and all guile, insincerity, envy, and all slander.  2 Like newborn infants, long for the pure, spiritual milk

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-04-23 Thread Lance Muir
No. - Original Message - From: Kevin Deegan To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: April 23, 2005 08:06 Subject: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible Do much reading of Atheist sites Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-04-23 Thread Kevin Deegan
Do much reading of Atheist sites Lance?Lance Muir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:   - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: Lance Muir Sent: April 22, 2005 21:27 Subject: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible The Book of Mormon and the King James Version (1999) Curt van den Heuvel   In

[TruthTalk] Fw: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible

2005-04-23 Thread Lance Muir
  - Original Message - From: Jonathan Hughes To: Lance Muir Sent: April 22, 2005 21:27 Subject: Book of Mormon and the KJV Bible The Book of Mormon and the King James Version (1999) Curt van den Heuvel   Introduction The King James Version of the Bible is, in all likelihood, the mo

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