DAVEH: You are tougher than this old tired Mormon boy!
Kevin Deegan wrote:
BTWGive me a hint, KevinHow do you have
so much time to post so much? Do you get by an a half hour sleep at
night??? :-\
The things of God are my passion. AND I am a geek. I won't tell
you that in the
Well you said you were not satisfied with the oneness answers, so I did my level best to answer you. Just curious if I even am on the radar.
BTWGive me a hint, KevinHow do you have so much time to post so much? Do you get by an a half hour sleep at night??? :-\
The things of God are
DAVEH: I'd like to comment on that and about a dozen other posts
sitting in my TT inbox, but I simply need to get some sleep at night.
AndI'm leaving town tomorrow for a few days, and then next week
promises to be hectic, inasmuch as I have a Japanese contingent coming
for the best part o
Kevin Deegan wrote:
Jesus is the ONLY Begotten son
I can not agree with your understanding of literal as defined
herein.
DAVEH: ??? I thought the question would be the meaning of
begat/begotten. Is there some thought in your mind about the meaning
of literal? From
Websters
No comment Dave?Kevin Deegan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
DAVEH says: nor does he discuss to my satisfaction the oneness of God as it applies to man as found in Jn 17:21.
JN 17:21, Speaks of the INDWELLING of God IN His people. Notice also it says "ONE IN" JN 17:21 That they all may be one; as th
Jesus is the ONLY Begotten son
I can not agree with your understanding of literal as defined herein.
DAVEH: Do you think Jesus could have done what he did as God IF he did not have a physical body?
When did Jesus become a god? After his ressurection? Or at his birth when he recieved a body? How
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH: They could be spirit children of God, either
literally or adopted. But that would different than one who is a
physically begotten son. I do not recall Scripture referring to spirit
children as being begotten. Do you recall such
So one can be a physically
DAVEH: They could be spirit children of God, either literally or adopted. But that would different than one who is a physically begotten son. I do not recall Scripture referring to spirit children as being begotten. Do you recall such
So one can be a physically begotten spirit? Another a Spirit
DAVEH says: nor does he discuss to my satisfaction the oneness of God as it applies to man as found in Jn 17:21.
JN 17:21, Speaks of the INDWELLING of God IN His people. Notice also it says "ONE IN" JN 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art IN me, and I IN thee, that they also may
Kevin Deegan wrote:
DAVEH: Thanx for the load Kevin, but you did seemingly
overlook one aspect of my post. So, do you agree with the author that
Jesus is not the literal Son of God???
IN LDS Theology: If Jesus is the "Literal" Son of God, what is
the difference between me & Him?
DAVEH: I also find it curious that the author does not discuss the plural meaning of Elohim, nor does he address some key passages such as Mt 5:48 nor does he discuss to my satisfaction the oneness of God as it applies to man as found in Jn 17:21. Likewise, he doesn't address the nature of the Go
DAVEH: Thanx for the load Kevin, but you did seemingly overlook one aspect of my post. So, do you agree with the author that Jesus is not the literal Son of God???
IN LDS Theology: If Jesus is the "Literal" Son of God, what is the difference between me & Him?
Are all other sons of God NOT liter
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
DAVEH: Pretty funny stuff coming from a guy who admits to not
understanding the Trinity, Perry!
Dave, you are playing a little loose with me here. I understnd the Trinity
in the context in which it is presented in the Bible...I do not understand
the aspects
;t it?
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DAVEH: Whew! That is a lot of stuff, Perry. After reading through
it thou
hTalk] Hows does this Mormon concept work
Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:18:52 -0700
DAVEH: Whew! That is a lot of stuff, Perry. After reading through
it though, I find much I'd dispute, starting with...
*G-3: Jesus is clearly not the Son of God in a literal se
DAVEH: Thanx for the load Kevin, but you did seemingly overlook one
aspect of my post. So, do you agree with the author that Jesus is not
the literal Son of God???
And since you don't like the one in purpose suggestion,
perhaps you can explain how we can be one with God as Jesus is
one
DAVEH: oneness of God as it applies to man as found in Jn 17:21
I have inserted the LDS understanding of ONE "IN PURPOSE" into the passage.
Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one "IN PURPOSE"; as thou, Father, art i
Methinks your mormon brainwashing is getting in the way of your
understanding.
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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2005 07:18:52 -0700
no act of procreation with a spiritual wife,
no spirit baby offspring. Stick with the text, Dave.
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date: Mon, 11 Apr 200
Persons who disagree with us, not surprisingly,
tend NOT to discuss/explain to our satisfaction. Curious, isn't
it?
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To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org
Sent: April 11, 2005 10:18
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DAVEH: Whew! That is a lot of stuff, Perry. After reading through
it though, I find much I'd dispute, starting with...
G-3: Jesus is clearly not the Son of God in a literal sense, i.e.,
He was not physically procreated by
God
As you might suspect Perry, I do believe Jesus is
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
DavidH wrote:
... After pondering all that, I do find it curious that you would
claim Mormons believe a different Jesus than is found in the Bible.
Ponder this:
The Jesus of the bible is God incarnate...not another or different god.
(See Jo
DavidH wrote:
... After pondering all that, I do find it curious that you would claim
Mormons believe a different Jesus than is found in the Bible.
Ponder this:
The Jesus of the Bible is not the brother of Satan, a fallen archangel.
The Jesus of the Bible is not the son of a man-come-god from th
In a message dated 4/9/2005 4:32:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Contrast that to your perspective of believing in a Triune God that at the insistence of a non Christian political figure was defined by a group of religious people with diverse opinions of doctrines several ce
The subject here is the secterian doctrine of the Trinity . . . see my
comments after Dave's . . . who is writing to a person affiliated with the
street Preachers who descend on Salt Lake City every Mormon Conference . . .
Blaine
DavidH wrote:
DAVEH: HmLet me see if I understand
Dave,
I know where you stand and I know where you stand. Lets let it go, okay?
DAVEH: While you continue to criticize me for believing LDS doctrine?
If you have more to say, let it fly. But, at this time, though, I do not.
Perry
--
"Let your speech be always with grace, seasoned with sal
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
There must be a resolution to this apparent
dilemma.
DAVEH: What dilemma? If you can be one with
God, Perry. Why can't Jesus be one with his Father in Heaven. That
would make 3 separate entities that
From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
There must be a resolution to this apparent dilemma.
DAVEH: What dilemma? If you can be one with God, Perry. Why can't Jesus
be one with his Father in Heaven. That would make 3 separate entities that
are one with each other.
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave,
Let's be fair here. Private conversations with your comrades, whether
in the temple or without, is a bit different than what the temple
endowmwents contain. I do not ask you what you pray, or to whom you
pray. I do not ask you about a personal conversa
-- "David Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Blaine wrote:
> ... the Eastern Orthodox Church has more members/adherants than
> Protestantism and Catholicism combined. They just never got into
> all the apostasy of the Western Churches, therefore are closer
> to original doctrines. ... Before yo
DavidM wrote:
By the way, I agree with your argument that believers partake of the divine
nature. I think your argument would be stronger by appealing to Scripture
rather than the Eastern Orthodox tradition.
2 Peter 1:4
(4) Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises: that
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Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2005 01:48:58 GMT
-- "Charles Perry Locke" wrote:
Gee, another heretical sect.
BLAINE: OoooH! Your ignorance and narrowness are showing, Perry--the
Eastern Orthodox Church has more members/adherants
Blaine wrote:
> ... the Eastern Orthodox Church has more members/adherants than
> Protestantism and Catholicism combined. They just never got into
> all the apostasy of the Western Churches, therefore are closer
> to original doctrines. ... Before you write more to condemn that
> which you OBVIOUS
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> Gee, another heretical sect.
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Gee, another heretical sect.
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Gee, another heretical sect.
From: "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Charles Perry Locke wrote: And,
with the help of the
Holy Spirit and a handful of spirit filled and inspired individuals in the
church. When that occurs, Dave, be sure you are on the side of the Holy
Spirit.
Perry
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When that occurs, Dave, be sure you are on the side of the Holy
Spirit.
Perry
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Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 07:24:46 -0700
Charl
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Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 00:07:32 -0700
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave, I am honest with my responses to you. It is not hypocritical
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Date: Wed, 06 Apr 2005 00:07:32 -0700
Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave, I am honest with my responses to you. It is not hypocritical for me
to ask for a prooftext. If you asked me the wife/dog question I wou
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Charles Perry Locke wrote:
Dave, I do not want to lampoon you.
ld-calling. And, since we both know you, it would give us some common
ground on which to strike up a conversation :-)
Perry
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Dat
..you certainly have an active imagination, Perry.
Perry
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Date: Tue, 05 Apr 2005 08:07:00 -0700
DAVEH: My, you do have an acti
flesh and bones and women of flesh and bones produce spirit babies...or
that men of fleash and bones conjugate with spiritual women and produce
spirit offspring.
Perry
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DAVEH: My, you do have an active imagination, Perry. Except for the
belief that God is an exalted being that has a physical body of flesh
and bone (that houses a spiritual body), which is taught by LDS
theologythe rest that you've mentioned below is pure speculation
and not supported by a
Dave (and Blaine if you are still around),
I have been wondering this for a few days, and need you help to
understand it.
The mormon god is an exalted man, of flesh and bones, right? And, he has
multiple (would you say a thousand or so?) spiritual wives, right? And, he
has sex with them (or
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