Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
no, whr did the 'observation' originate..from whom originally..when..why..if you want to, think about it and post us a trail to wander:)   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:16:13 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Where did the cruelty originate? -Original Message-From:

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
not literal stars?? interestG   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:22:17 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >a third of the stars of heaven

Re: [TruthTalk] Definition of Mormon Please

2005-01-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH, But when LDS use it, they mean 2 gods and a spirit. DAVEH: That is a bit misleading, Perry. We also consider the HS to be a God, though one without a physical body. Okay, the LDS interpret the Godhead as 3 separate gods...sorry to mislead you! And, if you are a woman, you do not get to

Re: [TruthTalk] Mormon Related Why Prophets?

2005-01-15 Thread Charles Perry Locke
DaveH, how many prophets have there been, Joseph Smith to today, and how many of them, other than Joseph Smith, have received revelation directly from the LDS god? Those would be found in the D&C, right? Perry From: Dave Hansen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org To: TruthT

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Exactly what I thought. It doesn't. I wasn't asking for an allusion.   slade   P.S Your lack of love continues to shine through with EACH of your posts. Congrats. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
How is it lack of love when I don't have time to stop and study out something you are interested in Slade. You are so busy that you complained just this morning that you didn't have time to search out some email of mine that you wanted me to clarify.  Give me a break. Some of us do have lives

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Look at the world and say this with a straight face.  Actually the world by it's own wisdom does not know God. (1 Cor 1:21) There are two kinds of wisdom Gary and the kind the world works on is not the kind that comes from God.  At best what you see out there is mixture but soon the Lord wil

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: Izzy in blue: Yes and thanks.   Wouldn't you say that salvation by grace through faith has always been the will of the Lord?   If what we see as Divine Projections  (such as Christ dying for our sins at a certain time) is, in fact, God's reality,  then sa

Re: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Slade why do I have the feeling that I am being baited here and that you are not really interested in the subjects you are wanting me to clarify for you??     On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:12:41 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Great. How does one interpret privately and how does

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth [evn common sense says wisdom is wisdom--some human thoughts and correspondg acts ain't wise, some is; e.g., do you realize that while it is true (as even handedly corroboratd, e.g., by both MShields and DBrooks last night on pub tv) that GBush lied abt the post 9-11 situation in Iraq t

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Judy told the truth,Slade.  How can the truth be demeaning?  Unless you are referring to some post other than what she wrote below, you might want to rethink your admonishment.  What she said below is historically accurate. Terry Slade Henson wrote: Perhaps you should allow Christ in

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Gary wisdom and knowledge are not the same; there is all kinds of knowledge out there and even ignorance is a type of knowledge - However there are just two types of wisdom according to scripture. One that is pure, peaceable, and full of good fruit and another that is earthly, sensual, and d

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:55:08 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What you cannot do, IMO, Judy, is take events out of Abraham's life and use them to contradict what was said.    And what was said?   That his faith was reckon as righteousness.   What does that look like?   You have scripture on

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Gregory A. Hession J.D. wrote:       One of the most consistently frustrating things about Christians is that we seem far more keen on making sure everyone around us is properly beat over the head with the truth, often with bile and anger, than in living out the life exemplified b

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth (while jt constructs false wisdom, truth is a mystery acceptably addressd only by certain cultic notions in play here, e.g., those strictures oft 're-fueld and embellishd' by DavidM)   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:12:27 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Judy told the truth,

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
so what? false distinctions foil progressive discussion/s--TT has become decisively Evangelical; we aren't here establishing a personal cultic tradition for you   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:21:37 -0500 Judy Taylor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Gary wisdom and knowledge are not the same

RE: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
You and I hardly agree. Why is that? One post in about 200 I can agree with. Perhaps you're not curious. I am. This is a highly unusual phenomenon. How is it that I get along with Izzy (most of the time), yet she seems to be a lapdog to your doctrine? That, also, makes no sense to me. David

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
  On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 11:13:53 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: This is not the case, Judy  --   at least not by me or Bill   --  two of your favoite digs.    jt: Not so John - You and Bill are two of the worst. All of the accusations concerning hypocrisy and plagiarism are not that far into t

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
I am speaking [historically] of Judy's posts. -Original Message-From: Terry CliftonSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 13.12Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!Judy told the truth,Slade.  How can the truth be demeaning?  Unless you are referring to some post other than what s

[TruthTalk] Vile language

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Thank you for your comments on the vile language,David. If it is not appropriate in mixed company or around children, then it certainly is not appropriate for Christian conversation. That is a part of the person I once was, that the Lord in His mercy delivered me from, and the farther I can s

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Gary IMO you have your own unique "poetic tradition" and so long as you understand I'm fine with it. Don't worry - I'm under no delusion about anyone here establishing anything for me.     On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 12:46:00 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: so what? false distinctions foil prog

RE: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
WOW! Gary!! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 14.46To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International) so what? false distinctions foil

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 1/15/2005 6:14:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: jt: My belief is that God would have preferred for Adam to have stayed "in His image" and fellowshipped with Him in the garden daily but since that didn't happen, he wen

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Now that’s what I call poetry! Izzy [Debbie]  Were the chief, the most stunning of sun-eyried eagles to take up with drab and hapless crows— shabby, small, squabbling with each other, living by petty thievery yet terrified of scarecrows, of straw men in fields— and if he beca

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Wow, Slade.  Did you speak this as Moderator? How unkind and untrue IMO.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 8:55 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!   Perhaps

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Then Slade if you are going to accuse me publicly, you need to find these posts with the mean and demeaning talk from me so that I may examine them because I honestly don't know what you are talking about.  jht   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:56:59 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

RE: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk Conference hosted by Dave Hansen?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Let’s do it!!! (POOR DaveH!!!) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of David Miller Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:05 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk Conference hosted by Dave Hansen?   DAVEH wrote:  

[TruthTalk] Vile language

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
  From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Thank you for your comments on the vile language,David.  If it is not appropriate in mixed company or around children, then it certainly is not appropriate for Christian conversation.  That is a part of the person I once was, that the Lord in His merc

RE: [TruthTalk] Role of Law - of God or otherwise

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
ShieldsFamily wrote: Slade, I agree that DaveH is a kindly person of exemplary manners—his words are always loving.  However, is it loving to try to evangelize others to a damning religion? DAVEH:  Are you serious..Do you really believe I'm evangelizing on TT, Izzy?   Yes, if

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
Jeff Powers wrote: jeff in red - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:40 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! T

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
I agree Terry, I haven't forgotten Jeff and I love him also.  judyt   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 13:57:39 -0500 Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Jeff Powers wrote: jeff in red - Original Message - From: Judy Taylor T

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
Yeah, right between Genesis and Exodis, er, or something like that.   Gregory A. Hession J.D.[EMAIL PROTECTED]Springfield, Mass. - Original Message - From: Dave Hansen To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 12:29 PM Subject: Re: [Trut

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Greg, that sounded wonderful.  (Are you SURE you’re a lawyer??? J ) I think “living lives radiated by love and wisdom” also includes not taking offense easily against those who meant none.  Not losing our tempers when we aren’t always agreed with.  Not blaming others when we do. Izzy  

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
Judy, I am not sure what your point is below.   Apparently the problem was with Abraham's wife.   The fact is, Abraham could do nothing about the promise apart from God's intervention.   All that was left for him was simply to believe.   THAT is the bibilical context for the statement.   It is TH

Re: [TruthTalk] TruthTalk Conference hosted by Dave Hansen?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:35:46 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you are serious, Dave, I am interested in exploring this idea.  Is anybody else interested?   Count me in.   John

Re: [TruthTalk] Ye are gods

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Dave Hansen wrote: > ... how do you explain that judges would have been > originally construed to be gods? Why not just leave > it as judges, or perhaps use another word? I see it like Perry does. These judges represented God. It is like when a U.S. Judge makes a decision, we say the U.S. says

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 15:20:02 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy, I am not sure what your point is below.   Apparently the problem was with Abraham's wife.   The fact is, Abraham could do nothing about the promise apart from God's intervention.   All that was left for him was simp

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
David, I must SO agree with JD and you regarding the “wooing of the Holy Spirit”.  I remember being about twelve years old and having such a hunger to know God. I self-consciously confided in a kind neighbor lady that I wished more than anything that I had a Bible or a picture of Jesus. She

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
    -Original Message- Judy wrote: > ... it greatly saddens me to see so little interest in > God's Word. People are so excited over the prospect > of hearing the words of Athanasius, Polyani, or whoever > their latest theological fad is, just like the people Paul > encounter

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Jeff wrote: > because you are mean-hearted and mean-spirited. > In short, nobody sees any love in what you write. > you are mean and cover it with scripture. pathetic! Please stop with the ad hominem attacks, and speak for yourself. I see plenty of love in what Judy writes. David Miller. --

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:35:54 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [Debbie] BTW, the rest of my response to John's post is at the bottom. In case people didn't scroll down all the way the first time. Debbie:   a great illustration  --   I saved it the moment it came acros

Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth [while both poetry and Prophecy are culturally conditiond, neither is confind to cult-stricturd flat dimensional excercisg in asc (autocratic self-confirmation)--both're literarily like marriage..poetically, perhaps: on public land fed by historical streams, a wonder~whatevr G-d assemb

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Why is it that G always jumps in to defend Calvin?  (His cult/political-leader???) Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 9:55 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
I am a lawyer, for better or for worse.  It is a constant matter of repentance for me to see how wicked my words are.  I believe that it is possible for a Christian to be a lawyer, and to keep his soul.   However, just as Jesus despaired of a rich man getting into the Kingdom, it ain't easy

RE: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Keep in mind I haven’t (and never will) stoop to calling someone a “prick” or an “idiot”.  You can smear me all you want, JD, but I’m not down to that level. Why don’t you get off my back? Does it make you feel better to pretend I’m as nasty as Jonathan? Does that excuse him? Keep in mind,

Re: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
    On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:52:06 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: You and I hardly agree. Why is that? One post in about 200 I can agree with.   jt: Possibly because you appear to be focused in/on tradition right now and I study God's Word  (just a guess on

RE: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Actually, two very different theologies are presented here.   "Cleanses us from sin" is a statment that declares pardon for what we do by default (sort of) as we grow and mature in the Lord's will.    "Cleanses us from sinning," besides changing the gk from a noun to a verb, allows one to t

RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Try looking up “jackass” G.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:42 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Foul Language   'myth' ain't vile??   On Sat, 15 Jan 20

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
    Thank you.  They accused Jesus of this, so it is expected that his disciples also would be accused of this.  The disciple is not above his master.  I take this comment of yours as a compliment and wear it as a badge of honor. :-)   Peace be with you. David Miller.   J I re

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Gregory A. Hession J.D.
Dear Judy:       I just arrived here, so I should be very circumspect.  However, to answer your first question below, many of the posts I have read appear to come from angry people, or people who are so painfully insecure that they must make everyone conform to their doctrinal purity.      

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
Calvin loved and followed Christ faithfully in the culture of his era--his impact on the world endures..he's not unlike, e.g., Vernon Grounds in this era, anthr man you'd cherish if you could understand a little bit about him..   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:31:28 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PRO

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
  Just a thought (it just occurred to me). We're waiting for a time when all Israel will be saved. Could it be that Messiah's death is the sacrifice delivered once for all Israel... a communal sacrifice like the Yom Kippur service?   -- slade Only if we ALL die, Slade.

Re: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
jackass is vile, myth is not??   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:44:47 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Try looking up “jackass” G.   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 10:42

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
I think she read between the insults. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade Henson Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:15 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   If you don't understand most of

RE: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Thanks for answering my question. Now I understand what you mean by "private Interpretation."   -- slade

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Something I'm gonna stop doing as well.   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of ShieldsFamilySent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 15.54To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian? I thi

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Funny, Jeff, that’s exactly how you sound to me, below. Why the outbreak of hatefulness lately on TT??? Why the obscenities and backbiting?  Has satan just loosed another batch of demons for the end times? I see a LOT of love in what Judy writes, so that makes at least one of us. Even if th

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Terry Clifton
ShieldsFamily wrote: David, I must SO agree with JD and you regarding the “wooing of the Holy Spirit”.  I remember being about twelve years old and having such a hunger to know God. I self-consciously confided in a kind neighbor lady that I wished more than anything tha

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth/derogatoryspeculation   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:53:37 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I think she read between the insults. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Slade HensonSent: Saturday, January 15, 20

RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
I saw it as an insult to Judy. It surely did not edify her. Izzy -Original Message- Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language I disagree with all of your opinions as well as the taboo nature of the idiom "piss an vinegar." However, I agree with the Biblical quote you gave of 1 Cor 8:9. This

[TruthTalk] Taboo?!??

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
A visiting minister waxed eloquent during the offertory prayer. "DearLord," he began, with arms extended toward heaven and a rapturous look onhis upturned face. "Without you we are but dust. . . "He would have continued but at that moment the daughter of an elder (whowas listening!) leaned o

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Certainly satan’s fall was not “Plan A”—neither was the fall of Man. As you say, Judy, it is the inevitable consequence of allowing Free Will. Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:22 AM To: TruthTalk@

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Don’t worry, Jeff.  I think Greg is probably able to wrestle words/ideas capably w/o taking personal offense. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Powers Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:32 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re:

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
ROFL!   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Judy Taylor Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:34 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Cc: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!   Thanks for your 2 cents Jeff, I'll have to p

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
no kidding, G, nomatter how garbled….izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:43 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?   myth ('speech' is v revealin

RE: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
How odd, Kay.  I remember you posting it; not David M.  Please re-post your “quote” of DM.  Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:45 AM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fo

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Correction performed off-forum by the [struggling] moderator. -Original Message- From: David Miller Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 15.30 Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News! Please stop with the ad hominem attacks, and speak for yourself. I see plenty of love in what Judy writes. -

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Do you believe the fall occurred before the creation of the world? Did the angelic host come into existence before Genesis 1:1 (so to speak)? The highlight text below is what prompted my question.   -- slade From: Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 11:22 AMSu

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:03 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: John Smithson wrote: >On a good day,   we are nothin like >Him, right?   Nothing. >... I am sorry, but if we do thus and so, >how close to Being Like God (Be ye >perfect as your heavenly Father is perfect) >

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
A perfect example of missing the opportunity to assume someone meant something kindly (as in I Cor 13)? Izzy     slade   P.S Your lack of love continues to shine through with EACH of your posts. Congrats. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:08 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you.  They accused Jesus of this, so it is expected that his disciples also would be accused of this.  The disciple is not above his master.  I take this comment of yours as a compliment and wear it

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
== Just a couple of thoughts here.  Unmerited grace? Absolutely!  Unconditional love?  In most cases, yes.  Unconditional forgiveness?  Absolutly not! As to the "Be perfect" thingy, I think that Jesus asked that of us just so that we could experience

RE: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
Please give us Calvin’s take on that G. J Izzy   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 1:09 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] (United Press International)   myth [evn common

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread ttxpress
myth (any post you produce from the archives, subject to assessment by any reader willing, puts your words in the best light possible, inductively; if not true, then set forth your doctrine as it is--e.g., what is your hermeneutic? so far, the archival pic is of a cultic ideology influential

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
I believe Lucifer and 1/3 of the angels fell before the foundation of the world and they now live in the 2nd heaven (or this worlds upper atmosphere).  God allowed them to access His garden in order to test A&E.     On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:13:41 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes

Re: [TruthTalk] Foul Language

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:13 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jonathan used the following: --- prick noun (plural pricks)   Huh     Lets not go there, shall we> JD   feels a big ol grin comin on   ! ! !

RE: [TruthTalk] Private Interpretation

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
    -- slade   The primary source of our [collective] problems, in case you are curious, is the sheer lack of love on this forum... (which the vassals of divisiveness do not know they are the ultimate culprits and all other sources are in direct response).   Perhaps the

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Does this jive with the idea that everything G-d finished creating on the 6th day was considered VERY GOOD?   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 16.21To: TruthTalk@mail.inn

RE: [TruthTalk] Vile language

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
From: Terry Clifton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thank you for your comments on the vile language,David.  If it is not appropriate in mixed company or around children, then it certainly is not appropriate for Christian conversation.  That is a part of the person I once was, that the Lord in Hi

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
Greg wrote: > When we stand in front of the dread judgment > seat, the test is not how well we shoved every > abstruse point of theology down the throats of > the ignorant, but how we lived the great truths > we already know, and taught the others with > mercy and peace, so as to edify the listener

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
    From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gregory A. Hession J.D. Sent: Saturday, January 15, 2005 2:36 PM To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!   I am a lawyer, for better or for worse.  It is a constant matter of repen

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:35 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Again, I ask Where does it say 1/3 of the angels fell? Isn't it somewhere near "Cleanliness is /godliness?"  JD

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Gregory A. Hession J.D. wrote:    One of the most consistently frustrating things about Christians is that we seem far more keen on making sure everyone around us is properly beat over the head with the t

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
John wrote: > The fact is, Abraham could do nothing about the > promise apart from God's intervention. All that > was left for him was simply to believe. THAT > is the bibilical context for the statement. Good point. Nevertheless, if Abraham did not cooperate and continue to have sexual rela

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 11:36:48 AM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just a couple of thoughts here.  Unmerited grace? Absolutely!  Unconditional love?  In most cases, yes.  Unconditional forgiveness?  Absolutly not! As to the "Be perfect" thingy, I think that Jesus asked that

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:29:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: - You don't think taking Isaac the son of promise and some wood for the sacrifice to Mt. Moriah in obedience to the voice of God had anything to do with Abraham's faith being counted to him for righteousness

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
    In the Sermon on the Mount,  Christ made a mountain out of a mole hill, sort ta speak.  Things are not easier, when He gets through talking  --  they are impossible.    Thus, our continual need for him. At least, that is where my mind landed after reading your post.   Good post. Jd  

Re: [TruthTalk] Bill says goodbye?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:42:50 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JD, please point out where I maligned anyoneâs motives in the discussion above.  (Hint: you canât because I didnât.) You can smear me all you want, JD   Read it and weep.  Both taken from the

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:30:52 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Judy wrote: >... it greatly saddens me to see so little interest in >God's Word. People are so excited over the prospect >of hearing the words of Athanasius, Polyani, or whoever >their latest theologi

Re: [TruthTalk] Whose Names are Written in the Lambs Book of Life?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:45:04 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thank you for clarifying your opinion.  I respectfully disagree. Izzy I love the "respectfully" part.   Seriously.  Jd

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Knpraise
In a message dated 1/15/2005 12:54:09 PM Pacific Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just a thought (it just occurred to me). We're waiting for a time when all Israel will be saved. Could it be that Messiah's death is the sacrifice delivered once for all Israel... a communal sacrifice lik

RE: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread ShieldsFamily
I just have to share with you how JOYFULL I am in the Lord right now—I am OVERCOME with a Spirit of PRAISE I  cannot stop the flow of tears of praise!!!  I can’t stop sobbing with joy!!!  HOW I BLESS THE NAME OF THE LORD.  HOW I THANK AND PRAISE HIM FOR CONDESCENDING TO BE AMONG HIS CRE

Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
    8th Grade?  No Gary the KJV is written at the 10th Grade level of course your hero Vernon Grounds is probably way above that  and probably anything not Conservative Baptist is cultish so far as you're concerned.  Sorry   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 14:20:27 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

Re: [TruthTalk] Good News!

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Praise Him, Hallelujah - Thanks for sharing Sister Izzy, I'm with you and whoever else wants to join in ... judyt   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:02:21 -0600 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: I just have to share with you how JOYFULL I am in the Lord right now—I am OVERCOME with a

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Judy Taylor
Of course why wouldn't it?  jht   On Sat, 15 Jan 2005 16:30:06 -0500 "Slade Henson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Does this jive with the idea that everything G-d finished creating on the 6th day was considered VERY GOOD?   -- slade From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMA

Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread David Miller
David Miller wrote: >> To say that the righteousness that we manifest is >> somehow inferior to God's righteousness is to denigrate >> God's righteousness (if we proclaim that we cannot be >> righteous apart from God). John wrote: > I will not address the "is to denigrate" thingy > except to say t

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Don't forget the awesome, "God helps those who help themselves."   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 16.38To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [TruthTalk] T

RE: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
If haSatan was fallen, not everything would be very good.   Now, if G-d created the angels before the creation, where do you get such an idea? -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 17.17Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Traditional Christian theology Of

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
Let me restate the question with the proper inflection   Could it be that Messiah's death is the sacrifice delivered once for all of Israel... a communal sacrifice like the Yom Kippur service?   -- slade -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

RE: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?

2005-01-15 Thread Slade Henson
You wanted an example of hatful speech. Here's an example. Shall I continue to do this or shall I shut up?   -- slade -Original Message-From: Judy TaylorSent: Saturday, 15 January, 2005 17.08Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] What is a Christian?     8th Grade?  No Gary the KJV i

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